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Wam wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:30 am vote sabrar

I have picked a side, im doing what I always say not to do and trusting boom.

*Groan* can't you pick a better side?

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:28 am Unvote; Vote: Heury

I know you're smarter than this.

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:03 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:58 pmDoes heury usually do these types of charts btw?

He has, as scum. Not technically a chart, but he tried a point system as scum and try harded. Sabrar, what do you think of this?

I've done this as both town and scum.

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:02 am

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:28 am I love you. I hope we get to chat and hang out outside the game. Anyone want to pounce on BoomFrog with me?

This post was made when there wouldn't have been time to garner enough support for a Boom elim.

One could hope.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:06 pm Unvote
Vote: EGW

I have a mechanical solve that says scum-team is {EGW, JC, Santy} by PoE.
I welcome people to argue against it either by pointing out connections or just general reasoning.
I might explain some of my observations later but providing full explanation would probably reveal too much info for scum.

I'll bite.
VOTE: EGW
EGW's play style here reminds me exactly of another player that once defended me beginning of game, then brought forth a bunch of information to get me miselim'd. And that player ended up being scum.

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:17 pm Heury has a forced tone in this game, and focuses on a chart to be helpful, something I have only seen him do as mafia, example above. He is focusing on appearing town, as he has done in Millerizer Mafia when he was scum. When he is town, he doesn't care to do so, because he doesn't feel the need to seem town.

Haha show me even one line where I ever focused on the chart.

FYI I'm out of town all week. Flying out today. I should be able to keep up with the game still but won't have as much time force appear as town.

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:42 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:39 pmCan someone link me to this alleged scumslip by sabrar? I must have missed it because I have no idea what everyone is talking about when they mention that

That was Heury's reasoning for scumreading Sabrar. I think Heury was faking that. Also, I now realize you and the whole town are being snowed by Ahippo. Now I have a strong hunch that he doesn't have a motivate as a claim at all.

so you think its scum!sab covering for scum!hippo by saying he was supported?

Whats the theory here? Ahippo crumbles under early perceived pressure before his mates can coach him and just spews a fakeclaim and now his mates have to be his cover because he doesnt actually have the supporter power? Or are you saying you think scum actually has a supporter power? And if you think does have that, do you think it has the disloyal modifier? Or weak?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:39 pmCan someone link me to this alleged scumslip by sabrar?

It was a mod-mistake, because they provided different info regarding the same topic to different players. The mod-mistake was acknowledged in thread so EGW's claim that heury was faking it is blatantly false.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:41 pmIf you have a true PoE here, why flip EGW first to check it over JC?

Vote on EGW was likely to produce more telling content, this assumption proved to be correct.

Can someone link the mod explanation of this mistake?

Bessie saying sab feels off is ominous for sure

We dont flip sab without a full claim either way, not saying hes the definitive play I need to reread bessie in full

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:46 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:42 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:39 pmCan someone link me to this alleged scumslip by sabrar? I must have missed it because I have no idea what everyone is talking about when they mention that

That was Heury's reasoning for scumreading Sabrar. I think Heury was faking that. Also, I now realize you and the whole town are being snowed by Ahippo. Now I have a strong hunch that he doesn't have a motivate as a claim at all.

so you think its scum!sab covering for scum!hippo by saying he was supported?

Whats the theory here? Ahippo crumbles under early perceived pressure before his mates can coach him and just spews a fakeclaim and now his mates have to be his cover because he doesnt actually have the supporter power? Or are you saying you think scum actually has a supporter power? And if you think does have that, do you think it has the disloyal modifier? Or weak?

I think Ahippo claimed Motivator, and ignored your advice to claim that he targetted Sabrar. He didn't actually get motivated, he's confirming it to have us believe Ahippo is the role he claims to be. So yes, the underlined is what I'm saying.

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:42 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:39 pmCan someone link me to this alleged scumslip by sabrar? I must have missed it because I have no idea what everyone is talking about when they mention that

That was Heury's reasoning for scumreading Sabrar. I think Heury was faking that. Also, I now realize you and the whole town are being snowed by Ahippo. Now I have a strong hunch that he doesn't have a motivate as a claim at all.

Sabrar claimed that we all knew mafia had fake claims then I asked the mods and they said could not comment. That's when I voted sabrar. However mods corrected and openly shared there are fake claims. I know we shouldn't read into this further but secretly I'm now town reading sabrar interpreting it as a mod slip.

Mod: https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=85797#p85797

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:49 pm Bessie saying sab feels off is ominous for sure

We dont flip sab without a full claim either way, not saying hes the definitive play I need to reread bessie in full

We can flip Heury. Sabrar's vote on me is weird, timing wise. He asked for a case, but does that instead of waiting to see what I can show him.

EGW do we really think scum!sab volunteers to be tethered to hippos mistake? Assuming its 3 team scum and 1 indy why wouldnt the other mate do it?

Obviously there could be uneven distribution of scum PRs and sab could be the weakest but clearly he can do something regardless of alignment per moody

Ah ok yeah thats an awkward mod mistake for sure hmmmmm

Personally Im of the opinion we dont flip sab here, let him do his supported night and assuming he survives the night he full claims everything tomorrow

bessie's points on me: https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=84861#p84861
My reply is right after.
Too bad bessie didn't comment on it after.

Thats plenty to dissect and hold him accountable for results and rationale

I think he does if he is the one that plans it from the beginning. I dropped Hippo and thought he may be just lost in the sauce. However, look at his post I quoted. He said he'd have a day off, but then no reads came of that. Feels like scum that got locktown read, and took advantage of that.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:53 pmPersonally Im of the opinion we dont flip sab here, let him do his supported night and assuming he survives the night he full claims everything tomorrow

That's fine with me as long as we flip Heury today because when I voted him, I was more confident he'd flip scum compared to Boom. Yet now, I have more confidence due to Sabrar's reaction here.

Alright I'm going to say it. That seems like an interesting timing for Ahippo to replace, before even claiming and having to post reads.

I solved the game. Believe me or not, that's the team. You're welcome town.

I think the last piece of relevant information I even have to say is that I'm aligned with the Shepherd.

In theory, I really love these social deduction games! Under better circumstances, I'd like to try again! I'm sorry it didn't work out this time. We're figuring out a replacement for me, and considering how low I've set that bar, I guarantee they'll be better!

heury is never the play today. I would like to draw attention once again to EGW claiming that heury faked the scumread on me. This is ridiculous, given the acknowledged mod-mistake. If heury and me are buddies then Adum never makes that post in a million years.

I did not want to bring this aspect into the solve, but if EGW insists on using it for a read then I will do so.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:01 pmIf heury and me are buddies then Adum never makes that post in a million years.

Can you elaborate on this. I still think Heury and you are buddies.

Since you asked.

Mods acknowledged that there was an error in communication.
"I informed one player about something but mistakenly no commented to another."
At the point in time when heury voted me, there was no other player who claimed to have asked the mods regarding fake-claims. Therefore the only 2 players that the mod can refer to is heury and myself. Meaning the mod gave a different answer to the same question to me and heury. This simply does not happen if we share a common chat.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 12:28 pmI feel that when scum finds a town doing something that can be perceived as scumslip, they dont drop as easily?

Santy asked me regarding the scumslip read, but you never told him to not consider it due to game integrity. So I was answering what I genuinely thought there. At first I thought Heury was distancing himself from Boom and being opportunistic towards you, however I have to re-read it to truly understand his motivation.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:01 pm heury is never the play today. I would like to draw attention once again to EGW claiming that heury faked the scumread on me. This is ridiculous, given the acknowledged mod-mistake. If heury and me are buddies then Adum never makes that post in a million years.

I did not want to bring this aspect into the solve, but if EGW insists on using it for a read then I will do so.

Can you link the claim ?