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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 amActually a little surprised I wasn't "visited" last night, wasn't expecting to survive the night phase tbh lol

I'm also gonna say that Zeniba's flip from my perspective pretty much confirms that Madge assigned alignment and roles with flavor in mind. Cause they're a human and what they did in the story makes sense with them being a cop (or a role cop). Unless GERTY doesn't make sense, I don't know the character.

That means scum probably have safeclaims BUT sanity checking roles with flavor will probably be useful for picking out false claims because they'll have to adjust their roleclaims based on the state of claimed night actions they claim which is where it will be useful because it might not match up with flavor claims. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

I have no thoughts on the flavor identity of the other mafia right now.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:29 am Gluelock is town and I will die for them.

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:46 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:29 amWhy would they want to do that with their scimbuddies? It makes more sense if moody is otherscum, they pretty much sealed Zeniba's fate, Mak probably would've on principal but we had no way of knowing they'd come back before the deadline. It was 5-5 with Seven getting there first. Heury seems the better partner choice for a Zeniba partner. Also do you know if that night resolution suggests two nightkills with one blocked?

If I recall correctly, Moody was willing to vote Seven, but only voted Zeniba when Boom pushed for it, and there was discussion around Zeniba before him listing Zeniba as one of his options. If anything, the person to seal Zeniba's fate was you, which I give you credit for. On night resolution: I have no idea about how Madge and Sabrar host. My first time in a Madge game, I just signed up and now I'm here. I will say I am confused at the results. I think your last sentence makes most sense, that Boomfrog was likely protected, but still died retroactively as a bodyguard. So then we have to consider his townreads, who would he target in this case? Between Heury and Moody, Moody actually seems to have weird points to him. Although keep in mind that Moody was voting Heury before that. I will look at the posts you mention with reference to Heury at the moment, but Moody is the better fit for me here.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:50 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 amActually a little surprised I wasn't "visited" last night, wasn't expecting to survive the night phase tbh lol

Why?

I'm also gonna say that Zeniba's flip from my perspective pretty much confirms that Madge assigned alignment and roles with flavor in mind. Cause they're a human and what they did in the story makes sense with them being a cop (or a role cop). Unless GERTY doesn't make sense, I don't know the character.

That means scum probably have safeclaims BUT sanity checking roles with flavor will probably be useful for picking out false claims because they'll have to adjust their roleclaims based on the state of claimed night actions they claim which is where it will be useful because it might not match up with flavor claims. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

I have no thoughts on the flavor identity of the other mafia right now.

I assure you, continuing down that line leads to nowhere. You're not going to be able to solve any part of the game through flavor claims. Any good mod develops their games in a way where scum can't be outed by flavor claims.

I agree there are likely two scum teams and that the setup is 9-2-2. This puts bessie and heury back on the map then since they are probably pretending to be masons like me and bessie did as scum together in Sumting Sumting mafia.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:56 amBluelock is who was targeted.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:56 am

boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:29 am Gluelock is town and I will die for them.

Bluelock is who was targeted.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:01 amthe issue isn't designing so much as their own actions hurting their claim.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:50 amI agree there are likely two scum teams and that the setup is 9-2-2. This puts bessie and heury back on the map then since they are probably pretending to be masons like me and bessie did as scum together in Sumting Sumting mafia.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:07 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:01 amthe issue isn't designing so much as their own actions hurting their claim.

What do you mean? I've been in several of these games now, flavor claims aren't alignment indicative. Just look at the Stranger Things one from last year.

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:12 am

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:50 amI agree there are likely two scum teams and that the setup is 9-2-2. This puts bessie and heury back on the map then since they are probably pretending to be masons like me and bessie did as scum together in Sumting Sumting mafia.

Who do you think is Mafia at this juncture?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 am Laserguy probably not scum with Zeniba too due to helping carry it past the finish line and encouraging it.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:53 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:31 am System.out.println("@boomfrog, @Seven, @Laser, how would you feel about a Zeniba lynch?

@Bessie, I know you want Seven dead but I'd like your opinion too.

I'd really like Mak on for some sanity checks on things and helping grab a lynch, but I get a feeling they won't be around in time and Madge rejected me sending them a text prod.

");

I'd be willing to do Zeniba. Not a first choice since I kind of like that one post out of Fred, but I agree there's not really anything else there to speak of. Better than Seven for sure.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:39 am Unsure of current VC. Will vote Zeniba if/when needed.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:45 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:41 am If I've been keeping track correctly, it's Seven at 4 votes (bessie, EGW, heury, somi) and Zeniba 4 votes (BF, Seven, Adum, me).

Thanks.

Vote: Zeniba

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:30 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 am Laserguy probably not scum with Zeniba too due to helping carry it past the finish line and encouraging it.

Ummm where did Laserguy encourage it?

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:53 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:31 am System.out.println("@boomfrog, @Seven, @Laser, how would you feel about a Zeniba lynch?

@Bessie, I know you want Seven dead but I'd like your opinion too.

I'd really like Mak on for some sanity checks on things and helping grab a lynch, but I get a feeling they won't be around in time and Madge rejected me sending them a text prod.

");

I'd be willing to do Zeniba. Not a first choice since I kind of like that one post out of Fred, but I agree there's not really anything else there to speak of. Better than Seven for sure.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:39 am Unsure of current VC. Will vote Zeniba if/when needed.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:45 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:41 am If I've been keeping track correctly, it's Seven at 4 votes (bessie, EGW, heury, somi) and Zeniba 4 votes (BF, Seven, Adum, me).

Thanks.

Vote: Zeniba

FoS

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:45 am Encouraging implies an action on others, unless you mean laserguy was encouraging themself.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:16 am System.out.println("

Actually a little surprised I wasn't "visited" last night, wasn't expecting to survive the night phase tbh lol

The Zeniba flip has implications.

Firstly, Zeniba being a cop suggests that we have at least one indy, but I'm thinking it's more likely we have two Mafias. However I've known some mods to call "role cops" just "cops" and would appreciate if @anyone would confirm whether Madge does this. If it's a second scumteam I'd argue we're probably looking at a 9-2-2game whereas if it's a Indy I'd say 9-3-1. Would love anyone with insight into how Madge builds would appreciate info. I don't really have thoughts on how a pro town Indy would affect this.

If Seven was scum with Zeniba as the presumptive lynch target, if they were scum with Zeniba were feel reasonably mixed about the proposal of Zeniba as a compromise Lynch as the other slot and they were also gunning for JC as just scum. Don't know their bussing meta though, wagon behavior is NAI.

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:18 am Moody is scum. His initial points on Bessie were too gracious, and his sudden change of read seemed disingenuous. Zeniba pushing him for seeming no solid reason, also makes the push make sense as informed. I'm going to re-read but at the moment that throws a kink in my Zen read. I admit I'm wrong on him (and by extension, Adum)

Vote: Moody

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:50 am I agree there are likely two scum teams and that the setup is 9-2-2. This puts bessie and heury back on the map then since they are probably pretending to be masons like me and bessie did as scum together in Sumting Sumting mafia.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:10 amRole cop and cop are generally considered separate roles and I would usually expect them to be stated as such. Multiball or one or more indies I think are possible. Maybe even both. Madge is very chaotic neutral and loves to throw the kitchen sink into every game. Sabrar does act as a good restraining force so the setup should be reasonably balanced, for some definition of balance.

If Seven was scum with Zeniba as the presumptive lynch target, if they were scum with Zeniba were feel reasonably mixed about the proposal of Zeniba as a compromise Lynch as the other slot and they were also gunning for JC as just scum. Don't know their bussing meta though, wagon behavior is NAI.

FWIW, Seven considers bussing super suboptimal and almost never does it.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:20 am System.out.println("

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:10 amRole cop and cop are generally considered separate roles and I would usually expect them to be stated as such. Multiball or one or more indies I think are possible. Maybe even both. Madge is very chaotic neutral and loves to throw the kitchen sink into every game. Sabrar does act as a good restraining force so the setup should be reasonably balanced, for some definition of balance.

I agree with "should".

What do you think of the kill text, seems to imply a kill was sent in on BF failed and then they died anyway.