Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Seven]

I would suggest I be Mak's proxy, because right now I'm wanting to vote Seven for his desire to end the day phase, and for his comments about voting to extend the day phase being unfair. In PYP he was the first to vote for an extension and he was town.

This is a good post.

No it isn't.
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[Theallieza]

okay I feel like there's critical Content in here and I'm missing it, please explain:

Sure, I'll try. These four posts below are from page 2. How are EGW and Seven reading each other?

Alas, it seems we are yet again fated to be opposing alignments. To the dancers on EGW’s team, I am sorry that you rolled scum against me.

Vote: EGW

Alas, it seems we are yet again fated to be opposing alignments. To the dancers on EGW’s team, I am sorry that you rolled scum against me.

Vote: EGW

Funnily enough I get a solid town ping from this.

EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

So far:

Town: Laserguy, Seven

Pretty unambiguous, right? Seven thinks EGW is mafia; EGW thinks Seven is Town.

A few posts later, somi:

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule

Somi gets this wrong and says EGW and Seven scumreading each other. It's a weird error because their posts are really clear. There's not really any way you could read those posts and come away with that impression. Mak spent a bunch of time asking somi about this and somi said he just wasn't paying attention, which I find unsatisfying... I can dig up those posts for you later.

So.... How did this happen? It could be an innocent mistake, but it's a weird one.

I think what probably happened was there was a scumchat discussion that went like this:

Seven: I'm going to scumread EGW. He will scumread me back and we'll spend the whole day arguing and everyone else will probably ignore it and think it's two townies fighting.

Somi: You've done that before and it worked. That sounds like a good plan.

Somi was expecting EGW to scumread Seven back. But EGW didn't. But Somi didn't read what actually happened in the thread before he posted. He made his post based on what he assumed would happen.

[Seven]

Thea that is so flipping funny.

[Seven]

How do you think the stump role would work in the hands of mafia? Why do you think mafia would target the stump on the same player as the NK as opposed to literally anyone else?

Beats me. I am back to being fine with Ranmaru again, however. When looking for examples of me wanting to end the day early, I got caught up in reading an old game, Walmart Mafia, where Ran fought tooth and nail because he thought I was scum. He had the same sort of tone there as he does D2 here. It's funny how after 11 years we are still going through the same things:

This song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke

Why not let Madge answer and explain that herself?

Madge had already posted. It is odd that you missed or didn’t consider that.

I didn't see Madge respond to Laser. I'm not sure why you need to step in for her at this point.

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I don't see why you think that.

Do extensive reads on heury and moody. Break down everything.

Alright give me some time and I will give you that. Do Somi for me.

Somi, I'm curious on your reads today.

Are you still against looking into Somi for me? Especially since he hasn't posted as often as he did in Day 1. Are you still on Heury and Moody as scum at this point?

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I think Seven's push against EGW here was an attempt to give himself a fig leaf of cover if EGW were to flip later in the game, without actually putting EGW in any danger. Light distancing with no follow through, that allows him to still claim he had read EGW as scum but without having to do any of the heavy lifting of actually trying to make a case against him.

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On Seven, he seemed townie to me D1 however by now it's apparent he isn't trying to truly determine who is mafia.

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[Freddino18]

No, I'm getting oiled up for my next fight

Ramses is not dancing, he does not dance.

This is literally the first time in any of my mafia games that anyone has understood my profile picture for the game. Congratulations.

[Freddino18]

ping

@Adum does non-bastard disclude cult and other alignment changing roles from existing in the game?

Yes, that means I can guarantee no alignment changing roles among other things

That shoots my D1 theory like Old Yeller. I was thinking zombies (cult, I guess?)

[Seven]

That shoots my D1 theory like Old Yeller.

#moodyquip

[Freddino18]

She has been tunneling Fred pretty consistently since middle of D1.

I am not counting that since she voted him for not posting reads. As soon as he did she unvoted. I do want you to re-evaluate Bessie. Her early game play seemed more neutral to me.

This was not consistent with the last time Bessie tunneled me, this has always been provisional, whereas in the other game it seemed like I genuinely did something wrong. (the goldfish does not know which game that was, maybe Millerizer)

[madge]

Thanks Thea for clarifying for me.

This is me working my way through it:

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- Seven thinks EGW is scum
- EGW thinks 7 is town
- 7 thinks EGW is scum
- EGW 7 town

then Somi says that EGW/7 scumread each other

So, basically, at best, Somi is town who isn't paying attention (I can relate to this). At worst, Somi is scum who doesn't actually care because he knows their alignments. I am less convinced that it follows that Somi is scum with 7 and EGW, that feels too neat - your hypothetical scum chat could have been Seven saying "I'll pick a fight with town!EGW, we'll scumread each other and it'll be a distraction" and have exactly the same outcome (in fact, is even more likely since EGW doesn't follow the script). So I'd say scum!somi slightly implies scum!7 but I don't think EGW is implicated. That said, your case has a lot more to it than just the one exchange that you were so kind as to explain to me using crayons, so I will see about giving it another read if I think it's critical info.

Readslist with minor changes from last time:

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Townie: Fred, Thea (I don't think scum would have gone to all that work with that list and defending it; unless they're some sort of indie who really needs to get a sole win),
Neutral: Wam, Bessie, Moody* (no particular oder)
Voteable: Somi (will give us info), JC, Heury*
Perfectly within their meta but I struggle to read them: Seven (all their hijinks are a nulltell IMO)

*heury and moody are marginally more scummy than their colocataires due to being alts to a town wagon

Non-Vibes, Facts, Extra Firm Reads:
Mak - conftown, will sheep (would only be reluctant to vote Fred if told, and even then as long as Mak seems to have thought about it and isn't just doing it on a whim I would prob do it)
EGW - provisionally town due to no counterclaim and non-bastard game

Conditional reads: If Somi flips scum then Thea is almost certainly town (because if Thea was Somi's scummate he wouldn't try to specifically dig up this point), and Seven is a sliver more likely to be scum.

My vote: At the end of the day I'm 100% committed to what Mak tells me to do. If they don't give a definitive ruling I'll vote amongst Somi, JC, Heury.

[Seven]

I just went through a heury metadive. The differences between his scum and town play are actually pretty salient. It's a shame that he's often MLed despite it. I was going to give examples of the differences, but I'll spare you all the details. You're just going to have to trust me:

Man, Heury, I'm pretty sure I'm able to soul-read you from just a few posts. The difference between your town play and scum play is night and day to me. For example, your play in WWZ vs Halloween 2021 and Recyclables. It's like how Laser can read bessie and somi from just a few posts.

I'll do Somi next @Ran. The reason why I haven't already is because I've done so in prior games and found no differences. As Alli said, he has both good and bad games both as town and scum, and they are indistinguishable from content alone. Eliminating him early on is pure chance, and I prefer to read him by other means.

[Seven]

@Madge for the record, Alli discarded the idea that scum!George is a part of it. The scenario she outlined is the one you gave, where it is scum!Seven, scum!somi, and town!George.

[Freddino18]

I found a new method, but it exclusively gives scum reads, so anyone not on the list will be town

This post after dragging on and saying he was making progress for an actual reads list seems odd, and like he was avoiding giving actual reads.

I'll admit, I'm not very good at getting reads, mainly because I don't take notes or anything as I read, but after all the notes and stuff he was taking this doesn't make sense.

My original method was to paraphrase every single post in the thread into a single google doc, then use that to make a second google doc with only scummy/townie posts, and from there make a third document to accumulate those into a reads list, which I would then copy/paste as my reads list. This method, I skipped step one, only wrote summaries for scummy posts, then counted each one. Bessie got positive points because I genuinely felt bad for having her on my half-assed list for literally one thing calling out Wam.

I put this process off as long as I can each game because forcing myself to reread all of the thread and write an essay about it is a living nightmare.

[EGW]

I'll do Somi next @Ran. The reason why I haven't already is because I've done so in prior games and found no differences. As Alli said, he has both good and bad games both as town and scum, and they are indistinguishable from content alone. Eliminating him early on is pure chance, and I prefer to read him by other means.

Why are you calling me Ranmaru now, just curious.

[Seven]

I'll do Somi next @Ran. The reason why I haven't already is because I've done so in prior games and found no differences. As Alli said, he has both good and bad games both as town and scum, and they are indistinguishable from content alone. Eliminating him early on is pure chance, and I prefer to read him by other means.

Why are you calling me Ranmaru now, just curious.

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=74435#p74435

[Freddino18]

My summary list for Millerizer as an example

Starting after the woof list
MADGE: Immediately defensive on first post.
EGW: Immediate vote for me
BESSIE: Informational post with no content Disregard
MADGE: Makes several blanket statements, no real content
BESSIE: Clarifies woof list with previous “beef”
SABRAR: Immediate vote for EGW
EGW: Calls out Madge for not replying to Bessie’s clarification
MADGE: Explains that it’s a joke
HEURY: Continues the joke, applauds scummy past self
EGW: Deliberately ignores the joke, accuses Madge of deliberately obfuscating the conversation (what conversation?), votes Madge
SABRAR: States that “George” never gambits (WHO TF IS GEORGE?)
MADGE: No content
me: Confused post, I remember mistyping almost every word in this post
MADGE: Explains basic rules
me: No elimination. I made my decision not to vote at this point
MADGE: Clarifies vote formatting, asks me to clarify reasoning
SABRAR: Asks if this is my first game
SOMI: Asks Bessie if they can work together (joking tone). Asks Madge to clarify the blanket statements (I would appreciate that too, strategy is NOT obvious lol). Asks EGW if the early vote for Madge is serious
EGW: Flames Sabrar for participating (George comment), states there is no gambit (is he George?) states his Madge read is a “soft read”
EGW: Immediately goes back on Madge being a soft read, advocates for a hard and fast playstyle. Says that in a previous game he hated “useless” townies. Definitely a TRYHARD
EGW: Asks if the woof list was a joke, asks for opinion on Madge
COURT: Immediate vote for Bessie, citing the woof list, asks why he(?)’s not more woof
SABRAR: Gives reasoning for actively participating in conversation. Asks EGW why he’s taking the woof list any serious thought. Generally seems to have some outside beef with EGW
MADGE: Offers to explain obvious strategies. Explains that they intend to be useless, as that is their meta. Cites a previous game where being useless helped their faction
MADGE: States I’m not Mafia, soft town read on EGW and Bessie
SOMI: Confirms to EGW that the woof list is a joke, does not ask for strat explanations, hopes to not die
HEURY: Posts a list of point-based reads
EGW: Explains reasoning for taking woof list seriously, is curious as to whether or not I have played before
SABRAR: George is EGW Seems suspicious of EGW for making a weak claim. (Jokingly?) suspicious of Heury for using the point system. Agrees with Madge that strategies should not be shared.
MADGE: Gives a CORRECT summary of how the Millerizer role works. (Earliest Millerizer MYLO is Day 4, and wins if Godfather is voted off that day and no earlier)
PRINCE J: First post. No content
PRINCE J: Comments on speed of game (slow)
PRINCE J: Joke read
PRINCE J: Mild scum read on Court for the vote against Bessie (for dogpiling lol). Immediately reneges
PRINCE J: Town read on Sabrar/Madge or “possible deepwolf” for one of them
PRINCE J: Finally stops spamming
COURT: Asks what deepwolf is
COURT: Asks what the beef is between Sabrar and EGW
PRINCE J: Deepwolf means a scum doing early innocence signaling
EGW: Seems to like J, agrees that Madge is posturing
EGW: Asks Heury to clarify on his assessment of Sabrar
BESSIE: Scum read of Madge. Questions Madge’s interpretation of the woof list. Posts the exact initial conditions as a setup-spec, as if it was new information. Asks me to start posting my thoughts. Responds to Somi asking how they are clashing. States the woof list is not a joke (probably a rating of underhandedness, or likeliness to be straightforward). Comments that Madge was watching for the thread to pop, and that not answering my initial question clearly was out of character. States that confirmations are content. (Woof list as a scale of conformation to the format? Why am I so high? Why is Madge so low?). States that Madge is a great late-game Town asset.
COURT: Unvotes Bessie, cites dog pics
MADGE: Thinks she’s on the grr end of the woof list, says she was excited and on lunch when game started.
SABRAR: Surprised by Bessie’s message
me: Confirms first game of mafia
me: Chaotic Stupid
MADGE: Claims I am inexperienced, not stupid, offers help (I missed it, I think)
MADGE: Posts some resources. Definitely missed that
me: The Millerizer speculation post, with the edits (literally two words, by the way)
MADGE: Answers that yes, we can claim roles, but it is not helpful, explains why each role should not claim truthfully, advises not to lie, but also not to volunteer info. Then talks general cop strategy. Clarifies that I would not have asked my initial questions if I was Mafia. Confirms that the Millerizer is the only one who can directly confirm the Godfather.
me: Realization of dum
EGW: Asks if I was playing a role, then asks for three scum names with reasoning, then asks about my no elimination vote
SOMI: Claims they’re smart and capable of underhandedness. Says hi to J. Asks J if initial post was a joke. Clarifies that being low on woof list seems to be clashing with Bessie. States that bottom spot is objectively most grr on the absolute scale of woof.
HEURY: Claims that not reading is lame. Fires back at Sabrar for also using point system for the first time.
MADGE: Tells me I cannot edit
HEURY: Clarifies that Sabrar usually leaves an opportunity to respond. Lays a bit of stink on Bessie for obfuscation. Answers my question about having a partner. Compliments Somi for being smoothbrained
COURT: Refuses to elaborate on initial vote, but will if asked directly
COURT: Goes to work
EGW: Asks Madge to elaborate on town/Millerizer read of me and town reads of EGW and Bessie, specific focus on Bessie
SABRAR: Reads J as town due to SOC style of writing. Reads me and Madge as non-Millerizer due to our “misunderstandings” (Remember to bring up Madge’s correct interpretation). Explains that he and EGW are always adversarial in their actions, and have never both been mafia. Points out that we should not have told the Millerizer that they are the only person who can identify the Godfather. Says there is a problem with Bessie’s woof list because nobody interpreted it correctly. Complements Bessie for getting the setup right. Calls out Bessie for misinterpretation of confirmation post timings.
EGW: Admits he has a hard time reading Sabrar, says he has no negative intentions
EGW: Agrees to Sabrar’s read that I am not Millerizer. States that he is not comfortable with Madge being the one to reveal the Millfather trick. Asks for a scum read from Sabrar
SABRAR: Does not have any scum reads, states he now avoids quick reads
MADGE: Explains reads of me, EGW, and Bessie. Apologizes for reveal of Millfather trick, states that she is trying not to drive me off.
HEURY: Calls out some of Madge’s wording for being slightly scummy
BESSIE: Doggoposting, more obfuscation on the woof list. Asks Madge what makes her think she is arguing about metas. Tells me that a town no elim vote is generally bad. Explains the woof list (my last speculation was correct). Asks Heury for an updated read list. Explains that her reads do not conform to the number of scum roles, states that “forced” reads are generally suspicious. Apologizes for the missed read for timing that Sabrar pointed out. Starts a stupid argument about late rereads. Claims she is always a stubborn bitch
HEURY: Likes Bessie’s suspicion of forced reads, eliminates Bessie as a possible partner to Sabrar. Eliminates J as a scum partner with Sabrar/Madge
EGW: Still wants to know if it’s my first game
COURT: Slightly suspicious of Sabrar but not willing to commit to scum read. Does not want to read me, advocates toasting me if I’m lying about being new (haha, no barbeque for you). Neutral read on Heury. Neutral read on EGW. Neutral read on J, does not understand J’s read on Sabrar/Madge. Weirded out by Somi’s waffling on his original post. Light town read on Madge.
PRINCE J: Waffly read on Bessie, due to her being firmly neutral
EGW: Light town read on Bessie for pushing on Madge and asking Heury for more reads
me: Acknowledges Millerizer misunderstanding (god I hate that word triplet). Asks what I should be reading and if the Millerizer has perfect knowledge of all active Millers
EGW: Posts a link to the last question
me: Answers
EGW: Asks me why “Madge stinky”
me: References another thread
EGW: Calls me out for being weird about it
me: explains that it was a joke
EGW: Asks why I removed a quote from sig
PRINCE J: Unsure about me, think’s EGW’s questions are a good thing
PRINCE J: Likes Bessie’s analysis, feels it lacks substance. Lists Bessie’s reads in a more concise format. Criticizes for saying basically the same thing on each read
PRINCE J: Paired scum read on Bessie/Court
me: Explains the Signature Game, poorly
HEURY: Notes my background as a shitposter, believes that I am new to Mafia
me: Gets Heury’s name right when he didn’t do the same for me.
HEURY: Gets angry at several people for getting his name wrong (What does EBWOP mean?) Gives me points for actually reading the thread
SABRAR: Continues pointless argument with Bessie. Asks for a few old usernames. States that he has no inhibitions on reading new players. Asks Seven my question about the Millerizer knowing all current Millers. Reinforces no-elim being bad. Asks J to reevaluate initial Court read through the lens of a possible Court/Bessie team
EGW: List of reads. Bessie: good. J: good. Sabrar: light good. Heury: light good. Somi: very light good. Court: Millerizer. Madge: bad. Me: Bad
EGW: Votes me
EGW: Asks for each to give top 3
PRINCE J: Waffles on read of Bessie/Court
PRINCE J: Votes Court
PRINCE J: Compliments EGW on readability. Asks for reasoning on voting me over Madge, plus a third option
PRINCE J: Asks for old usernames
PRINCE J: Asks for Somi to interact more
PRINCE J: States probably not me
EGW: Explains read of me as being intentionally obtuse, thinks I could possibly be on a team with Somi, cites my hard tone shift. Gives old forum name (not familiar)
EGW: Asks for reasoning of J’s town read of me, re-states belief of Bessie town, but cites her meta as reasoning
EGW: Adds to the wanting of data from Somi, states that Somi is an easy read
HEURY: Asks what would happen to EGW’s read of Court if someone else came up Millerizer. Disagrees on read of me, cites my “jokey mannerisms” as being difficult to read, wants my reads to solidify any reads of me. Asks for reads
EGW: States that Court would still be scum if someone else turned up Millerizer. States that he strives for accuracy in eliminations and will not treat me with kid gloves. States that the post reinforces town read for Heury
PRINCE J: Doesn’t think it’s a Court/Bessie team, but states that both have been noncommittal in their posts. States that he groups Millerizer and Mafia as one bad group. Says that Millerizer is likely to be one of the neutral people. Advocates for ignoring metas
PRINCE J: Asks Heury for possible votes
EGW: States that he is aware of the risk of using metas, but still likes to use them, citing Somi’s lack of content. Needs a strong argument against Bessie to change. Doesn’t care if a Mafia member dies or the Millerizer on Day 1
HEURY: Has no Millerizer reads, thinks that elimination of Mafia takes priority. Heavy scum read of EGW, citing opportunism. Asks Sabrar and Madge for a top 3
EGW: Asks for clarification on the opportunism, defends having three perfectly matched reads
EGW: Cites tone for mild town read of Somi. Agrees more evidence is needed
EGW: Asks Heury for an updated list
SOMI: Claims they would have discussed ways to hide that they had discussed anything if they were Mafia. Reads me as non-Millerizer. Argues about Bessie arguing about Somi taking the woof list at face value. Admits not knowing what caused the flip on Court’s opening post being serious or not, agrees with J that Court’s reads are fluff. States that I am not smart enough to intentionally fuck up my initial interpretation of the Millerizer role. States that she doesn’t care about the number of scum on D1 and will call out any potential scum regardless of how many that turns out to be. Calls EGW lazy for only having 3 reads
EGW: States that he doesn’t do additional reads past the quota of 3. States he’s trying to solve D1
SABRAR: Reevaluates reads. Bessie: Uncertain, pending day 3. Court: Bad, cites lack of contribution and unwillingness to pursue a solve. EGW: Good, cites high energy and previous games. Me: Not Millerizer, uncertain otherwise, cites lack of opinions. Heury: Light good, cites good attention, but lack of content. Madge: light bad, cites over-participation on D1 and constant mention of vintage Madge. Prince J: Good, cites openness and good insight, prefers to have meta info. Somi: Uncertain, cites lack of content and skill at deception. Votes Court
EGW: Clarifies opinion of Sabrar’s interruption to Somi. Still muddy
EGW: Clarifies suspicion of me, citing the possibility of me hamming up my confusion
EGW: Asks why Heury is switching to points system
COURT: Responds to Sabrar’s evaluation by saying he was “feeling lazy” Begs for death
COURT: Clarifies nihilism by saying that he thinks he can’t escape his fate
EGW: Restates that the initial posts by Bessie and Madge imply missing pregame discussion
HEURY: States that it is weird for Bessie to jump on people for misinterpretation of the woof list. States that he is using points to “try something new”. Argues against me being obtuse to misdirect others. Cites my activities on the other forum games to point to a consistent tone. Asks leading questions of Court about his clarification. Votes Court. Lists reads, Somi, J, me, Bessie, Madge, Sabrar, EGW, Court
EGW: Defends voting on me by citing voting on Madge, restates intent to not use kid gloves
EGW: Asks Sabrar if Heury is normally obtuse. Asks for thoughts on Heury’s assessment of EGW’s perfect 3
COURT: Is definitely scared lol
MADGE: Confirms hate of Day 1, states that EGW’s assessment of me is laughable, says that EGW was initially suspicious, but Sabrar’s argument points to a misguided townie, no strong negative opinions. Lists possible townies: Bessie, Sabrar, EGW, me. No read on Somi, Court, Heury, Prince J
EGW: Asks Court to vote
EGW: Asks Madge to elaborate on the read of me being laughable
COURT: Refuses to vote, cites giving up
MADGE: Explains that I am clearly new, citing that not editing is nowhere in the rules, says she would not encourage me to be deliberately stupid
COURT: Still nihilistic. WE GET IT
MADGE: Slight town lean on Court for the nihilism
EGW: Asks Madge’s opinion on me for not posting evaluations, cites possibility of hard-noobing (hehe funny words). Points to me asking if perhaps I was stupid, says that I don’t seem that stupid (awww, thanks!)
EGW: Drops point on me editing
COURT: Begs Madge to save his sorry ass
MADGE: Accuses EGW of being too literal, citing the woof list, stating that my stupid comment was a joke, also interprets “Madge is stinky” as a reference to the Longest Time thread
MADGE: Asks what she can get out of Court by saving him
EGW: Asks why I brought up Ratammer/Flicky
MADGE: Explains the ratwife
EGW: Still confused as to why I would bring it up
COURT: Trying to drag down Madge
MADGE: Promises to only vote for Court in self-defense
MADGE: Adds Court to town list, states Prince is an especially hard read
Me: Commits to doing reads (What a mistake, I have a headache now). Explain to EGW that I do mean to joke and vote neutral, but did not mean to edit against the rules
EGW: Encourages me to do the readings (Scum just for that [joking])
EGW: Asks for Madge’s opinion of Heury and some meta-context
MADGE: States that Heury is a hard read, and she would rather get rid of hard reads early. States she doesn’t want to go back through the thread (clever girl)
PRINCE J: Asks why Madge has no opinion
BESSIE: Confirms my newness to Mafia. Confronts J’s statement of limp reads by asking him for firm leads. Provides a link to the Signature Game for EGW. Provides a complete list of alternate names, adds a link to one of Court’s old games. Calls Somi out for being deliberately leading with the “would I?” posting. Continues to say that nobody understood the woof list. States that reads don’t need to conform to listings. Asks Somi for a top 3
COURT: Points to Sabrar as being relatively untouchable and a hard scum to scrape
COURT: Thanks Bessie for confirming my newness. Blames laziness on mobile phone
BESSIE: Asks EGW for more information on Prince J’s meta. Dislike’s Heury’s vote for Court. Suspicious of Madge for “would I?” posting. Reads Court as town. Provides a list of everyone’s current votes
EGW: Apologizes for tryharding
EGW: Thanks Bessie for clarification on the Signature Game
EGW: Provides context for J’s strategies
HEURY: States that he is likely to be misguided, switches lean on EGW to light town. Defends Court vote, cite’s the clarification post as backpedaling too hard
me: Asks for clarification on EGW’s opinion on the reveal of the Millfather trick, citing Madge’s passive meta and that the “misunderstanding” was entirely correct. Asks Sabrar to reevaluate. Asks Court if initial vote was serious
EGW: States that her going back on not providing strategy as being suspicious, asks if I suspect Madge as Millerizer
EGW: Asks if my second post was serious
me: States that I am uncertain on Madge without a Godfather claim. States that the first danger from a Millerizer is on Day 4, states suspicion that I will be targeted by one or more power roles tonight
EGW: Asks why the shift in tone/content
me: Clarifies that I was mostly serious on my second post
me: States that I have been unmotivated to provide content
EGW: Unvotes me, cites me as being extremely reasonable in my post committing to reads on everyone
EGW: Now reads Heury as scum, cites dogpiling on the perfect three argument. Posts his reads Good: EGW, Bessie, J, Sabrar, Somi. Unknown: me. Bad: Court (M), Heury, Madge. Votes Madge
SABRAR: Is unsure about Heury being misguided, tentative yes. Agrees that EGW’s perfect three could be seen as scummy, no read though. Will reconsider Madge Millerizer
SOMI: Reads Court’s rant as town, but immediately goes back on it. Argues semantics on “would I?” posting. Lists EGW, Court, Heury, and Madge as possible suspects. Notes that the woof list was definitely obtuse
SABRAR: Notes that in a previous game, Court’s strategy was to give up the goose when caught.

DAY 1 READ

MADGE: Responds to J’s questioning about her read on him. Explains that he seems to be doing a lot of idle chattering and not a lot of trying to find scum. States that I would be suspected of getting coaching from a mafia teammate (against the rules), but aren’t, as it is against the rules. Takes interest that Court’s found scum strategy is to give up. Votes Court. Asks for vote count
COURT: Explains that he was trying to prove his innocence
COURT: Gives up
HEURY: Accuses Madge of Daychatting with me
HEURY: Says that he’s giving Court an opportunity to come back, tells me not to hunt for power roles
EGW: Pushes for a read list from J, slight town lean
EGW: Notes that Court likes dogpiling his own team. Asks again for reads.
EGW: Asks again
Seven: Vote count
EGW: Asks Sabrar if Mill-Madge would be extra excited
EGW: Agrees that Bessie’s list is inscrutable
EGW: Notes that my laziness is genuine, but Court’s is an excuse
EGW: Town read’s my bellyaching
EGW: TL;DR, something about general reading strats or whatever
SABRAR: Unvotes, but specifically to prevent EOD, still intends to kill Court
BESSIE: Gives me a pass on my lack of confirmation post. Asks why I would be investigated /murdered. Rebuts Sabrar about posting Court’s game instead of Court. Bemoans the Somi aggro. Thanks me for the read list, tells me I can sort by author, says that power-hunting helps Mafia. Asks for an ordered list (lol fuck no). Says that Daychatting is against the rules. Points out that Madge’s vote of Court is bandwagoning. States reads are incoming.
EGW: States he will be online for a while (FUCK OFF YOU WORDY CUNT)
BESSIE: States they haven’t started rereading, restates current list
EGW: No content.
SABRAR: States that Old J would be disengaged D1, reads as town. States that Madge enjoys weird roles and would likely plot Millerizer strategy extensively. States that Bessie is the best at finding old games
BESSIE: States that she’s putting out a fast read list, normally not her style
BESSIE: Posts a game involving her and J
EGW: Says that his digging did not come up with more info on J
me: Explains that I felt like there was heavy focus and that a cop would rather have me as a known factor
EGW: Provides link to timer
BESSIE: Read list: EGW: Town, cites inability to fake town. Sabrar: Town. Doesn’t want to dig too hard. Me: Light town, cites good effort. Court: Town, giving up weakens position, states that previous game where they gave up was unwinnable due to a flaw in the game. Somi: No read, prefers more content first. Heury: Slightly suspicious, high-effort, cites dogpiling of Court. J: No read (Scum?), cites lack of opinions while asking for opinions, asks J for a list and read of Madge. Madge: Scum, cites Court vote after promise not to axe.
EGW: States that Court is trying to die, seems suspicious, might be connected to J, asks Bessie for opinion of J
BESSIE: States that her original impression of Court was surprisingly engaged, despite one post a day limitations. Says that giving up is not necessarily scum, as it eliminates possible late-game ambiguity. Strong dislike of Madge’s promise not to vote Court. Says not giving up a lot of information hurts town in a non-Mafia way
EGW: Notes that Court’s engagement was pretty decent, but giving up was unnecessary. States that read list from Court was rushed and malformed, made to seem town rather than to make progress
HEURY: States that Town read on J was because everyone else was scummier or would be a better priority to vote out first. (Will leave J for last due to general uselessness)
BESSIE: States she had a misread of J in the previous game, and that he was acting significantly townier, but points to a lack of content, asks Madge why she’s not voting for J
EGW: Asks for more opinions from J
SABRAR: Notes that he is rereading the Bessie-J game, but notes that it is in a significantly different format. Notes that if Court is giving up due to a similar unwinnable state, then he would necessarily be non-town. States that Bessie’s reads seem generally good, but takes issue with some of her reasoning. States that he will re-vote Court soon
EGW: Asks for clarification on mechanical differences on the BJ game
EGW: Asks Bessie why she doesn’t town read Somi D1
BESSIE: States that Somi’s playstyle is always extremely suspicious and easily misconstrued
EGW: Asks what Bessie thinks of Heury’s response to the question about his J read
BESSIE: States that his reasoning is inadequate for placing me below J.
EGW: Agrees
EGW: Asks for Bessie’s reads in the situation that Court is Mill/Mafia
BESSIE: States that she doesn’t team read, so it wouldn’t change if Court is Mafia, might clear J. States that Millerizer J would not affect reads
EGW: States he might be wrong on Madge, cites her point on me not knowing the rules, states that Heury/J might be a team if Court is Millerizer, asks for opinion on scum read on Heury, states that scum Court would lead to scum J and Mill Madge. States that Court is a more likely Millerizer, states that J would not commit to a read on him, but “vibes” with his questions
EGW: Unvotes Madge, thanks Bessie for conversation
BESSIE: Asks Sabrar if he would like to talk
SABRAR: Explains rules of BJ game, Votes Court, asks EGW to go bother someone else (lol), notes that he will be unable to change Bessie’s mind, asks if she can answer his question.
BESSIE: Thinks that Court is non-Miller, because either Town or Mafia can win without 1 person
BESSIE: Counts votes, cautions that one more vote on Court would end the day early
BESSIE: Predicts Somi will not vote, asks for an ordered list
SABRAR: States that, by Bessie’s logic, Court is Millerizer
EGW: Promises to bother others
EGW: Scumread of J: Is trying to actively undermine town reads, but does not further elaborate, seems hesitant, seems to approve because it makes it harder for scum to defend false reads, seems to be closed off to EGW, seems generally uninvolved
EGW: Votes J, colors hurty
EGW: More weaponizing formatting
me: Calls out the formatting crimes
EGW: Asks how I feel about the bandwagon and how my reads have changed
me: States that nobody has addressed my reads, think that it’s bad to bandwagon, ask if he feels immune to investigation
EGW: States that he has nothing to fear due to being town, notes that he’s a tryhard, tells me I should not speculate on da powah, tells me I should be more subtle, asks why I read J as town
SOMI: Complains about lack of energy, posts ordered read: Sab, E, me, Bess, Heury, J, Madge, Court. Votes Court. Notes that matching number of scum to number of scum reads happens occasionally.
EGW: States that J and Heury are scum if Court is Mill
MADGE: Asks why Heury quoted her about daychat, says it makes her paranoid, states that she’s being dogpiled for “vintage Madge”. Notes that she will not scumread Sabrar because he is better at reading, and notes that he will try to find the other type of scum if he is, indeed, scum. Notes that she loves weird roles and that Sabrar is an uptight bitch in games he runs. Notes that the cop becomes gradually more useless as the game goes on, tells future cops to note the day of investigation. (bessie noting the flip against Court) States that Sabrar’s info provides context: Court gives up as scum, says it’s bad strategy for town to give in to a scum read. Notes that she would happily vote for someone else, states that it was a self-preservation vote (yeah, right). Prefers Court to die.
me: (replying to EGW) Notes that it is a weak read on J, and that his approval of EGW’s questions is good because it helps to nail my style down, even if the info is not necessarily useful. Note that he’s being a limp noodle, read him as possible Millerizer. Clarifies that I meant that I was asking about how he feels about the possibility of being a Millerizer target.
MADGE: Says that there should be no more posting
SEVEN: Hammer
SEVEN: Confirms Court dead, was TOWN

END OF DAY 1

SEVEN: Start of Day 2. EGW is dead, was TOWN
BESSIE: Mourns the dead, puts everyone below the neutral line on the read list
MADGE: Notes the state of the day, reads Heury and J as bad
PRINCE J: Notes confusion at the rapid drop to scum, notes that he was pushing (incorrectly) for Court, notes that he was indeed taking a stand
BESSIE: Notes that all of J’s reads are weak, and notes that he voted for Court because of weak reads.
SABRAR: Scumread of Somi for not checking totals, but posting a full read list and unfinished catchup
MADGE: Notes that Scum wouldn’t benefit from early end of day, and that Court was almost guaranteed to die. Says she would prefer to kill J over Somi. States that it would be good strategy to upset the game. Reads Somi as non-scum
HEURY: Asks Bessie why she isn’t complaining about the early end, asks where the scum line is on the list, asks why Somi dropped four spots
SOMI: Asks Sabrar why it takes so long to type 3 sentences, notes that she was struggling to come up with a read. CLAIMS COP, notes that Heury came up GUILTY. Votes Heury. Notes that Millerizer comes up Innocent
HEURY: Does not counterclaim, implies (but does not state) that he is Miller-Town
SABRAR: Notes that a N1 guilty read is 80% likely to be Hitman. Tells Somi not to reveal cop so early as it ruins the chance of their partner defending. Notes that Millerizer now has an excellent chance to win D3
MADGE: Notes that it is better as the game goes on for the Millerizer to show innocent, notes that anyone investigated as guilty after Hitman flips is town. Avoids talking about Millerizer strategy, but states that likelihood of a cop result being influenced by Millerizer increases as the day goes on. Asks for everyone to post confirming non-cop before voting occurs, unofficial vote for Heury, claims not cop
BESSIE: Notes suspicion of Somi’s hammering and states she is waiting for everyone to post before going into it. Notes that the rest of the alive players are on her scum list, with the possible exception of me. Notes that Somi becoming the main scum read is due to the hammering. Asks what I think about the two eliminations, asks J to post anything
me: Incorrect interpretation of Madge’s analysis, and forgetting that the cop is a Miller, correcting Somi’s 50% estimate. Responds to Bessie asking me for opinions noting that I completely missed Dawn, and was planning on doing the statistical analysis on N1 guilty results. I note that we didn’t miss much EOD content.
me: States that I think that EGW was eliminated because he was a tryhard and a full re-evaluation would be dangerous to the Mafia. Offers my notes, stating that EGW hard-flipped against Heury and could thus be a reason to reaction-kill. Flip to hard suspicion of Somi, note that I misread something as saying Somi was smoothbrained. State that Heury will be my vote pending no cop counterclaim, go through reasoning for other roles to counterclaim, state intention of D4 Somi vote
SABRAR: Notes that Godfather will come up Guilty if Hitman flips. Tells me that we cannot Millerizer-hunt D3 if there are no dead Mafia. Asks J for opinions
MADGE: Thanks Sab for the clarification
SOMI: Asks if Heury gave up, complains about Sabrar telling her basic strategy, notes that she expected the scum read from Bessie, asks me why I’m thinking about Godfather counter-claiming Cop
SABRAR: Notes that it’s totally possible for Heury to have given up
PRINCE J: States that they are now taking time away from another Mafia game to catch up, asks for confirmation that we will be voting Heury
HEURY: Notes that he hasn’t given up, states that there are still a few live players who haven’t talked, posts a read list: Somi, me, J, Bessie, Sab, Madge
MADGE: Asks how I intend to kill Millerizer D3. Thanks J for telling everyone about the hack of the other forum. Notes that J still has not given any solid reads, asks for reads. Asks about Heury’s read on Sabrar
HEURY: Notes that Sab has not been doing much scum hunting, and hasn’t given people opportunities to respond
me: Expands on my speculation on Godfather counter-claiming and ultimately conclude that it would be a bad idea. States that I have no clue how to eliminate Millerizer Day 3
MADGE: Notes that Mafia needs Millerizer dead, says that they should prioritize killing their own scum reads, notes that there will be 1 Mafia at the end of Day 3
SOMI: Says that Millerizer messes with my analysis, and that Heury could possibly be Millered
HEURY: Agrees that Mafia should be prioritized in the hopes that they hit Millerizer
SABRAR: States that he hasn’t been doing much due to Somi’s claim
BESSIE: Asks Heury who he would vote on today, comments that Sabrar is not modest. Asks if she’s allowed to chastise Somi. Votes J
MADGE: Notes that she “forgot” about Millers showing up guilty, again pushes for Millerizer hunting from the Mafia
BESSIE: Asks Madge for a read list
MADGE: Reads: Scum: Heury/J. Neutral: Me, Bessie, Sabrar. Town: Somi. Notes that nobody is being suspicious today, but that out of me, Bessie, and Sabrar, Bessie is most likely to be the other scum, cites “different” content. Reads Sabrar in the middle and me as town. Ordered list: Somi, me, Sabrar, Bessie, J, Heury
MADGE: Notes she will not be on for deadline
PRINCE J: States that he is waiting for Heury’s alignment to flip before doing reads. Votes Heury
PRINCE J: Notes that the game is not his main concern right now, but he feels pressured due to the new suspicion on him, notes that reads will be coming out Day 3
me: Complains that J gets away without doing reads
MADGE: Agrees that it’s not fair for J not to do reads
HEURY: States that he would vote for either Sabrar or Madge, with preference for Madge. States that it’s gross that J’s not going to do reads. Notes that he should do a reread, and that J isn’t necessarily town
SOMI: States that Bessie is not allowed to berate him over hammering, notes J’s “would I?” posting. Asks J for a surface-level read list, asks Sabrar what he is thinking
SABRAR: States that J being lazy reinforces opinion that scum is giving up, thinks that Madge could be Millerizer
SABRAR: Wishes Bessie good luck in eliminating J, votes Heury
SOMI: States that Heury is the main target, states that she is doubtful that Prince is Mafia, cites J’s experience and unlikeliness to give up
MADGE: Confirms that voting Heury will not cause hammer, Votes Heury
BESSIE: Asks Madge why she’s actually trying this game. States she also wouldn’t kill Ran if she were scum. Asks J for a simple ordered list. Asks Heury who he would finger as Mafia if not Sabrar
BESSIE: Declares that she only intends to vote for J for the rest of the game
BESSIE: Read list: Town: Somi. None: me. Millerizer: Madge, Sabrar. Mafia: Heury, J
HEURY: States that he’s certain that Madge is Mafia, Sabrar or Bessie is Millerizer, and that if Bessie is not Millerizer, she is town, Votes J
HEURY: Asks Seven to ping me, asks me what it would take for me to vote J
me: States that J, while staying neutral, has tried to keep us accountable, and that it would take Somi lying for me to vote J, but Somi would take priority at that point
BESSIE: Asks me to vote

LOTS OF CONFUSION ON THE DEADLINE

MADGE: Asks Bessie if she would last-minute voteswitch to ensure an elimination
BESSIE: Gives me permission to hammer
me: Lots of shitposting
SABRAR: States that he thinks neither he nor Bessie will die in the night, asks if she really thinks he is Millerizer
BESSIE: States that she would switch to force an elimination
BESSIE: Notes that Sabrar is less involved than usual.
BESSIE: Thanks me for not hammering
SABRAR: States he is disinterested in the game
me: Votes Heury
SEVEN: Confirms Heury dead, he was Mafia

END OF DAY 2

SEVEN: Confirms Somi dead, was TOWN
SABRAR: States that he is not surprised, expresses hope that Millerizer did not get lucky
MADGE: States that reads are unchanged, does not want to early vote for J, tells everyone, but especially me, not to cop claim unless they are about to die
SABRAR: Heavy Millerizer lean on Madge, cites her begging for no cop kill
me: Asks Sabrar if he’s sure on Madge, states that we could be at Millerizer MYLO
BESSIE: Updated read list: Me, Sabrar, Madge, J
me: Asks Bessie to clarify reads on the remaining live players
SABRAR: States he is uncertain on Madge, states that it is all based on weird D2 speculation
MADGE: States that she was deliberately slanting to get more Mafia time, states that she suspects Sabrar of being scum and using it to get an easy kill, asks J to post
BESSIE: Provides detailed reads on the dead, does not provide detail on anyone alive except me, reads me as town, cites refusal to hammer, reads Madge as indie, more involved, Sabrar as indie, less involved, and J as scum, no reasoning
MADGE: Asks what Bessie means by “more involved”
me: Calls Bessie out on underexplained reads, asks if she intends to try
me: Asks Madge how she knew that Heury wasn’t a Miller
MADGE: States that she didn’t, wanted to keep cop alive, states that she would lead a witch hunt on Somi if Heury came up town
SABRAR: Asks J to fulfill his promise for reads
BESSIE: (responding to me) States that she’s kept up the most detailed reads, and that J has been consistently on the bottom and won’t move without more content. Asks me for my reads
me: States that I will start reads the next day
SABRAR: Posts a read list based on D1, puts me and J as most likely collaborators
me: Asks Seven a few questions about how the cop works
SEVEN: Clarifies my questions, announces MAKHAIRA as replacement for PRINCE J
me: Asks Makhaira if they are the cop
MADGE: Cock blocking, asks why I want to know
me: States that I was hoping for cascading cop claims
MADGE: Notes that there are only three people who would claim to be cop, and that the Millerizer would win if they knew who the cop was, advises cop not to claim
me: Quibbles about D1, was wrong
me: Asks Bessie to show me how to sort by poster
MADGE: Tells me how (useless for a chronological summary)
me: Notes that it is useless for a chronological summary
me: Offers to post the summary, notes my progress
me: Corrects myself on the quibbling
me: Read list. Town: Bessie, Mak. Mafia: Sabrar. Millerizer: Madge. Notes that this is a preliminary assessment based on gut feeling and the dogpiling of Court. States that I am not voting. Asks Bessie and Mak not to vote for me until after the read list
MADGE: Asks where she promised not to vote for Court
me: Shows the two relevant posts, then asks her why she didn’t vote for J
me: Votes Madge
SABRAR: Agrees that Madge is dangerous, but is leery to let Mak live, asks Mak for more content
MADGE: States that she changed her mind when Sabrar pointed out that Court gives up as scum, explains that she voted Court because of Sabrar. States that she would like to get rid of Makhaira because she doesn’t want it to come down to her, Mak, and someone who was actively posting
BESSIE: Accuses me and Madge of lurking due to extensive focus on Millerizer. Notes that her “read” on Mak is unchanged, and that she has “covered” that in the past (like hell you have). States she has been ignoring Millerizer stuff
MADGE: States that she still reads Mak as scum, states that second was originally Sabrar, but focus has shifted to me
me: Promises to post my cop claim and deal with Sabrar
SEVEN: Extends deadline indefinitely
MAK: Promises to get caught up
BESSIE: States she has no updated reads
me: Posts my cop-claim, proposes deal with Sabrar. Implores Bessie to either vote for a Millerizer or delay the game
MADGE: Lots of hot air, claims I have lost the game for town, states that I wasn’t being voted out
MAK: Light summary of the position, asks for daily votals
MAK: Asks if Millers know they are Millers, and if anyone else has claimed a power role
MADGE: Tells Mak that Somi was cop, and that alignment is the only thing shown
SABRAR: Posts the compiled votals, claims I am “horrendously wrong” and that he’s frustrated. States that Madge might be faking
me: Tells Mak that only faction is revealed on death
me: Asks Sabrar to go into more detail about me being wrong
me: Goes through my reasoning for cop-claiming, explaining that all possible reads are useless
SABRAR: States that I am wrong because he is town, and that he could not coordinate with Heury. States that a 1-1-1 is Millerizer win, and that a Millerizer night kill would lead to an automatic town win, the optimum strategy would be to stay hidden and force a bad NK
MADGE: General frustration at me
BESSIE: Frustration at me, asks how I am certain Bessie and Mak are town, asks if I had a chance to investigate. Provides the limp reads to Mak
me: Posts an analysis that relies on a misreading
SABRAR: Rips into me
MADGE: Gives up on analysis
me: Tells Sab I am still working on full analysis
SABRAR: Says that I shouldn’t have to work on something I am so certain on
BESSIE: Rips into me for the same thing as Sab
MAK: Scum read on Sabrar, cites early weirdness and rapid flipping against each other, states that they avoid each other, but not enough to be suspicious, Sabrar doesn’t seem to be doing any genuine scum hunting, likes to procrastinate. Millerizer read on Madge, cites her as non-committal, seems to be pushing focus away. Light town read on me, citing me as being a buffoon, thinks that I am not faking. Reads Madge as town, but only in comparison to Sabrar and Madge. Clarifies that nobody is counterclaiming
MAK: Asks for any D2 cop claims and results
MAK: Sees Somi’s claim, reads me as Cop due to lack of counterclaim
SEVEN: Marks the new deadline
BESSIE: Notes that I have not claimed any sort of result
BESSIE: Tells Mak that I think Madge and Sabrar bad, and me and Bessie to be Millers
MADGE: Long analysis, leading in a vote for Sabrar, definite town read on Bessie
SABRAR: States that he never scumread Heury, emphasizes need to kill Millerizer
BESSIE: Asks why Madge is voting Sabrar
SABRAR: States that he would be interested to read my analysis, plans on voting Madge
me: Says that Bessie asked me how I knew there were only two scum left
BESSIE: Asks me when she said that
MAK: Calls out Sabrar for a lame excuse, cites Heury as believing him, notes that Heury’s interaction was weird, avoiding talking about Sabrar directly, posts a lot of the evidence that I have been citing, states intention to vote for Madge
me: Corrects myself, seeing that I misread Bessie’s criticism by inserting “only” in a key spot. Posts my hopes that we can convince Bessie.
MAK: Says it’s weird for Heury to scumread Madge, Sabrar, and Bessie, then vote J. Positive reads on me and Bessie. Notes that it would be weird for Sabrar to coast all game then call attention to himself as a Millerizer. Notes that it’s weird that Heury was attacking Sabrar all of D3 with no clapback. Is firm in original reads, votes Madge
BESSIE: Notes that Madge seems to not be scum hunting and is instead voting out of self-preservation, leans Madge

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post 1: reminder of majority elim, with dire consequences
post 2: flavor spec
post 3: response to Bessie about "excitement"
post 4: asks Bessie about Madge and somi
post 5: flavor blind
post 6: correction about their alt, town reads EGW
post 7: correction to somi about 7 v EGW reads, thinks somi's post is icky
post 8: response to EGW about Madge's flavor post: it's NAI
post 9: notes EGW's historical context about Madge

And now Cynical View is making notes about a Thea/Madge scum team

post 10: Proclaims Seven as town, other reads with me and somi scummy
post 11: pokes Bessie about her conf post reading
post 12: somi performing as active, explanation of Seven read based on Seven's history with EGW

Even after this while, it still looks pretty solid

post 13: explanation of the alt mixup by EGW, says he's likelier town because of it
post 14: responses to somi about chart format and setup spec (no indies)
post 15: says people not show on reads chart are neutral
post 16: says Fred is town
post 17: also reads Madge as town
post 18: heury's content NAI
post 19: also has Mak as town and worries if he has too many town reads

At this point that would be 6/12 other players Thea has as town, with me and somi on the slightly scummy side

post 20: votes me and wants Mak to do so as well
post 21: something about wam and reads
post 22: doesn't like EGW's reads
post 23: asks Seven about wam's meta and if his reads post is AI
post 24: reiterates that EGW is scum reading easy elims, timing also sus
post 25: response to Mak about heury's meta, votes extension
post 26: response to EGW about somi's meta, non-polar, current content is NAI, Bessie best at discerning him
post 27: asks somi about his response to Thea's vote on me
post 28: response to EGW that Glue is insufficient data, wam's reads list NAI
post 29: read on somi based on vibe
post 30: wants Seven's answer to post 23
post 31: debate with EGW over Thea's read on somi, says he's less focused on somi than EGW thinks
post 32: debate with EGW over Thea's read on somi, has said somi difficult to discern and wants to wait

After my readthrough of wam, I agree with Thea's interpretation that wam's reads were mangled innocently

post 33: repeats his justification of somi read for EGW, stuff about alt
post 34: responds to EGW with post 29
post 35: more alt stuff
post 36: more alt stuff

The EGW v Thea fight is something that has a lot more depth than I'm capable of pulling out of it. What I'm seeing is that Thea seems honestly incensed about EGW digging at Thea's read on somi. The stuff about Thea being an alt account feels ad hominem to me. Giving Thea town points in this bout.

post 37: quick reads, with EGW, Madge, Mak town, me and somi scummy
post 38: response to Seven, says Madge townslipped
post 39: response to Seven, increased confidence in EGW leads to scummier Seven
post 40: liked interaction with EGW, thinks I'm too jovial, somi still inscrutable
post 41: will get back to EGW on something
post 42: decides the debates with EGW re somi are a defense, doesn't like lack of scum reads, historical analogy
post 43: wants clarification from Seven on a question
post 44: explaining Madge's town slip to Seven

I guess I'm just obtuse about this kind of thing

post 45: translates the "noted" comment for EGW, wants EGW's case against somi
post 46: wants to know why Glue has Mak as scum
post 47: debate with EGW over his case against somi, counters with example of active scum!somi
post 48: asks me about reads on him, Seven, somi
post 49: brick joke about his conf post
post 50: reads chart 2.0, with Madge Fred and bessie town, heury and me scummy, JC not enough content
post 51: unofficial votals
post 52: says Bessie will vote by EOD
post 53: doesn't like that lurkers are votables
post 54: posting habits of scum, lurkers elimed D2, read on Fred based on naive rulespec
post 55: meta analysis on me for Seven, says I'm scum, wants Mak's reads
post 56: analysis on Seven, reiterates conclusions from post 12, with the addendum of Seven faking scum read on EGW, read outside of interaction with EGW uncertain
post 57: says he's not as certain of solve as EGW seemed to be
post 58: says EGW is backfilling a conclusion, absolute certainty in town!Madge
post 59: fluff
post 60: asking heury about his reads, especially his interpretation of Bessie
post 61: unofficial votals
post 62: edit to include people not voting
post 63: hedges slightly on Madge read based on Seven quoting mod
post 64: responses to Seven's read on me
post 65: asks Glue about two players he skipped in reads
post 66: doesn't like Glue wagon
post 67: expands post 66 to mead Glue is town, with scum voting for him
post 68: specifies that it's 1 scum

Last hour of D1 starts here

post 69: confused by heury's response about Thea's meta
post 70: asks about why I chose JC for a post-by-post
post 71: specifies scum in Glue wagon to be me and maybe somi
post 72: heury votable, JC only to prevent no elim
post 73: me as preferred elim
post 74: pinging JC for him to vote
post 75: asks Bessie about switching off Fred
post 76: asks if Bessie willing to elim heury
post 77: votes heury
post 78: acknowledges his and EGW reads incompatible
post 79: notes heury leading in votes
post 80: Seven not online
post 81: says Seven wouldn't want to miss EOD "regardless of alignment"
post 82: L-1?
post 83: votes Glue, vows to get EGW for town!Glue

Up until that very last post, I was sensing a serenity to Thea while the rest of us were losing our minds. Don't know if that's superior experience at majority elim games, or something sinister, but the contrast is striking

D2
post 84: Mak as stump odd, but makes him conf town, wants to setup proxy vote
post 85: votes EGW (follow through)
post 86: says stump came from town, but weird as to why
post 87: correction to post 86
post 88: expands remark from post 86 to say Mak was townie enough not to deserve getting stumped, provisional solve pending case to be built
post 89: clearing up misunderstanding about stump power
post 90: vote on EGW not a joke
post 91: explains slips to Fred
post 92: solve is {EGW, Seven, somi}, based on somi misreading 7vEGW, EGW defense of somi against Thea, reinterpretation of post 12 with Seven not following up on scum read of EGW, Mak also scum reading the three
post 93: reads of other players as to why he doesn't think we're scum, heury least sure of
post 94: says Seven read weakest of his solve, strong on somi/EGW scum
post 95: response to EGW, mostly about him defending somi, refutes counter about tone, aside about Glue wagon
post 96: continues about EGW, flip-flop on reads, EOD behavior icky, Seven v wam re meta sus
post 97: recap of case against somi for Fred
post 98: says somi should proxy Mak so it is in town hands
post 99: recap of EGW case for heury
post 100: distillation of his case likely to lose content, three reads interdependent
post 101: quip about EGW trying to distill it
post 102: says connections in case are important part of it, will not move read on EGW
post 103: asks somi about him v Glue
post 104: stunned by EGW claim of stumper, back to lurkers

Scientific view of "hypothesis doesn't fit new evidence, back to the drawing board" is nice, although he's still on somi enough to keep him in alternate scum teams

post 105: unvotes
post 106: repeats Seven was weakest part of solve
post 107: response to heury's analysis of EGW v Thea, says it's not scum!EGW
post 108: asks me about somi read in light of lack of posting by Glue when somi's read switched
post 109: exploring alternate scum teams with heury and somi
post 110: also might have JC as scum
post 111: says that he needed a big case for a player like EGW to get elimed
post 112: votes somi, heury also votable
post 113: will be on at deadline
post 114: fluff
post 115: correction requested for votals
post 116: says Bessie's tunnel is Fred this game (certainly seemed like it late D1-early D2)
post 117: response to Seven about heury as lean scum by default, stumping very likely town power
post 118: reply to EGW, reads Bessie as firmly town
post 119: reply to EGW, reads wam as okay, not votable
post 120: somi lurking
post 121: reads JC as underwater more than scummy
post 122: repeats that madge townslipped
post 123: analysis of Madge not getting flavor reference
post 124: asks EGW about his read of me
post 125: provisional scum team of {somi, me, 7}, with parallel to case re Mak
post 126: back to somi's original sin of misreading the 7vEGW reads
post 127: unpacks the 7vEGW reads and somi's response, interprets it as scum chat

Gusto with which Thea went after their solve is townie, chagrin when it blew up in Thea's face also looks that way, but Thea is still gunning for somi based on his original sin, along with a couple other things they pointed out later on. How calm Thea seemed to me end of D1 seems weird, but I'm not sure if it's AI. The battle with EGW I think turns out to be one of those TvT things. Rating +1.5

Now I'm going to give myself a treat because reading 127 posts is exhausting.

[Freddino18]

Townie: Fred, Thea
[...]
Mak - conftown, will sheep (would only be reluctant to vote Fred if told)

Why am I the only one who gets marginal protection from Mak? Is your read of Thea that flimsy, or did I genuinely slip that hard?

[Freddino18]

well fuck. just noticed one time I didn't capslock a name for a post in that doc.

[JC_DADDY25]

You should post the notes you made day 1 and as far as you got day 2 before you changed your method.

[EGW]

Agreed with JC. Seven, I like it when you call me George honestly.

[moody7277]

Agreed with JC. Seven, I like it when you call me George honestly.

Was that an accident, or did you intentionally reference the cherry tree story.

[Seven]

Seven, I like it when you call me George honestly.

If that's what you like Daddy.

[Freddino18]

I will not, as it contains references to my own role and I do not want to scrub the whole document to remove those.

[madge]

Townie: Fred, Thea
[...]
Mak - conftown, will sheep (would only be reluctant to vote Fred if told)

Why am I the only one who gets marginal protection from Mak? Is your read of Thea that flimsy, or did I genuinely slip that hard?

I just think your behaviour / attitudes D1 were townie, you seemed confused in the right kind of way. That said, I wrote most of that readslist before I had the crayon explanation from Thea, so I would actually be reluctant to vote for Thea.

[EGW]

I will not, as it contains references to my own role and I do not want to scrub the whole document to remove those.

Why does your process to generate a scum list contain references to your own role? Just post the parts that do not contain those references.

I put this process off as long as I can each game because forcing myself to reread all of the thread and write an essay about it is a living nightmare.

You don't have to go to that extent. You can do what I do and construct a reads list of Town > Null > Scum. You can also just begin with a list of suspects, and write why you believe them to be scum.