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Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:49 am**

So.claim time,

Town JOAT (yep I know).

So I have flavour that says there are 3 JOATs not.going to claim the role name but Seven should know WHO I am. Interestingly any mention of alignment of the 3 JOATs is conspicuously absent from my flabour.

I also am not loud but as a result some.of my one shots are less useful than classic ones.

Last night I used a role watcher power on Adum. Hope being that I would see the kill and have data down the line that if someone claimed RB and I saw RB visit adum its good evidence. I also wanted to keep my more useful.ones for later in the game.

So adum was visited by

Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

That doesn't Inclue me!! I checked.

Hence why as soon as I saw the result on adum I voted.

I have questions to answer in thread am working through it along with fleshing out my bessie read.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:10 am**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:49 am So.claim time,

Town JOAT (yep I know).

So I have flavour that says there are 3 JOATs not.going to claim the role name but Seven should know WHO I am. Interestingly any mention of alignment of the 3 JOATs is conspicuously absent from my flabour.

I also am not loud but as a result some.of my one shots are less useful than classic ones.

Last night I used a role watcher power on Adum. Hope being that I would see the kill and have data down the line that if someone claimed RB and I saw RB visit adum its good evidence. I also wanted to keep my more useful.ones for later in the game.

So adum was visited by

Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

That doesn't Inclue me!! I checked.

Hence why as soon as I saw the result on adum I voted.

I have questions to answer in thread am working through it along with fleshing out my bessie read.

Just to clarify... Did you see a night kill on Adum? Would your role have seen that?

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:42 am**

I went and double checked with the mod to make sure I understood right. I don't know if I saw the nk. Those are the roles that visited adum if one of them had carried out the nk instead of a power it is impossible for me to know what they did, they show up.the same.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:26 am**

Unvote

To not be at E-1

Is it standard here that the watcher doesnt see the name of the players and instead sees the name of the roles?

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:26 am**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:26 am Unvote

To not be at E-1

Is it standard here that the watcher doesnt see the name of the players and instead sees the name of the roles?

No it's a twist I haven't seen before.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:31 am**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:42 am I went and double checked with the mod to make sure I understood right. I don't know if I saw the nk. Those are the roles that visited adum if one of them had carried out the nk instead of a power it is impossible for me to know what they did, they show up.the same.

You said you targeted Adum to hopefully see the nk. You asked this before targeting them or only now?
Also, if someone targeted adum with a nk but not theif PR would you have seen them?

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:45 am**

I was 99% sure so didn't ask before but went and doible checked .

Yes if someone had carried out the nk.but not used a power I would have seen them.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:48 am**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:45 am I was 99% sure so didn't ask before but went and doible checked .

Yes if someone had carried out the nk.but not used a power I would have seen them.

To be clear.if say a mafia godfather had carried out the nk I would have got "godfather"

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:56 am**

Gotcha. For full transparency the claim doesnt move the needle in any particular direction for me. Wither you are town giving real info or its a fakeclaim (it doesnt have any particular stuff that its impossible to fake / there are multiball scenarios in which is fully truthful and yet you are still scum)

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:49 am I have questions to answer in thread am working through it along with fleshing out my bessie read.

So I am more interested in this, almost 3hs already passed

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:09 pm**

Yeah yeah I'm working it but things keep popping up and it involves much more brain power than quick answers l. Will be done in the next few hours

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:14 pm**

madge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:09 am Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]

1 Claimed by Seven
2 Openly says the role+that targeted Adum
Fourth One is also an implied targetting on Adum, but should be hard to know that the role name is "publishing cop"

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:57 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:14 pm
madge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:09 am Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]

1 Claimed by Seven
2 Openly says the role+that targeted Adum
Fourth One is also an implied targetting on Adum, but should be hard to know that the role name is "publishing cop"

Also if I'm lying I would begambling no one else visited adum

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:37 pm**

Post by post.bessie.anslysis hidden as it's long.

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

Full bessie re read

Post 1 fluff

Post 2 first content
All around confirmation posts - null

Post 3

Responses to questions nothing swinign my view either way - null

Post 4
Off topic

Post 5
Mostly off topic with a push on Fred.

Post 6 first Post that is classic bessie to me. This give me.townie points on re read. Especially as there was lots of complements/interaction that seems townie.with the worts
Link for.referenece (mainly incase I'm screwing up.the numbering.) https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78893#p78893

Post 7
Town scum list

Post 8 defends thea

Post 9 this is an odd one, bessie doing gut reads is not something that fits my meta picture of bessie, that maybe a me.issue.though. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78903#p78903

Post 10
Mainly responses

Post 11
Voted Fred

Post 12
Interesting moody read response to.othets. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78976#p78976

I like the moody read. Means bessie and moody are unlikely to be paired.

Post13 says madge doesn't like daychat. Based on the masons comment later, township or.double.bluff?

Post 14
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78997#p78997
Illustrates what were genuine reads. I like the thought process here.

Post 15
Pushes seven for their.bessie vote

Post 16
Asking adum.for.whats missing

Post 17
Suggests indie survivor lovers

Post 18
Responds to.the scum slip. Not happy about suggestion it's outside bessies scum range agree with her there is within bessies range.

Post 19
Still pushing on Fred despite the claim think this is.where.my suspicious start. Elimming day 1 because of the below feels wrong to me.

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:34 am I'll unvote if everyone wants it, but TBH, I don't think Fred is the worst elimination. He's contributed nothing, and if he flips Mason he conforms Thea.

Post 20
Doesn't want to elim thr worst, makes sense given earlier posts but could be tmi. Says Fred should vote

Post 21
Pushes seven or.somi but doesn't think either will happen. Which is odd. I have known bessie tunnel.and be the one voice on her beliefs many times when town.

Post 22
Seven read for vibes but not pushing due to outside issues which is how I w9uld expect bessie to be irrespective of alignment.

Post 23
Bessie doesn't think or Post fast, agree.

End day 1

Post 24

bessie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:15 am
The worst has been voted out. They were Dr Louise Banks, Traffic Analyst, aligned with Town.
bessie and ducky.png

Ok. Everyone sucks except me.

FOS everyone that voted for the worst.

FOS Fred for all the reasons I have previously stated.

FOS Thea for popping in to save Fred, but not returning to confirm that you have mod verified information that he is town.

I have nothing that I feel like claiming at this time.

This is a weird start to day 2. Very aggressive push.

Post 25
Lots of responses

Nothing particular stood out either way. Came across normal bessie

Post 26
Pushes Fred again
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79378#p79378

Claims.for seven

Post 27
Responses, Pushes me for this post which is fair

Post 28
Pushes again and general responses
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79575#p79575

0ost 29
I like the pushing on somi.

Post 30
Clarification

Post 31
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79690#p79690
General responses, town scum.list and a vote for me. Think bessie has reasons fo4.scum reading me but comes across a bit omgus

Post 32

bessie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:27 am
Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:41 am Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.
I will just throw this out there, but this doesn’t sound like the Thea that I know. The Thea I know plays the game and scumhunts.

I 100% agree with bessie here.

Thoughts

Bessie has been more.on the consensus than I would usually imagine, initially focusing on Fred.

Bessie not paired with moody, somi, thea or Fred.

Bessie rarely mentions JC potential buddy.

Bessie Post 1-18(ish) reasonably townie but I don't like the EOD posts as detailed above. Feels.townie again day 2.

Questions for bessie

1) do you still feel.we.shpuld have elimed Fred day 1?
2) given the late claim and end of day bits who should we have swung too if you controlled all the votes?

Oh for f#%& I'm now doubting my read
unvote

Maybe just elim me, would rather go now than at lylo.

Now.reading to see.if there are any other outstanding questions I have missed.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:48 pm**

Went back to top of page 32

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:25 pm I change my mind.

Vote: Wam

Why swap from moody to me?

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:54 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:36 pmAlso do you agree with me that they seem unpaired with Santy and Wam?
I don't think I agree. I think he is unpaired with one or the other, but not necessarily both. I am also starting to think that we are indeed dealing with multiball: 2 v 2 v 8. I think the non-killing team probably has a Mafia Doctor and they protected Adum N1 from the killing team.

Do you still feel.this after my claim?

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:05 pm
moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:00 pm @Seven: you are certain that Fred/Thea aren't trying to pull a fast one with the masons claim? Because Cynical View likes your 8-2-2 setup if they're one of them.
It's possible, but I think it's unlikely given the Traffic Analyst. Hopefully it will be resolved tonight regardless with a vig shot.

Can you elaborate?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:45 am
Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:35 am
Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.
Why are you asking me for one night of scumhunting when there's been already two days and you arent scumhunting? Do that and I might be compelled to change my mind
Well, I don't want to push the issue. I feel like the harder I try, the more likely it is that both of us die. I'm working on it.

Like what are you saying here Fred?

Don't think there are any other questions outstanding.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:52 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:49 amLast night I used a role watcher power on Adum. Hope being that I would see the kill and have data down the line that if someone claimed RB and I saw RB visit adum its good evidence. I also wanted to keep my more useful.ones for later in the game.

Explain.

So adum was visited by

Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

So, you're claiming you see the role names of the people that visited somebody, but not the actions, correct?

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:59 pm**

Not sure what I need to explain? I had a watcher power I hoped I picked the kill target?

Yes role names not actions.

So.hope was I picked the nk target only 1 visitor who was say "RB" then I would know that for a massclaim down the line.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:23 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:59 pm Not sure what I need to explain? I had a watcher power I hoped I picked the kill target?

Yes role names not actions.

So.hope was I picked the nk target only 1 visitor who was say "RB" then I would know that for a massclaim down the line.

Clarifying, specific wording is important. Now another important question, what do you think my role is?0

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:25 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:57 pm
Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:14 pm
madge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:09 am Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]
1 Claimed by Seven
2 Openly says the role+that targeted Adum
Fourth One is also an implied targetting on Adum, but should be hard to know that the role name is "publishing cop"
Also if I'm lying I would begambling no one else visited adum

Think I fixed the bolded issue in this quote-chain .

But also this is true, though by others claims I think it would be a rather safe gamble to do.

[HR][/HR]

Anyways Im at work rn, will read what you said about bessie. Plus if someone is up for it, I was thinking on doing a bit of checking how Wam elaborates reads in past games , moreso timing wise to see if there's some sort of struggle of having a natural elaboration on them.
Because rather than going at D1 EoD to point at what made they think that the bessie/Seven interaction feel TvS , they just went to deep dive on bessie (ending up with a town result, which is good but could be a TMI-ish sort of approach in where they struggle to have an elaborated read not be right). Also wanted to check if there was a mention or focus in the interaction with Seven, but on skim seems to be just general EoD1 seeming bad in their eyes? Idk I have to read in more detail later but this is a picture of my mind and if someone is free can save me some time ~

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:23 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:59 pm Not sure what I need to explain? I had a watcher power I hoped I picked the kill target?

Yes role names not actions.

So.hope was I picked the nk target only 1 visitor who was say "RB" then I would know that for a massclaim down the line.
Clarifying, specific wording is important. Now another important question, what do you think my role is?0

Not JOAT!

Other than that I don't know. I could speculate.but it would be uninformed.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:35 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:23 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:59 pm Not sure what I need to explain? I had a watcher power I hoped I picked the kill target?

Yes role names not actions.

So.hope was I picked the nk target only 1 visitor who was say "RB" then I would know that for a massclaim down the line.
Clarifying, specific wording is important. Now another important question, what do you think my role is?0
Not JOAT!

Other than that I don't know. I could speculate.but it would be uninformed.

And why'd you unvote me here? https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79290#p79290

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:40 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:35 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:23 pm

Clarifying, specific wording is important. Now another important question, what do you think my role is?0
Not JOAT!

Other than that I don't know. I could speculate.but it would be uninformed.
And why'd you unvote me here? https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79290#p79290

Because of sevens result

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:47 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:40 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:35 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm

Not JOAT!

Other than that I don't know. I could speculate.but it would be uninformed.
And why'd you unvote me here? https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79290#p79290
Because of sevens result

And what about after Seven's argument that the cop results cancel each other out and that I am be a godfather?

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:48 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:40 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:35 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm

Not JOAT!

Other than that I don't know. I could speculate.but it would be uninformed.
And why'd you unvote me here? https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79290#p79290
Because of sevens result

To clarify, the above question is asking your thoughts after seven suggested that the cop results cancel each other out and that I might be a godfather.

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:54 pm**

Unrelated but

Posted: **Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:56 pm**

I discounted that later as per the below

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:00 pm
Irrespective of all the result I also think adums reaction was so genuine I would be very impressed if they are scum.

That even applies in a godfather world.

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