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Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:40 pm**

Ebwop your reads of JC

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:42 pm**

Town. I think he has genuine reactions to the thread, like his recent post on Seven I quoted. How do you feel about Somi and Seven right now, Wam?

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:44 pm**

Somi I'm neutral on. I can see the case but getting a more overwhelmed feeling g which I'm not sis AI.

Seven I'm fairly certain is town.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:45 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:40 pm Ebwop your reads of JC

His thoughts seem completely alien to me and I really struggle understand where he's coming from at all. FWIW, I felt the same in the previous games I played with him and he was Town.

He's in my PoE, but I don't really feel I could articulate a strong case against him.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:49 pm**

I'm also concerned about Madge. How are y'all reading her right now? I'm pretty set on Seven/Somi as 2 scum but the third is a bit more difficult to narrow down. I will note that whoever is on a team with Seven is also likely getting coaching.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:50 pm**

I'm actually worried about the game I do end up being mafia, I may actually sound coherent.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:51 pm**

I still believe she townslipped her full role D1.

FWIW, I think that unpairs her with Seven since he was very reluctant to believe it was an actual slip.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:53 pm**

madge wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:05 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 am This song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.
HAHAHAHAHHA. oh sweet summer child. i don't know music at all.

Thoughts on this interaction?

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:50 am
EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:48 am
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke
Why not let Madge answer and explain that herself?
Madge had already posted. It is odd that you missed or didn’t consider that.

I also think Seven was a bit jumpy on me here. I thought it was him getting the ball rolling, but I can see it as a way to distract.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:53 pm**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:50 pm I'm actually worried about the game I do end up being mafia, I may actually sound coherent.

Will watch out for that!

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:54 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:16 amMusic is a huge cultural blindspot for me. I didn't know where it was from until I looked it up. I guess it could have been a joke, but I feel like if it were a joke and it was obvious I didn't get it she would have acknowledged my comment.

I still think this was odd from her at the beginning. Maybe you think she townslipped her role, but this is good to go back on by the point there is a massclaim and verify her claim.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:00 pm**

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:54 pm
Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:16 amMusic is a huge cultural blindspot for me. I didn't know where it was from until I looked it up. I guess it could have been a joke, but I feel like if it were a joke and it was obvious I didn't get it she would have acknowledged my comment.
I still think this was odd from her at the beginning. Maybe you think she townslipped her role, but this is good to go back on by the point there is a massclaim and verify her claim.

I think you're missing the first part of that sentence? I said if it were a joke, and I didn't get it, then I would expect her to say something. But if it weren't a joke, I could imagine her just thinking "oh, okay, it is a song" and moving on to the next shiny thing she saw.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:03 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:44 pmSomi I'm neutral on. I can see the case but getting a more overwhelmed feeling g which I'm not sis AI.

I feel like Somi has an easier chance to feel overwhelmed as mafia. In Baldurs Gate I scumread him (for the wrong reasons) but he put his neckout with scumreads and was forceful with them, and he was town. Here his reads are this and this. He hasn't really posted much thoughts this phase at all in spite of those reads. Quite the contrast with Day 2 Somi of Baldur's Gate.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:07 pm**

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:53 pm I found a new method, but it exclusively gives scum reads, so anyone not on the list will be town

This post after dragging on and saying he was making progress for an actual reads list seems odd, and like he was avoiding giving actual reads.

I'll admit, I'm not very good at getting reads, mainly because I don't take notes or anything as I read, but after all the notes and stuff he was taking this doesn't make sense.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:10 pm**

That's a good point. Fred, can you show us the notes you've taken through out the game?

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:23 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:00 pmI think you're missing the first part of that sentence? I said if it were a joke, and I didn't get it, then I would expect her to say something. But if it weren't a joke, I could imagine her just thinking "oh, okay, it is a song" and moving on to the next shiny thing she saw.

Fair, I think I misunderstood it, but always felt what you said was a good point that reflected what I have seen in her third party scum game, where she did the literal exact same thing, as I have said in this post. I honestly have no other thoughts on other players that could be third scum at this point.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:19 pm**

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:23 pm
Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:00 pmI think you're missing the first part of that sentence? I said if it were a joke, and I didn't get it, then I would expect her to say something. But if it weren't a joke, I could imagine her just thinking "oh, okay, it is a song" and moving on to the next shiny thing she saw.
Fair, I think I misunderstood it, but always felt what you said was a good point that reflected what I have seen in her third party scum game, where she did the literal exact same thing, as I have said in this post. I honestly have no other thoughts on other players that could be third scum at this point.

Why do you think moody is Town?

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 pm**

I can see somi/moody/Seven as a potential solve.

Mak kill also fits with this team for similar reasons to what I outlined for EGW/somi/Seven. Mak was voting with me on moody up until the scramble.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:28 pm**

somitomi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.
I have never heard of it before, so it can't possibly be famous.

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule

And this !!!!

Is because Seven assumed that EGW would scumread him for his early push and somi wasn't following the thread but just what was being said in scumchat.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:31 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:28 pm
somitomi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.
I have never heard of it before, so it can't possibly be famous.

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule
And this !!!!

Is because Seven assumed that EGW would scumread him for his early push and somi wasn't following the thread but just what was being said in scumchat.

Good god you’re town.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:34 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:19 pmWhy do you think moody is Town?

I just didn't really get any pings from him, and I see a high post volume from him. That's honestly it though, I usually struggle reading him. Walk me through your read on him again please.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:37 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:28 pmAnd this !!!!

Is because Seven assumed that EGW would scumread him for his early push and somi wasn't following the thread but just what was being said in scumchat.

Yes that was very weird. I discounted it at first as just him not reading but what you say makes more sense. Also the vote on Seven was odd too.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:37 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:44 pm Seven I'm fairly certain is town.

How come?

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:09 pm**

Progress so far

JC(D1) -0.5
Bessie +2
Fred -1 (pre reads list)
heury -1.5
Madge +0.5
somi +0.5 to -0.5

EGW +5 (uncontested town stumper)
wam TBD
Thea TBD
Seven TBD

plan to do it in that order so I don't burn myself out

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:29 pm**

in more "madge doesn't know music" news: I thought Karma Police by radiohead (which I wasn't familiar with, but maybe have heard before) sounded like Arctic Monkeys.

note: I won't be online at deadline as I have an appointment. I might be able to make a phone post to vote and not much else. Let's get a majority vote before deadline, okay? I will be online and responsive up to about an hour before.

okay I feel like there's critical Content in here and I'm missing it, please explain:

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:28 pm
somitomi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.
I have never heard of it before, so it can't possibly be famous.

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule
And this !!!!

Is because Seven assumed that EGW would scumread him for his early push and somi wasn't following the thread but just what was being said in scumchat.

Like can you make the same point but slower? Smaller words? Maybe use crayons?

This was just a quick poke my head in post before I head to work, I will hopefully get a chance to think and process more in a few hours.

Readslist unchanged from last time:

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Townie: Fred (getting more and more sure that Fred is town, just good vibes), Thea (I don't think scum would have gone to all that work with that list and defending it; unless they're some sort of indie who really needs to get a sole win), Somi
Neutral: Wam, Bessie, Moody* (no particular oder)
Voteable: JC, Heury*
Perfectly within her meta but I struggle to read her: Seven (don't like the end of day silliness but nulltell IMO)

*heury and moody are marginally more scummy than their colocataires due to being alts to a town wagon

Non-Vibes, Facts, Extra Firm Reads:
Mak - conftown, will sheep (would only be reluctant to vote Fred if told, and even then as long as Mak seems to have thought about it and isn't just doing it on a whim I would prob do it)
EGW - provisionally town due to no counterclaim and non-bastard game

right now Heury is my preferred elim, basically because everyone else seems townier

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:56 pm**

wam

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post 1: not on at deadline
post 2: early reads with Mak, EGW, Thea town and Madge and Glue scummy. Also had EGW listed as scummy, and no mention of Seven who he votes for at the end of the post

This is the controversial post that got a lot of people riled up to read wam as scummy. The contradictory categorizing of EGW including saying he's getting "weird vibes" on the scum lean would seem to indicate they're artificial, as would the tacked on line at the end about the person he votes

post 3: says the EGW reads are an evolution
post 4: switches to Glue based on EGW's say so

If he's saying in post 3 that his later read on EGW is scummy, why follow who he's voting for?

post 5: Asks Seven about how voting him fits into Seven's previous solve
post 6: Early neutral read of Madge, pinged by her mod question
post 7: historical context for mod question
post 8: explains Seven's position on reads list, cites posts about his read on EGW (post numbers on the disliked ones are all later than the liked ones, so definitely implying an evolution in the read)
post 9: one of Bessie's favorite "would have done this as scum" posts
post 10: votes extension
post 11: the other post Bessie "liked"
post 12: response to Seven about justification of his read on Seven
post 13: response to Seven about EGW's meta, still feels the weird vibes about him
post 14: last call before original EOD 1
post 15: moving heury to scum lean
post 16: sarcasm about his reads list, votes heury, poke at Bessie
post 17: fluff
post 18: response to Seven
post 19: poky response to Bessie over the "do this as scum" thing, asks about her JC read
post 20: doesn't like JC's position on Seven, Glue and Fred linked, Glue and JC votable
post 21: not convinced with EGW's solve
post 22: repeats votables, not on for deadline
post 23: JC not scumhunting
post 24: votes Glue
post 25: fluff

Points made by Bessie about posts 9 & 11, they do seem icky in context. I do recall wam as being mostly reactive, so that fits with what I'm seeing from him here.

D2
post 26: response to heury's flattery, updated reads with Seven, EGW, Bessie town, Madge, JC, heury scummy
post 27: edit to citation
post 28: asks Thea about their solve
post 29: Thea seems too confident, votes heury
post 30: thinks scum!bessie would push him as miselim
post 31: wants opinion of JC from Thea and EGW
post 32: edit
post 33: somi neutral, Seven town
post 34: banter with JC

Fixation on others' opinion of JC is interesting, Cynical View thinks it's scum!wam being concerned for scum!JC. D2 content actually looks slightly townie to me, with a mostly neutral judgement of D1. Rating +0.5

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