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Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:29 pm Stop being lame and start voting people if we need to actually closely examine close contenders let's get that process started now

I guess what I really dislike is this attitude while also not doing anything to make sure the slot you are sussing and seem to have more insight is mafia is not going to be sussed , was recently townread by someone you townread. And yet you twiddle your thumbs while also trying to put some sort of urgency on thread.

Like, to me is fairly obvious that Adum and Seven are town, and for getting a yeet that flips scum with majority, its very important that the slots I think are town should be on the same page with me. Adum is clearly not on the same page, yet you are unbothered by that and you just leave the vote there. So, if you are town, you are willingly dividing town votes between wagons, making it very easy for scum to just support the wagon that flips town here regardless if your read is right or not

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Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:31 am Neutral
Bessie - neutral
There is very little content by bessies usual standards.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:18 am

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:16 am

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:35 am
Adum, this is gaming the mod so take it for whatever, but Madge doesn't like day chat.

bessie town slipped here:

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:15 am I think scum!bessie would feel confident pocketing thea and also reasonnly believe it is a serious boon to her survival chances to have thea so pocketed, fwiw especially relative to other slots available in this game to try to pocket. Also thea with the self imposed restriction is going to be slightly easier to ingratiate because you can often defend them better than they can defend themselves

It's very unlikely that it's fake.

Not buying the town slip. I agree with bessie that madge doesn't like day chat but saying it when having day chat as scum is well within bessies scum range

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am unvote

Just to break the tie.

Bessie can you unvote fred? Or you not buying the masons claim?

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:33 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am unvote

Just to break the tie.

Bessie can you unvote fred? Or you not buying the masons claim?

Bessie can you answer the above

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:29 am ping

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:52 am Bessie and Seven for more details.their interactions eod has made me th8nk it's TvS but I don't know which way and I'm not.awake enough or have enough time to dig into that feeling.

*forgot to preserve the quote of Wam asking bessie to sell them the somi vote*

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm OK so assuming we have a loud cop who's sanity is unknown. We can work out the sanity later (unless it's random...)

We have seven and adum as con town.

So going back to where I was end of day 1.

vote bessie

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:04 pm
Bessie - I said end of day 1 I felt bessie c Seven was TvS been back through and still think it is.

Scum

This is all the Wam read progression on bessie. Main issue is that the read on itself is super empty, and beyond superficial.

But also the push + how Wam was prodding/asking bessie about some direction of stuff is highly unpairing imo

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:36 am

Hey Fredd, mind weighing in?

Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:29 am

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Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:31 am Neutral
Bessie - neutral
There is very little content by bessies usual standards.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:18 am

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:16 am
bessie town slipped here:


It's very unlikely that it's fake.

Not buying the town slip. I agree with bessie that madge doesn't like day chat but saying it when having day chat as scum is well within bessies scum range

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am unvote

Just to break the tie.

Bessie can you unvote fred? Or you not buying the masons claim?

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:33 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am unvote

Just to break the tie.

Bessie can you unvote fred? Or you not buying the masons claim?

Bessie can you answer the above

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:29 am ping

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:52 am Bessie and Seven for more details.their interactions eod has made me th8nk it's TvS but I don't know which way and I'm not.awake enough or have enough time to dig into that feeling.

*forgot to preserve the quote of Wam asking bessie to sell them the somi vote*

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm OK so assuming we have a loud cop who's sanity is unknown. We can work out the sanity later (unless it's random...)

We have seven and adum as con town.

So going back to where I was end of day 1.

vote bessie

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:04 pm
Bessie - I said end of day 1 I felt bessie c Seven was TvS been back through and still think it is.

Scum

This is all the Wam read progression on bessie. Main issue is that the read on itself is super empty, and beyond superficial.

But also the push + how Wam was prodding/asking bessie about some direction of stuff is highly unpairing imo

Want to highlight that there isnt a *single* post that Wam calls scummy about bessie. It just feeling that Seven+Bessie interaction EoD was TvS , without even elaborating on *why* they feel that way

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.

Why are you asking me for one night of scumhunting when there's been already two days and you arent scumhunting? Do that and I might be compelled to change my mind

Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.

Votals:
Bessie - 3 - Wam, Makhaira, Thea
Wam - 4 - Santygrass, Fred, Seven, Bessie (E-3)

Not voting: Adum, JC, Moody, Somi

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.

It is now Day 2. Night 2 starts in about two days, see countdown:
https://countingdownto.com/?c=5877027
This is 7am China time on Wednesday the 13th of November, which is 11pm (Tues) in London and 6pm (Tues) in New York.

Note: Because I am not perfect and Sabrar won't be online, if in my mind there's any margin for error in the vote off at deadline, I will declare Dusk and then one of the mods will post the flip when Sabrar has confirmed it.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:41 am Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.

Again, I am giving you the power to do that.
I want to know what *your* reads are , some elaboration or scumhunting

I dont think Thea has reads for the both of you right? I think its important for me to find you both as town to see both your individual reads , and reads you have discussed or have some consensus about

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:35 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.

Why are you asking me for one night of scumhunting when there's been already two days and you arent scumhunting? Do that and I might be compelled to change my mind

Well, I don't want to push the issue. I feel like the harder I try, the more likely it is that both of us die. I'm working on it.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:29 am

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Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:31 am Neutral
Bessie - neutral
There is very little content by bessies usual standards.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:18 am

Not buying the town slip. I agree with bessie that madge doesn't like day chat but saying it when having day chat as scum is well within bessies scum range

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am unvote

Just to break the tie.

Bessie can you unvote fred? Or you not buying the masons claim?

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:33 am

Bessie can you answer the above

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:52 am Bessie and Seven for more details.their interactions eod has made me th8nk it's TvS but I don't know which way and I'm not.awake enough or have enough time to dig into that feeling.

*forgot to preserve the quote of Wam asking bessie to sell them the somi vote*

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm OK so assuming we have a loud cop who's sanity is unknown. We can work out the sanity later (unless it's random...)

We have seven and adum as con town.

So going back to where I was end of day 1.

vote bessie

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:04 pm
Bessie - I said end of day 1 I felt bessie c Seven was TvS been back through and still think it is.

Scum

This is all the Wam read progression on bessie. Main issue is that the read on itself is super empty, and beyond superficial.

But also the push + how Wam was prodding/asking bessie about some direction of stuff is highly unpairing imo

Want to highlight that there isnt a *single* post that Wam calls scummy about bessie. It just feeling that Seven+Bessie interaction EoD was TvS , without even elaborating on *why* they feel that way

This was the ick factor which I saw in the readthrough which led me to categorize wam as votable.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:45 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:35 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.

Why are you asking me for one night of scumhunting when there's been already two days and you arent scumhunting? Do that and I might be compelled to change my mind

Well, I don't want to push the issue. I feel like the harder I try, the more likely it is that both of us die. I'm working on it.

We already have 2 sort-ish clears . And you recognize that despite being masons there is some sort of doubt around you. If you try harder and make it likely scum target any of you, then still gives us clears and makes it the game so far easy to solve.

You arent playing alone, this is a team game. You dont win if you survive until the end, you winf if we yeet the scum. Focus on that. You trying harder could also find the scum + make people find both you as town , leaving less candidates for people to think are scum = More likely to get the correct solve. Its by far the most benefitial thing to do if you are town

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:45 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:41 am Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.

Again, I am giving you the power to do that.
I want to know what *your* reads are , some elaboration or scumhunting

I dont think Thea has reads for the both of you right? I think its important for me to find you both as town to see both your individual reads , and reads you have discussed or have some consensus about

To be frank, I think Adum is a Doctor, and only got targeted by two people. I feel like there's one Mafia between Bessie, Seven, and Wam, and I think that leaving Seven and Bessie in provides the most readable content in the case that I'm wrong on Wam. Mak is a weird slot for me, but I'm inclined to lean town. I'm always wrong about JC, so I hesitate to put him to either side. I do believe that you have a kill, Santy, but your openness reads as either bait as non-vig town or a genuine claim. My thoughts on the rest are jumbled, but I'm inclined to trust Thea on the others.

And no, I will not point to individual posts

Fredd, could you give a theory that doesn't require me to be pants on head stupid?

Fred, that is the most helpful post you've made in two games, and I thank you for it.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:35 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:34 am Santy, to that end, I ask for one night of scum hunting instead of trying to confirm a town slot in Thea.

Why are you asking me for one night of scumhunting when there's been already two days and you arent scumhunting? Do that and I might be compelled to change my mind

I strongly agree with this.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:41 am Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.

I will just throw this out there, but this doesn’t sound like the Thea that I know. The Thea I know plays the game and scumhunts.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:45 am Well, I don't want to push the issue. I feel like the harder I try, the more likely it is that both of us die. I'm working on it.

Fred, if you’re in danger of dying, it’s more likely to come from town because if you don’t contribute either you’re scum, or you’re a liability to town and it’s not worth keeping you around.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:49 am You arent playing alone, this is a team game. You dont win if you survive until the end

Or do you?????

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:22 am I can see it if they're some kind of indie survivor lovers.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:56 am To be frank, I think Adum is a Doctor, and only got targeted by two people. I feel like there's one Mafia between Bessie, Seven, and Wam, and I think that leaving Seven and Bessie in provides the most readable content in the case that I'm wrong on Wam. Mak is a weird slot for me, but I'm inclined to lean town. I'm always wrong about JC, so I hesitate to put him to either side. I do believe that you have a kill, Santy, but your openness reads as either bait as non-vig town or a genuine claim. My thoughts on the rest are jumbled, but I'm inclined to trust Thea on the others.

Interesting, but I don’t follow your reads at all. Can y ou give some examples?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:58 am And no, I will not point to individual posts

Your choice.

Right now I'm leaning toward voting for Wam.

Out of the people that are left on my list of non town: Mak, Bessie, and Santy feel more towny to me than Somi, Moody, and Wam. So that's where I'm looking at.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:10 am Fredd, could you give a theory that doesn't require me to be pants on head stupid?

Not if you continue to insult me

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:07 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:10 am Fredd, could you give a theory that doesn't require me to be pants on head stupid?

Not if you continue to insult me

Fredd's next theory, "adum's role is low IQ bed wetter because I have surmised that's what they are in real life, no I'm not citing posts"

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:05 am Right now I'm leaning toward voting for Wam.

Out of the people that are left on my list of non town: Mak, Bessie, and Santy feel more towny to me than Somi, Moody, and Wam. So that's where I'm looking at.

I'm willing to believe my gut is just wrong here but I'm ready to move on and see what scum do, let's just yeet wam and hopefully I'm just wrong

Vote: Wam

I believe this is e-1

In all seriousness, if I was a doc, unless I could self protect (very unusual, and even then roleblockers exist), what would possess me to play this way?

The faction that submitted the kill would know I'm lying about being targeted and just kill me next night. Even without that, my day play has been too loud for a role like that, I'm an obvious NK target and was yesterDay.

I respect your later game reads, this was a miss Fredd.

Tbf, I'd like somebody to invote to at least reduce the chance of a quick elim.

That's meant to be unvote, not invote. What a weird autocorrect.