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Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:29 pm**

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:12 pm God I both hate and love this game so much.

Other people no voting please

@seven: but like this feels so town.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:31 pm**

boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:29 pm
Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:12 pm God I both hate and love this game so much.

Other people no voting please
@seven: but like this feels so town.

Oh that's way within his scum range. I wasn't being generous when I said he was most know for his scum play. He is easily Fonti-rank.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:31 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:28 pm Boom, Swiss might just be scum.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:29 pm
Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:12 pm God I both hate and love this game so much.

Other people no voting please
@seven: but like this feels so town.

Lol at our timing.

Btw, I gtg for the rest of the day. Ttyl.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:31 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:26 pm
Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:25 pm Why don’t you go ahead and quote where I said that
Your reading comprehension is beyond terrible this game.

Am I going senile?

Quoting you shortly

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:32 pm**

boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:27 pm
fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:24 pm
boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:14 pm
For everyone else's understanding: Fonti gave good post mortem advice to weak doc. This would have been a perfect thing to advise publicly at the start of D1. If Fonti was town they would have admitted they should have said this D1 and then they would have told me to piss off for trying to paint that failure as scummy and said they were too busy irl to think of everything.

But scum fonti can only refuse to engage because they know I caught them.
The irony is I did coach the weak doc d1.
Oh lol, well then I don't understand why you were angry for either alignment.

You think I can't tell when you're blatantly trying to set me up?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:32 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:22 pm I'm not sure about Swiss being town core anymore, none of his logic makes sense. We shouldn't be worried about hitting vengeful. We only needed to avoid them in a 3v2. Getting rid of them is good because it avoids that potential scenario from happening.

This.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:34 pm**

Why do I feel like I’m a 2v2 with Font VS you two now

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:36 pm**

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:32 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:22 pm I'm not sure about Swiss being town core anymore, none of his logic makes sense. We shouldn't be worried about hitting vengeful. We only needed to avoid them in a 3v2. Getting rid of them is good because it avoids that potential scenario from happening.
This.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:22 pm I always go Fonti over you here. Here play is so artificial. | I'm not sure about Swiss being town core anymore, none of his logic makes sense. | We shouldn't be worried about hitting vengeful. We only needed to avoid them in a 3v2. Getting rid of them is good because it avoids that potential scenario from happening.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:41 pm**

Sensational.

Where did I say I’m so worried about hitting vengeful? Because I just reread the whole day thread and cannot see it.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:51 pm**

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:41 pm Sensational.

Where did I say I’m so worried about hitting vengeful? Because I just reread the whole day thread and cannot see it.

The lines of text separated by the "|" can be arranged in any order as they are disconnected points. For example:

We shouldn't be worried about hitting vengeful. We only needed to avoid them in a 3v2. Getting rid of them is good because it avoids that potential scenario from happening. | I always go Fonti over you here. Here play is so artificial. | I'm not sure about Swiss being town core anymore, none of his logic makes sense.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:57 pm**

I'm not sure about Swiss being town core anymore, none of his logic makes sense. We shouldn't be worried about hitting vengeful.

Shut the front door. These are completely unrelated sentences. Man you need to S E P E R A T E that shit.

And what really pissed me off here is that I WOULD prefer to avoid killing the vengeful.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:57 pm**

fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:32 pm
boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:27 pm
fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:24 pm
The irony is I did coach the weak doc d1.
Oh lol, well then I don't understand why you were angry for either alignment.
You think I can't tell when you're blatantly trying to set me up?

I want to make this clear for the people in the back.

Boom did not care about whether I had coached the weak doc day 1 or not. If he actually cared, he could have looked for himself or asked me if I had coached them. He was looking for a gotcha, and would have gone after me regardless of how I answered. If I quote me saying the weak doc needs to focus on town hunting, he would have said I missed telling them to make their target clear. If I said I hadn't thought about replacement being a thing that could happen, he would have pushed me for coaching a dead player, as if I'm not allowed to be frustrated with sub optimal town play.

The point of the question wasn't to figure me out, it was to dunk on me with whatever I gave him.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:58 pm**

Anyway go on, what logic doesn't make sense. Other than my reading comprehension (which you are getting an earful about later).

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:59 pm**

@swiss where did your strong town read of me go?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:26 pm**

boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:59 pm @swiss where did your strong town read of me go?

down the drain early d2

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:31 pm**

Here is my summary of eod, you can let me know if I missed anything.

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- boomfrog starts the wagon on wam
- bessie is 2nd, association
- moody is 3rd, self-preservation.
- boomfrog limits the choice to wam or moody.
- JC is 4th
wam and moody now both have 4 votes
- fonti votes for moody
- Makhaira votes for moody (E-1)
Sidenote: wam and moody were both town, scum has no incentive to hammer early.
- fonti switches to wam
- Seven starts a wagon on bessie (wam is already there from before all of this)
- fonti switches to bessie
- Makhaira switches to JC
- boomfrog is willing to vote bessie
- Seven switches to JC
- moody prefers yeeting JC over bessie and votes him
- Seven switches back to bessie
At this point wam, moody and bessie all have 3 votes, JC has 2. 20 minutes until deadline
- boomfrog switches to bessie
- Makhaira switches to bessie
- moody switches to bessie (E-1)
- fonti wants a backup plan to yeet wam
- Seven unvotes
- boomfrog asks Seven to decide
- Seven votes wam
- boomfrog votes wam
wam and bessie now both have 4 votes
- wam claims
- bessie asks if she should switch to herself
- fonti votes wam
- moody votes wam
- wam clarifies claim
- Makhaira hammers wam
moody was saved by fonti and Seven. bessie was saved by Seven.

Notes:
- boomfrog voted wam because he thought town!wam would have been incapable of making a detailed analysis from a scum-pov. This makes no sense, wam is a very experienced player, he is fully capable to putting himself in any state of mind.
- JC never had more than 3 votes, I think that is not enough to draw conclusions from the wagon on him
- if bessie is town then all main wagons were on town, scum had no incentive to frantically scramble and switch. They might have done it for sake of appearance though.
- Seven unvoting bessie comes at a crucial time and is unexplained

fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:02 pm Can you sell me on Sabrar? I feel like of Laser made the protect, he might have targeted Sab or Boom.

Please explain how you came to this conclusion. Weak Doc can be used either to protect your strongest town-read or as a Cop if you dare to risk it. You have no idea how LaserGuy intended to use it, nor what his conclusions would have been in either situation.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:34 pm**

As I promised I will re-read, in full, everything. I need to finish HaiLLOWEEN also.

This Zen thing toDay is grimy, it's what I would want to do. Take control. I liked you late yesterDay. Even liked you very early toDay.

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:16 am
boomfrog wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:44 am 15 minutes, we need to get ready to hammer.
Good

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:16 am
boomfrog wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:47 am Don't care anymore. We need to organize a hammer.
Great

Why has JC changed for you? I was sure you had him as town. The Font & Madge sus I can understand.

"JC gets big scum points for caring which doctor wam was claiming. Town wouldn't care."
I don't see this as enough.

You didn't comment on this

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:09 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:13 am I started writing that before he posted, but it definitely made me think... well, that don't look good.
remember

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:37 pm**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:31 pm Here is my summary of eod, you can let me know if I missed anything.
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- boomfrog starts the wagon on wam
- bessie is 2nd, association
- moody is 3rd, self-preservation.
- boomfrog limits the choice to wam or moody.
- JC is 4th
wam and moody now both have 4 votes
- fonti votes for moody
- Makhaira votes for moody (E-1)
Sidenote: wam and moody were both town, scum has no incentive to hammer early.
- fonti switches to wam
- Seven starts a wagon on bessie (wam is already there from before all of this)
- fonti switches to bessie
- Makhaira switches to JC
- boomfrog is willing to vote bessie
- Seven switches to JC
- moody prefers yeeting JC over bessie and votes him
- Seven switches back to bessie
At this point wam, moody and bessie all have 3 votes, JC has 2. 20 minutes until deadline
- boomfrog switches to bessie
- Makhaira switches to bessie
- moody switches to bessie (E-1)
- fonti wants a backup plan to yeet wam
- Seven unvotes
- boomfrog asks Seven to decide
- Seven votes wam
- boomfrog votes wam
wam and bessie now both have 4 votes
- wam claims
- bessie asks if she should switch to herself
- fonti votes wam
- moody votes wam
- wam clarifies claim
- Makhaira hammers wam
moody was saved by fonti and Seven. bessie was saved by Seven.

Notes:
- boomfrog voted wam because he thought town!wam would have been incapable of making a detailed analysis from a scum-pov. This makes no sense, wam is a very experienced player, he is fully capable to putting himself in any state of mind.
- JC never had more than 3 votes, I think that is not enough to draw conclusions from the wagon on him
- if bessie is town then all main wagons were on town, scum had no incentive to frantically scramble and switch. They might have done it for sake of appearance though.
- Seven unvoting bessie comes at a crucial time and is unexplained

fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:02 pm Can you sell me on Sabrar? I feel like of Laser made the protect, he might have targeted Sab or Boom.
Please explain how you came to this conclusion. Weak Doc can be used either to protect your strongest town-read or as a Cop if you dare to risk it. You have no idea how LaserGuy intended to use it, nor what his conclusions would have been in either situation.

If I replaced into a weak doc slot and had no time to form reads, I'd protect a friend who I think is a strong town player.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:44 pm**

boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:59 pm @swiss where did your strong town read of me go?

Saying you have to go for the rest of the day then posting anyway ++

Also I think you're probably wrong about JC. The biggest thing against him is the way Fonti jumped in to defend the town point you were making for him at EoD yesterday after I questioned it. The timing was weird. There's no reason Font should have wanted to avoid a JC yeet that bad. Ugh ok maybe you're right. But one alternative to Font's actions being due to the two of them being partners is that Font just wanted to keep him around for a misyeet later.

I think Fonti with JC partner probably doesn't kill Mak last night. Font killed Mak because of their promise to go after JC if Mak dies. I think in a Fonti/JC world we would have seen like a Sabrar night kill. Especially cause I'm sure Fonti is confident they would be able to manipulate Mak for some time.

Also JC has been low key suss of Fonti throughout today and yesterday.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:46 pm**

Votecount 2.5

1. Boomfrog: Madge
2. Swiss
3. Madge
4. Seven
5. JC
6. Fonti
7. bessie
8. Sabrar

Not voting:
Boomfrog, Swiss, Seven, JC, Fonti, Bessie, Sabrar

Important Links:
Game links and Vote Counts

Notes:
N/A

With 8 players, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is Friday December 15th at 11:59PM EST

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:53 pm**

fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:37 pm If I replaced into a weak doc slot and had no time to form reads, I'd protect a friend who I think is a strong town player.

Not with weak doc. If you really have no time to re-read then you stick with the choice your slot made before the replacement.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:12 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:44 pm
boomfrog wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:59 pm @swiss where did your strong town read of me go?
Saying you have to go for the rest of the day then posting anyway ++

Also I think you're probably wrong about JC. The biggest thing against him is the way Fonti jumped in to defend the town point you were making for him at EoD yesterday after I questioned it. The timing was weird. There's no reason Font should have wanted to avoid a JC yeet that bad. Ugh ok maybe you're right. But one alternative to Font's actions being due to the two of them being partners is that Font just wanted to keep him around for a misyeet later.

I think Fonti with JC partner probably doesn't kill Mak last night. Font killed Mak because of their promise to go after JC if Mak dies. I think in a Fonti/JC world we would have seen like a Sabrar night kill. Especially cause I'm sure Fonti is confident they would be able to manipulate Mak for some time.

Also JC has been low key suss of Fonti throughout today and yesterday.

Dude, if you're town, I'm going to need you to get your shit together.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:21 pm**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:53 pm
fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:37 pm If I replaced into a weak doc slot and had no time to form reads, I'd protect a friend who I think is a strong town player.
Not with weak doc. If you really have no time to re-read then you stick with the choice your slot made before the replacement.

Assuming moody even made a choice.

By the way, this is why boom's team of me/jc/madge makes no sense. Neither moody nor laser would have protected the three of us.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:31 pm**

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:19 amI thought he appeared townie yesterDay by forcing an elim and not caring on who.

This is weak reasoning. Scum also doesn't care if all wagons are town.

fontisian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:21 pmAssuming moody even made a choice.

Sure, but you're making a lot of assumptions for your case.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:34 pm**

Trying to determine what laser did is silly and a waste of time.

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