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Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:26 am**

Damnit, Santy popped off right before I got out that question, now I'll have to wait. Guess I'm popping the response to you in my notes, sorry.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:17 am**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:09 am I'll respond to you in a minute seven, wanna ask this first.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:42 am If Bessie is Villa, then amongst thea/Wam/Mak there should be almost always one mafia.

But anyways the insight / nuance elaboration on Seven latest read on how Adum would perceive them is super towny. They both are just lockv no rescind to me
Given you're talking about how insightful Seven's post was, why do you think I'm still lockv?

(I assume that means lock villager aka lockdown)

I dont think Seven read is correct, and I still have you as town mostly for today play + Seven result combined with you possible being the reason of the no death.

So like, I dont care about the read accuracy, more so how they are thinking and analyzing the game. For a scum if you are clearing a villager, that level of deep thought or consideration is very very hard to fake. That scenario builiding/considerations wa villagery af

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:51 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:17 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:09 am I'll respond to you in a minute seven, wanna ask this first.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:42 am If Bessie is Villa, then amongst thea/Wam/Mak there should be almost always one mafia.

But anyways the insight / nuance elaboration on Seven latest read on how Adum would perceive them is super towny. They both are just lockv no rescind to me
Given you're talking about how insightful Seven's post was, why do you think I'm still lockv?

(I assume that means lock villager aka lockdown)
I dont think Seven read is correct, and I still have you as town mostly for today play + Seven result combined with you possible being the reason of the no death.

So like, I dont care about the read accuracy, more so how they are thinking and analyzing the game. For a scum if you are clearing a villager, that level of deep thought or consideration is very very hard to fake. That scenario builiding/considerations wa villagery af

Acknowledged, thanks.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:57 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:33 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:09 am
Seven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:27 am
Post unrelated, but hey seven, two things.

First, would you mind walking through your thought process as far as why me worrying about the possibility of you being Indy doesn't fit me being town.
My understanding of where your suspicion that I am non-town comes from is that I was town-reading you despite the conflicting results. Town!Seven should not know whether their result is accurate or the public result is accurate, yet they have been treating Adum as if he were town and that the public result is false. From this oddity, it would be fair for you to suspect that I am a non-town entity attempting to pocket you.

However, as town!Adum, the non-town entity you should suspect Seven of being is Mafia, not Indy, due to the difference in priorities between the two. The priority of an Indy would be to avoid the spotlight and allow chaos to reign. Claiming JOAT puts a spotlight on the player, increasing the odds of their being night killed by Mafia. Additionally, preventing a quick elimination of a player would be counterproductive to their goals and have negative consequences if said player did indeed end up being Mafia.

If Seven were mafia, however, claiming their role carries less risk since they wouldn't have to worry about being night killed. Additionally, they would be more inclined to believe their result is correct since Adum not being Mafia significantly reduces the odds that the not-town result is correct.

As mafia!Adum, you would know that Seven treating their result as the correct one does not stem from them being Mafia, therefore you would be more inclined to speculate that the oddity derives from indy!Seven.

This is smart, but you're forgetting a few things.

1. I'm claiming near positivity that I was the NK target last night. I believe he killing Mafia faction had no reason to JOAT cop me because they would've expected me to die so it's a waste of an action they could've used for potential third party hunting. An actual mafia cop might have a reason though, eg if they're trying to figure out their sanity or they know they're paranoid or naive and have loud results so they can pretend to be insane/sane respectively.

2. I think Thea is right that you slipped lack of chat when you talked about Fredd's buddies potentially pming them. So if you're scum you have to be Indy.

(I'll add that BP is pretty common for indies in my experience)

So, between these if I'm town and worried about you potentially being scum, Indy is the only option.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:09 amSecondly, setup-wise, talk to me about the loud copping. If they can do it every day, I'm worried something is off.
If they are Town and can do it every day, then Town currently has too much clearing power with JOAT, Cop, and Masons; even with the Insane element and Traffic Analyst. I'd speculate that there probably is a Godfather (of which you would be my current best candidate for given the above). We don't have enough information to say yet though. Scum may just have other strong powers to counter Town's forces. If Santy has a killing ability, I would also be very much in favor of him using it on Fred so we can determine if the Mason claim is real, or if we are dealing with multiball.

Exactly, there's way too much clearing power in the setup. Hell I'd argue even if they know they're insane for a loud results cop it's probably better to not claim and let their first target get yeeted to take advantage of the clearing power.

Also, minus you who I didn't think expressed one way or another, at least after you presumably felt better and said you caught up, it seemed like pretty much everyone had me town last game day. So why was I copped?

One edge case for the targetting is if you're right and they're insane and they know it so they picked me thinking I could avoid the yeet because I was so townread.

But that still leaves town with frankly redonculous clearing power without even needing to claim and I'm very hesitant to believe it's true.

You're right that godfather is possible or other results manipulative roles, but I have more concerning theories.

Don't suppose any of your remaining JOAT abilities might help with that?

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:22 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:57 pm I believe he killing Mafia faction had no reason to JOAT cop me

Supposed to be "the" not "he".

Also, I'm specifying "the killing Mafia faction" in case there's multiple mafia factions. If there are are more than one, this reasoning only applies to the at least one that I think tried to kill me last game night. I'm guessing if multilball only one has an active kill right now, though I guess it is possible that if it's multiball with more than one scumkill it's possible I was targeted by both? (If that's what happened, I'm a g_d, bow to me mortals!)

This ties into my setup speculation from last post and my concerns about it being weird there's so much clearing power.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:19 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:22 pm (If that's what happened, I'm a g_d, bow to me mortals!)

All right there, Rick. Cool your jets. Although just having watched the series again, he wouldn't be caught dead in a time travel game.

Decided I'll do somi and wam next, wrapping it up with Santy with the hopes that someone with deeper thoughts than me can nail down Seven with more certainty than I could bring.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:40 pm**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:19 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:22 pm (If that's what happened, I'm a g_d, bow to me mortals!)
All right there, Rick. Cool your jets. Although just having watched the series again, he wouldn't be caught dead in a time travel game.

That was not a

Decided I'll do somi and wam next, wrapping it up with Santy with the hopes that someone with deeper thoughts than me can nail down Seven with more certainty than I could bring.
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Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:46 pm**

Sometimes I hate the no edit rule. Not suggesting that it should go away or anything but the externality is I can't edit/delete the above.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:19 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:22 pm (If that's what happened, I'm a g_d, bow to me mortals!)
All right there, Rick. Cool your jets. Although just having watched the series again, he wouldn't be caught dead in a time travel game.

That was not a Rick and Morty reference. I wasn't a reference to anything actually. That was just me (potentially) tooting my own horn.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:52 pm**

Obviously I'm not taking it as an actual claim or anything in the vicinity, it's just that a) as I mentioned I've just finished watching the series again, and b) he was mentioned in Madge's exquisitely crafted flavor.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:01 pm**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:52 pm Obviously I'm not taking it as an actual claim or anything in the vicinity, it's just that a) as I mentioned I've just finished watching the series again, and b) he was mentioned in Madge's exquisitely crafted flavor.

Regardless, after you mentioned it, I was concerned that people might take it as a flavor name breadcrumb, which it wasn't.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:09 pm**

I know little to nothing about crumbing, in both the planting and the reading. I think I may have successfully made one twice in many years of games: once where I mentioned pigeons as Mike Tyson, and once in a Doctor Who based game as Strax where I misgendered a couple of people.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm**

This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:46 pm**

Deadline is in just over 2 days btw, 2 day and 6 hours, let's get a move on

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:04 pm**

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer

If you're bored, how bout you ask some questions instead of dipping?

Also, right now I'm thinking Wam and Somi. I'm not getting any directional pings on moody but he reads unpaired with Wam so I'd rather Yeet Wam and reasess.

Also with Santy, but I'm town leaning them still. Speaking of which, do you have any reason for scum Santy other than the omgus accusation?

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:28 pm**

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer

Elaborate on your Wam read , and why bessie/moody over them?
Have you read why Adum townread bessie? Do you plan on addressing that or are you pretending its a read that doesnt exist?

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:39 pm**

Btw, on Santy their response to my question fits with my existing townlean on them, it's a townie thought process (and basically mimics my reason for townreading boomfrog last Halloween).

The thing is, I'm not sure it's outside their scum range, given how Seven has been gassing them up.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:09 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:04 pm
Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer
If you're bored, how bout you ask some questions instead of dipping?

Also, right now I'm thinking Wam and Somi. I'm not getting any directional pings on moody but he reads unpaired with Wam so I'd rather Yeet Wam and reasess.

Also with Santy, but I'm town leaning them still. Speaking of which, do you have any reason for scum Santy other than the omgus accusation?

To clarify, I realized this was ambiguous about who out of wam and moody reads unpaired with Santy, but I meant moody.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:17 pm**

somi

D1
post 1: early game stuff and asks Santy about multiball
post 2: concurs with wording of town wincon, asks Thea about her self-restriction
post 3: response to Seven's flavor/setup spec
post 4: response about Fred's pfp, based on previous indication it is significant
post 5: Thea's method makes interpretation difficult
post 6: disagrees with Bessie about changing pfp, defers to wam about answer to worst's fearing Bessie
post 7: response to Santy's discussion of analyzing Fred's pfp
post 8: poking worst about fear of Bessie
post 9: Thea could be hiding behind restriction, votes Fred, repeats question to worst about Bessie
post 10: RL stuff
post 11: switches vote to worst
post 12: answers Mak about voting worst
post 13: answer to JC about reasoning on Fred's pfp
post 14: votals, reply to worst saying it was a joke

Took a few posts to get going, most direct interaction was with worst re fear of Bessie.

D2
post 15: no claim or chat
post 16: surprised Bessie has so many FoSes, asks Seven about not including (at the time) implicated Adum
post 17: RL stuff
post 18: Thea channeling BF, roll with it, on board with result on Adum, likes reply from Seven about result, town reads Mak

Still not seeing much deep probing, but that may be a style thing. Final grade +0.5

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:28 pm**

wam

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post 1: RV Madge for not having conf posts, flavor supports multiball
post 2: available for deadline
post 3: asks Seven and Santy for solve
post 4: don't meta the mods
post 5: answers Adum about post 3, votes Thea
post 6: asks worst about fear of Bessie
post 7: asks JC about Thea's posting
post 8: switches vote to worst based on fear
post 9: answer to Bessie about worst's fear, instinct on Santy based on Discord, talks with Santy about his meta
post 10: explicitly worst would only fear Bessie as scum
post 11: Santy lean town
post 12: explains read on Santy
post 13: concurs with JC's confusing re Fred
post 14: readslist with Adum town, Fred and worst scummy, has worst as first and second choice for elim
post 15: correction to say Fred is second choice
post 16: asks Thea about masons if Fred explicitly town
post 17: agrees with Seven about not false claiming masons as scum

Cynical View has some thoughts about that.

post 18: votals
post 19: prefers worst for elim
post 20: repeats concern from post 16
post 21: likes Santy white knighting him
post 22: response to Adum about Thea should know from neighbors vs masons
post 23: wants case from Seven re Mak
post 24: chat comment from Bessie not a slip
post 25: unvotes worst, asks Bessie about Fred vote
post 26: votes by players not on at deadline
post 27: extension request
post 28: pings Bessie
post 29: revotes worst
post 30: request vote count
post 31: no contest about extension
post 32: JC not votable
post 33: not moving off vote for worst
post 34: Bessie or Seven alternate votables
post 35: thinks there is one of them is scum
post 36: Bessie only one who is not on board with masons
post 37: wants case from Bessie re somi

Lots of questioning players early on, but Cynical View agrees with whoever it was who said it might be demonstrative.

D2
post 38: votes Adum following Mak
post 39: no claims to make
post 40: fluff
post 41: asks Santy about alleged vig they were going to do
post 42: claims no chat
post 43: confused by Fred talking about cults
post 44: tells Fred about other 3rd party roles
post 45: masons supported by traffic analyzer
post 46: asks Seven about Adum not being in her solve
post 47: assumes traffic analyzer is chat detection
post 48: repeats question in post 46
post 49: says Seven needs to explain her part in N1
post 50: asks Seven about specific result she implies she got
post 51: asks Seven about redirection and sanity
post 52: unvotes, says Seven confirmed as town

Like the attention to edge cases, even if it was a little late, but the "Seven is conf town" seems a bit of a stretch, especially how often we've been burned

post 53: mod question about sanity
post 54: votes Bessie based on EoD1
post 55: fluff
post 56: reading Adum as town due to reaction, JC and Mak weird
post 57: wants reads from Fred
post 58: asks Seven about her read on him
post 59: interrupted votables list
post 60: apology for posting incomplete list
post 61: fluff
post 62: answers Santy about sanities
post 63: asks Thea about reads of Mak and Seven
post 64: completes post 59, somi and Bessie scummiest
post 65: response to Thea disputing her putting Seven as scummier than Mak
post 66: rebuttal of Seven's read on wam, feels encouraging Seven to claim saved Adum

Final grade -0.5. Might be I'm not comfortable with his read on bessie.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:28 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:04 pm
Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer
If you're bored, how bout you ask some questions instead of dipping?

Also, right now I'm thinking Wam and Somi. I'm not getting any directional pings on moody but he reads unpaired with Wam so I'd rather Yeet Wam and reasess.

Also with Santy, but I'm town leaning them still. Speaking of which, do you have any reason for scum Santy other than the omgus accusation?

nothing immediately probative comes to mind to ask rn tbh I just need to see where people come out on this wagon and I'd prefer people start taking stances now instead of 12 hours before deadline or less. If we're going to debate the merits of multiple true considerations we need to get people to actually say shit with their chests and start voting this is literally why I fucking hate plurality games every sits on their ass until the last minute it is so a fucking annoying

I'm also just being lazy because I'm multitasking rn and this isn't a deep dive moment for the game, lot of shit needs to play out with all the info we have. Its time to turn the page

My yeet list is almost entirely POE based on what I think are plausible worlds. Seeing what happens tonight helps me narrow further based on expected play. Bessie is a gut read just based on her brief interaction with my slot. Moody I have a brutally hard time reading but find hes reasons for scumleaning me strange. Somi is true null to me. Santy is vibes and like they haven't done anything that overtly pings town to me and the slot is good enough to have to earn that shit so also null/light scum lean

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:29 pm**

Right now I have Mak and wam as votables. Would feel more comfortable about somi if he put up a T>S list.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:29 pm**

Stop being lame and start voting people if we need to actually closely examine close contenders let's get that process started now

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:32 pm**

See moody thinking I'm a play here is crazy to me adum like you have to be kidding me like how can a townie think this

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:33 pm**

Either I'm getting turbo snowed or I feel like moody and santy are weirdly like not on the same page

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:51 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:28 pm
Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:45 pm This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer
Elaborate on your Wam read , and why bessie/moody over them?
Have you read why Adum townread bessie? Do you plan on addressing that or are you pretending its a read that doesnt exist?

@Mak

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