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Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 2:59 am**

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:47 pm I think if you aren't able to look at my slot individually then the whole scum team case falls apart. Weak individual parts makes the whole weak. I think you don't want to look at my slot individually because you can't.

Immediate pairing, scumclaiming with little information, trying to start multiple trains, attempted sheeping, insisting on beating a dead horse re: Thea's reads, being the second to vote glue with no real case against him, asserting that Glue, Madge, and Thea are the scum team with little evidence, attempting to push more people to vote Glue, teamposting with Seven, pushing scum reads on Mak for no reason, and refusing to swap from Glue in order to force townies to swap to guarantee an elimination.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:13 am**

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:17 am
Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:43 am Anyone else ready to end the day?
What's the heury??

FTFY

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:14 am**

That was the 777th post btw

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:20 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:13 am
bessie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:17 am
Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:43 am Anyone else ready to end the day?
What's the heury??
FTFY

LOL

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:25 am**

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Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:10 pm
Seven:

What is unusual about this game is that Seven makes this read here, very early in the game (contrast here where he knew EGW was a wolf from post 1 and withheld so he could get buddy info)

This is the consequence of a different player list. A game with you, Adum, Mak, and Boom necessitated that I held my cards closer to my chest than typical. Additionally, there are two ways to avoid being meta-read: to play robotically consistently regardless of alignment (see bessie) or to make random alterations to play style. I adhere to the latter. You are aware of this, as we have discussed it. Even my confirmation post is calculated, as well as more subtle elements, such as the fact that I used "you are" rather than "you're" in the prior sentence.

He never really attempts to make a push and switches

This was explained [link]. It is more important to me that everyone has the chance to play and enjoy the game than it is for me to eliminate mafia right off the bat. Given how much effort was put into getting this game together and how long we have all been waiting, I did not want to make the game an EGW VS Me showdown.

and switches his read later without a lot of fanfare.

As has yours, thrice now. Reads change, and this point is illogical. You are doing the very thing you commented on George doing D1 in his Alli/Madge case, where you are assuming scum and reading scum motivation into it.

Note again the reference to somi in this last post, btw.

Why is it of note? George hard defended somitomi in Baldur's gate, and his somi defense here was reminiscent of it. You seemed to find his defense suspicious, whereas I found it to be somewhat town-indicative, hence why I included it in my updated read.

Unfortunately, the logic above [link] doesn't hold in this game

This is correct. It doesn't hold for any game. With this playstyle, I intended not to make any "I would/wouldn't do this as town/scum" posts this game, so I wasn't keen on correcting you. To my dismay, however, I broke that commitment when discussing my vote with Mak and therefore no longer feel the need to uphold it. I would very much hard-push town George as a wolf—you've seen me do so before in Sumting Sumting Mafia.

they ended up closely linked for most of the day phase.

Yes, George was following my votes and reads in his pursuit to pocket me. If you reread, you will see that it is always he following me, not the other way around.

I think Seven's push against EGW here was an attempt to give himself a fig leaf of cover if EGW were to flip later in the game, without actually putting EGW in any danger. Light distancing with no follow through, that allows him to still claim he had read EGW as scum but without having to do any of the heavy lifting of actually trying to make a case against him. Seven gets away with saying EGW is townie before the end of day, and they can happily townlock each other for the rest of the game. Seven is an excellent scum player and in particular is an excellent motivator of his scummates. He knows EGW's weaknesses as scum and I imagine has been giving him additional support in chat to elevate his play.

I am indeed excellent and would have no need to distance myself from George: he would never even make it to the chopping block.

A few other notes about Seven. One is this, where he interprets Wam's error of having EGW on his reads twice as scum indicative. As I noted at the time, meta on Wam is that he is a very good, careful scum player, and tends to be a lot more loose as Town--this within the realm of errors I would expect from him as Town. Seven even acknowledges that Wam is error-prone as Town later, so it's strange that his initial reaction to drop Wam in the scum pile for this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I feel similarly about his attempt to undermine my Town read of Madge. He doesn't want to have to put himself in a position to lock her slot as Town. I don't really feel like this is the sort of thing that Seven would ignore as Town, as he and I have a similar approach in looking for townslips and I think he would have found this and locked Madge in.

No, if scum!me wanted to eliminate Madge, she would do so regardless of how strongly you believed in your town slip. It's truly not that difficult.

I only looked through the bits in my section. If I find anything else I need to respond to when I read the rest of it, I'll do so.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:26 am**

That was fun. It's been so long since anyone has scum-cased me.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:37 am**

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:09 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:37 amYour WIM is also notably gone. Why is that?
Let's talk about this. Why should I continue to have WIM going into the next day with a failed elim? Why would you discount my WIM from Day 1?

Because I know it's difficult for you to maintain. And perhaps Mak not dying set you back in terms of motivation.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:42 am**

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:16 pm the point where Seven tried to force a no-elim by swapping multiple times with under a minute to go.

Incorrect, but forgivable since you weren't there. I swapped to heury in the last minute in order to secure an elim. Madge swapped off heury onto Glue at about the same time, causing me to hastily switch back.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:01 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:37 amBecause I know it's difficult for you to maintain. And perhaps Mak not dying set you back in terms of motivation.

That's very hard to believe. Are you still against looking into Somi for me? Especially since he hasn't posted as often as he did in Day 1. Are you still on Heury and Moody as scum at this point?

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:05 am**

I'll be busy in the morning, doctors appointment. I have an idea on who the scum may be, however I don't think it's Heury nor Moody. I think going in their direction is game throwing. Also Seven, tell me why you haven't discussed the night kill. I'm going to sleep for now.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:20 am**

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:01 am
Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:37 amBecause I know it's difficult for you to maintain. And perhaps Mak not dying set you back in terms of motivation.
That's very hard to believe. Are you still against looking into Somi for me? Especially since he hasn't posted as often as he did in Day 1. Are you still on Heury and Moody as scum at this point?

Heury, yes.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:39 am**

EGW wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:49 am
Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:15 am mad wtf at me getting shot I dont even think I was playing that townie last phase fml, maybe someone caught on to that and reasoned I was trying to a hide a PR

not the strongest PR of all time, psychic was passive and gave me the name and mechanics of any roles that targeted me at night. The only two roles to do so were the killing role and the treestump role so no one else went after me as far as I can tell and I don't know of any other PRs in the game sorry
Clutch af

EGW wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:43 am I also don't think the mak choice as Tree stump is odd.

is this you claiming to be the person who treestumped me?

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:09 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:37 amYour WIM is also notably gone. Why is that?
Let's talk about this. Why should I continue to have WIM going into the next day with a failed elim? Why would you discount my WIM from Day 1?

im lost what is WIM

thea's case is very thought provoking but I'm wary of it because it is very flattering to my early game intuitions which is a very clever way to make me be more confidently wrong if it's thea!scum and everyone I pushed early just happened to be town

fwiw I think EGW/seven as mates is completely possible this game, just extremely gambity play from them if that's what is happening to the point of it being an "all in" strategy imo which feel a bit more reckless than I'd expect but idk, I could very much be wrong. though when I read the case I couldn't help but think that heury could be the better 3rd mate pick. definitely feel what fred is laying down here:

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:16 pm
Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:10 pmThe scumteam is exactly EGW, Seven, and Somitomi.
Having just got done with the hammer post, I believe you have exactly one person wrong: EGW and Seven were protecting Heury at EOD, to the point where Seven tried to force a no-elim by swapping multiple times with under a minute to go. Full reads list within the next hour and a half (note, list will only be focusing on negative things, with one exception. Anyone not appearing on the list is either dead or has no scum posts from my POV.)

tbh Im overall just sussed out by the resistance to heury at EOD and seven and EGW realllllly waiting till the last second to move at all which just creates chaos and overall plausible deniability

I will say that I instinctually liked sevens response to thea's case better than EGWs. EGWs comes off more defensive and is more of a fully generalized objection, like it deliberately wants to avoid getting into the nuance of the case. I need to go back thru sevens though and re-read some of the quoted material for context

I don't like these responses in particular

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:56 pm Also, I'm totally fine with today being between myself and Thea. I think there is a dichotomy here, one of us must be scum. That's why I believe I wasn't killed in the night. I think Thea's progression towards scum reading me is ultimately forced.

can you explain what you mean why you think you weren't killed?|

final bit for now, I like this post:

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:46 pm @thea who in that team do you think your most likely to be wrong on?

and I am also interested in theas answer

heury I want your specific opinion on the likelihood of EGW & seven as mates independent of any 3rd, but feel free to discuss the prospect of the 3rd being you or somi =)

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:42 am**

I'm fairly certain that the treestumper has to be a town role, no scumteam would NK me AND stump me intentionally

thoughts on having the stumper claim? could be a useful clear and is likely low risk as I'd image the PR is "spent" at this point so they're functionally VT

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:44 am**

going to bed now but I will prob have some time late tomorrow to re-read thea's case and then seven's response in a bit greater detail and pull up the context of quoted shit as I work thru it

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:45 am**

Also it's just a few hours under 3 days till deadline guys just a heads up

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:06 am**

[My worry on Thea is the confidence levels seem higher than my gut read of their town meta.

I'm leaning huery

vote huery

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:00 am**

Mak: Yes it is.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:03 am**

I am the tree stumper. I have to name 4 names, and one of them will be targeted. If they are targeted by a dancer, they get priority. Becoming tree stumped means they are protected from dancer yet also not able to use actions. This is for Night 1 only.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:04 am**

I chose: Mak, Seven, Fred, Moody.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:07 am**

I intended to claim but wanted the day to play out before doing so. Still think it is odd Somi has yet to post. Will post more extensively later in the day when I return from doctor.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:11 pm**

Yeah, sorry everyone, I've been running on a suboptimal amount of sleep (because I'm an idiot) and random things keep pushing the game out of my headspace.

irrelevant rambling

Like today's been extra weird because I woke up before 3am to take my parents to the airport, then started work at the crack of dawn, which means I got home super early but I didn't yet know if I'll need to go help out a colleague of my sister with some home repairs today (she got ill recently) and with me watching my parents' house while they're gone, this complicates logistics. And also I'm runing on like four hours of sleep. Meanwhile my motorcycle is having a "fun" issue, I replaced the front brake disk and pads a couple days back and it decided to start jamming hard, which has now gotten to the point where I just took the entire brake off to inspect every single component

So yeah, I'm way behind on processing the mess that was EoD1 and I ony have one or two hours right now, so I'm not sure how far I'm gonna get on that. Until then, everyone on the Gluelock wagon is suspicious and yes, I know I'm one of them.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:00 pm**

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:03 am I am the tree stumper. I have to name 4 names, and one of them will be targeted. If they are targeted by a dancer, they get priority. Becoming tree stumped means they are protected from dancer yet also not able to use actions. This is for Night 1 only.

Interesting development.

I'll have to recalibrate and think about the implications of this, but I suppose that means we are likely in an AFK scumteam sort of world.

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:00 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:12 pm**

well fuck a duck

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:13 pm**

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