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Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:40 pm**

@Thea, if no restrictions, why didn’t either you use your ability N1, considering you had a high chance of being killed?

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:52 pm**

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:28 pm
Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:21 pm Thea , Fred what have you discussed reads wise in your masonchat and when?
Thea has notes, we have not discussed them.

Is there a reason on why are you not involved in making reads or trying to solve atm?,

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:54 pm**

Also, having a masonchat was perfect for explaining the reasoning / reads that you were putting behind the quotes. Im a bit surprised thag it wasnt taken advantage of in that way if that were your approach. But I have come to peace that looking at how you approached the game is not going to vibe well with me

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:54 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:54 pm Also, having a masonchat was perfect for explaining the reasoning / reads that you were putting behind the quotes. Im a bit surprised thag it wasnt taken advantage of in that way if that were your approach. But I have come to peace that looking at how you approached the game is not going to vibe well with me

(This was talking about thea, not Fred)

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:58 pm**

@somitomi where is your head at the moment? Could you share a readlist? Or just a quick sorting of the playerlist if you dont have much time would help me

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:51 pm**

Going by what we know so far, as long as Seven isn't lying and The and Fred are indeed masons, this leaves us with the following names to sort through. I'm leaving my name off since I know I'm town, but feel free to throw me in the mix if you feel the need to.

Somi
Moody
Bessie
Santy
Wam

From those five, I have to say Seven's list earlier of Wam, Santy, and Moody is possible. I've been getting town vibes from Santy, but I've been wrong before so I'm not doubling down on those feelings.

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:11 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:40 pm @Thea, if no restrictions, why didn’t either you use your ability N1, considering you had a high chance of being killed?

Neither one of us had confidence that our guesses would provide useful data

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:26 pm**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:51 pm Going by what we know so far, as long as Seven isn't lying and The and Fred are indeed masons, this leaves us with the following names to sort through. I'm leaving my name off since I know I'm town, but feel free to throw me in the mix if you feel the need to.

Somi
Moody
Bessie
Santy
Wam

From those five, I have to say Seven's list earlier of Wam, Santy, and Moody is possible. I've been getting town vibes from Santy, but I've been wrong before so I'm not doubling down on those feelings.

Why are you removing Mak?

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:37 pm**

Because of his comments toward what he thought of his night result, I don't see him making the comments he did and being as excited as he was if he were scum. Then the dial back when he realized he misunderstood the way the ability worked.

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:41 pm**

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:11 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:40 pm @Thea, if no restrictions, why didn’t either you use your ability N1, considering you had a high chance of being killed?
Neither one of us had confidence that our guesses would provide useful data

So you just did nothing?

I really hope the two of you are downplaying what you're doing in this chat of yours, because the more you talk about it all it seems to be is an alibi for one another.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:37 am**

What has two thumbs and procrastinated vote counts until it was like 8 pages of thread to catch up on?

Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Wam

Not voting: Adum, Bessie, JC, Moody, , Seven, Somi, Thea, Makhaira, Fred, Santygrass

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.

It is now Day 2. Night 2 starts in about four days, see countdown:
https://countingdownto.com/?c=5877027
This is 7am China time on Wednesday the 13th of November, which is 11pm (Tues) in London and 6pm (Tues) in New York.

Let me know if I miscounted anything because frankly I'm surprised that after all that there's only one vote in play...

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:38 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:50 am
-The offvibes I was getting from Wam are explainable if he and Santy are neighbors/Masons.
-Upon rereading, I like that he switched votes soon after sheeping Santy. That sort of vote hopping is more town indicative to me.

With these being your thoughts that lead you to scum read Wam...

Could the offvibes be if they were both scum, since we know they aren't masons/neighbors?

Could the vote hopping be because they didn't want to seem paired?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:07 am**

Alternate sanities for a cop would also be supported by the presence of masons acting as a miller for the chat finder, who might otherwise assume anyone with chat=scum.

Going to assume Adum, Fred, and Thea are town for the purposes of doing the player post-by-posts.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:17 am**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:07 am Alternate sanities for a cop would also be supported by the presence of masons acting as a miller for the chat finder, who might otherwise assume anyone with chat=scum.

Going to assume Adum, Fred, and Thea are town for the purposes of doing the player post-by-posts.

Do you think Seven reveals Adum as green if scum ?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:26 am**

For the record, I don't think Adum is cleared. I just think that the results nullify each other until we have more information. They should be ignored and we should read him by his play. If it's true that he was the night kill target, that would be a point in his favor, and clearing if we are dealing with one scum team.

I could see godfather!Adum having the same reaction to the results today if he was targeted by an insane cop.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:28 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:38 am
Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:50 am
-The offvibes I was getting from Wam are explainable if he and Santy are neighbors/Masons.
-Upon rereading, I like that he switched votes soon after sheeping Santy. That sort of vote hopping is more town indicative to me.

With these being your thoughts that lead you to scum read Wam...

Could the offvibes be if they were both scum, since we know they aren't masons/neighbors?

Could the vote hopping be because they didn't want to seem paired?

Right, knowing that they aren't neighbors and confirming that Santy doesn't have role information that was responsible for his shielding, the town points for Wam are largely nullified.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:39 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:26 am For the record, I don't think Adum is cleared. I just think that the results nullify each other until we have more information. They should be ignored and we should read him by his play. If it's true that he was the night kill target, that would be a point in his favor, and clearing if we are dealing with one scum team.

I could see godfather!Adum having the same reaction to the results today if he was targeted by an insane cop.

I really hate it when you do stuff like this.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:51 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:39 am
Seven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:26 am For the record, I don't think Adum is cleared. I just think that the results nullify each other until we have more information. They should be ignored and we should read him by his play. If it's true that he was the night kill target, that would be a point in his favor, and clearing if we are dealing with one scum team.

I could see godfather!Adum having the same reaction to the results today if he was targeted by an insane cop.
I really hate it when you do stuff like this.

Like what?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:51 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:41 pm
Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:11 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:40 pm @Thea, if no restrictions, why didn’t either you use your ability N1, considering you had a high chance of being killed?
Neither one of us had confidence that our guesses would provide useful data
So you just did nothing?

I really hope the two of you are downplaying what you're doing in this chat of yours, because the more you talk about it all it seems to be is an alibi for one another.

They're both one-shot

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:57 am**

Bessie

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D1
post 1: miffed at Madge for not letting her do her conf post thing
post 2: Woof-Grr list with wam, somi towniest after her, Seven scummiest. Given the tone and how early it is, may need to be taken with a grain of salt
post 3: dislikes Seven claiming, seems a bit wary of the worst, asks wam about why he thinks the worst is in fear of Bessie
post 4: Finnegan's Wake post
post 5: responses about Finnegan's Wake, likes Fred liking the book
post 6: JC and Bessie mindmeld, wants T>S lists from Mak and Fred (tilting at windmills there), rebuttals to her lacking content, positive read on worst, Thea non-elimable
post 7: Woof-Grr list with Fred and Seven scummy, JC and Thea townie
post 8: Thea town due to self restriction, reading reactions to Thea
post 9: 2nd reads based on gut
post 10: reactions to Adum asking about her reads
post 11: votes Fred, notes Seven's comment about her
post 12: comment to Adum about read of me, Thea's read of him
post 13: doesn't like Adum "gaming the mod"
post 14: sifts out the plain reads from her first Woof-Grr for Adum
post 15: asks Seven about her vote of Bessie
post 16: wants clarification about question Adum asked
post 17: alternate explanation for Thea's mason group
post 18: clarifying comment about Madge re chat that it wasn't about slipping
post 19: Fred's lack of utility still makes him vote worthy
post 20: worst not votable
post 21: reiterates point from post 19, somi and Seven also scummy
post 22: Seven given reprieve due to IRL reasons
post 23: personal stuff

Really like her interactions with Adum here, mostly on meta elsewhere

D2
post 24: upset at wagon on the worst, doesn't like how the Fred/Thea masons situation was handled
post 25: doubtful of result on Adum, doesn't like Mak's reaction, wam's vote, still entertaining non-town thoughts in Fred/Thea situation, reactions to other players, not happy with Thea's conclusion about her
post 26: Fred not only one Bessie starts at scummy, says she has no chat

Final grade +2

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:17 am
moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:07 am Alternate sanities for a cop would also be supported by the presence of masons acting as a miller for the chat finder, who might otherwise assume anyone with chat=scum.

Going to assume Adum, Fred, and Thea are town for the purposes of doing the player post-by-posts.
Do you think Seven reveals Adum as green if scum ?

I think, as Seven pointed out, we were also figuring that Adum was the protected NK (maybe 80% likelyhood or so) which would have led to us thinking of Adum as green so that scum!Seven would see no cost to confirming that given after the initial burst SoD we're not likely to elim Adum

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:58 am**

Vote: Bessie

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:11 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:51 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:39 am
Seven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:26 am For the record, I don't think Adum is cleared. I just think that the results nullify each other until we have more information. They should be ignored and we should read him by his play. If it's true that he was the night kill target, that would be a point in his favor, and clearing if we are dealing with one scum team.

I could see godfather!Adum having the same reaction to the results today if he was targeted by an insane cop.
I really hate it when you do stuff like this.
Like what?

Where I put my trust in you, then you say something that makes me question that trust.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:16 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:11 am
Seven wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:51 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:39 am I really hate it when you do stuff like this.
Like what?
Where I put my trust in you, then you say something that makes me question that trust.

I've been pretty open, so I don't understand, but it's fine.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:27 am**

JC

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D1
post 1: pseudo-confirm
post 2: likes posting volume
post 3: question about Thea's posting
post 4: Thea's posting movie quotes NAI
post 5: asks Santy about their read of JC
post 6: attempt to puzzle Fred's pfp
post 7: asks somi about his interpretation of Fred's pfp
post 8: fluff
post 9: comparison of Bessie in this game to last game as scum, Mak and worst town
post 10: says Santy is pushing Seven hard about Seven's wam read
post 11: Thea's posting frustrating for making a read
post 12: Fred as most votable, somi sus
post 13: asks worst about why he prefers Thea over Fred for elim
post 14: reply to worst about his response to post 13 citing vote count
post 15: Fred still most votable
post 16: asks Adum about voting Thea despite mason claim
post 17: votes the worst, keeping Fred more important than clearing Thea

Somewhat fluffy to start, some okay content later on, stances in post 9 vs post 17 a bit contradictory, but that was the way the wagon was going (although Cynical View thinks he was ambivalent on what JC sees as town v town wagons)

D2
post 18: claims no chat
post 19: asks Seven about her result re Adum
post 20: correction based on Seven's clarification about result
post 21: PoE list, Santy least likely to be scum on that list
post 22: answer's Santy about not having Mak on the list

doesn't seem like as solid a reason as claims to automatically discount Mak as scum

post 23: growing suspicion of Fred and Thea
post 24: rebuttal to Seven town reading wam/Santy
post 25: miffed at Seven
post 26: specifically due to shenanigans Seven usually pulls

mucho sympathy there

Final grade: -0.5

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:48 am**

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:51 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:41 pm
Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:11 pm

Neither one of us had confidence that our guesses would provide useful data
So you just did nothing?

I really hope the two of you are downplaying what you're doing in this chat of yours, because the more you talk about it all it seems to be is an alibi for one another.
They're both one-shot

It's more than just you using your NA.

I'm talking about the interactions between the two of you in your private chat. From what the two of you are saying, Thea seems to be saying stuff and you're not really doing anything with it.

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