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Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:22 am**

I know. I keep changing my mind. Current gut feeling.

Woof
Wisp
bessie
Madge
Wam
Zeniba/Seven
Suzaku/Märklin
patzer/WakeMeUp
the worst
SuperJedi224
Morgan
moody7277
MathBlade
Sabrar
Grr

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:27 am**

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:53 am Are you sure about Wam? I wasn’t there so I don’t have the feel of the end-of-day pacing, but with so many others appearing to want to stay on SuperJedi, do you not think it could have been an attempt to distance?

My feeling is that if that were the case, Wam would have just voted and dipped. But 15 minutes after his vote, one person had unvoted Jedi, and Jedi had switched to Sabrar, yet Wam came in and confirmed to Wisp that Jedi was responsible for the Loved mechanic. This to me affirms his intent to destructure the Jedi wagon.

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:53 amI can’t help liking the worst.

Samee. This one also gave me a chuckle:

the worst wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:45 pm
SuperJedi224 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:48 am Quick town/scum, will likely revise as the day progresses:

moody
bessie
madge
Wake
Wam
worst
morgan
seven
math
suzaku

I'd guess there's scum in worst/seven/math (currently hoping not worst but can't rule it out)
would you be willing to switch bessie & Madge, and then math & seven?
just for the first letter aesthetics

Though, I'm sorry tw, I do have to report you to the Duck Authority for failing to pun here :(

the worst wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am cracking me up

vote: Morgan (sorry for the spoilers)

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 am**

I have an avatar no time to read thoroughly but did a skim.

What is woof/grr??

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:36 am**

MathBlade wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 am I have an avatar

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:38 am**

Interesting. Why is Wam so high up?

@mathblade: woof/grr is bessies town/scum list. woof = town, grr = scum. it's just a cute thing she does

i'm struggling because i should sheep bessie and vote mathblade but i don't think mathblade has done anything scummy. the thing is i don't think anyone has done anything scummy EXCEPT FOR SEVEN WHO LIED TO US (grrrrrrrrrrr)

i'm really wary of voting morgan as they're in wisp's "likely town" group so of those two that's my pick

moody was scumread by both bessie and wisp so let's put some pressure ther:

vote: moody

(will reluctantly move to mathblade to save morgan)

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Madge's Notepad
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BESSIE'S READS SO FAR TODAY:
Morgan scummy
Seven not scummy

Woof
Wisp
bessie
Madge
Wam
Zeniba/Seven
Suzaku/Märklin
patzer/WakeMeUp
the worst
SuperJedi224
Morgan
moody7277
MathBlade
Sabrar
Grr

WISP'S READS FROM YESTERDAY:
Wants to kill Jedi (seems to want town to vig)
Last will was that they think wake/morgan/bessie/seven contains at most 1 scum
Previously had a scumread on moody that they kind of abandoned

CLAIM RELATED NOTES:
the worst visited wisp (claimed by Seven, recanted)
mathblade blocked the worst (claimed by mathblade, confirmed by the worst)
the worst doesn't have a targeting role (claimed by the worst)
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Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:00 am**

MathBlade wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 am I have an avatar no time to read thoroughly but did a skim.

What is woof/grr??

<3

madge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:38 am i'm struggling because i should sheep bessie and vote mathblade but i don't think mathblade has done anything scummy. the thing is i don't think anyone has done anything scummy EXCEPT FOR SEVEN WHO LIED TO US (grrrrrrrrrrr

I don't really understand your logic. You want to sheep bessie, except you don't like bessie's scumread, even though as a baseline you basically don't have a read on anyone? Or at least nobody sticks out as scummy. So why the hesitancy when you're already abandoning personal responsibility for your vote?

I don't want to bully you into voting anyone, I just don't understand how your brain is working through this.

Do agree that moody could do with a poke.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:03 am**

Also, no, there's no reason for you to sheep bessie at all. That's just something you decided, and you can decide not to do it (as you are currently demonstrating).

Y'all I used to be so much of a top poster I'd have triple the second top poster's post count and that's starting to bleed through again, whoops. Think I'm going to log out and close the thread until tomorrow after work.

I hope to see more from Suzakuslot/WMU/Wam/moody.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:19 am**

bessie wrote:What was a shocker? His elimination, or his flip?

The fact it was scum!Sabrar being eliminated D1. I'm not used to him being caught so easily. I'd like to think that had Jedi been elimed and flipped town, I would have been able to use that data point to push the vague suspicion about him into a vote, but that's speculation at this point.

As for being votepoked, would a claim be helpful to you? Madge and the worst can vote among themselves if they want one from me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:20 am**

I'm trying a new meta that involves sheeping dead townies and trusted living players. I trust bessie, but not as much as i trust wisp who is deaqd and conftown, and even if i trust bessie, she makes mistakes and i might know better than her

(i realised why she likes wam though if he was instrumental to the sabrar wggon)

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:25 am**

The downside of trusting dead confirmed town is that they aren't around to react to current events.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:41 am**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:19 am Madge and the worst can vote among themselves if they want one from me.

Juicy.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:50 am**

Hi, I apparently have been approved to play. Yay.
I'm Märklin, I've been playing forum mafia for about 3 years now, I think? I started on Chief Delphi (rip) and I'm now most active on Mafia451 but I haven't played in a long time, so I'm probably really rusty at this point lol. I think the last game I played was on smashboards, I think that included osie, wisp, and a few others in this game. I also don't know this forum software well (I prefer Discourse mainly for the interface and infinite scroll) so i'm definitely going to make mistakes.
Also just realized this is an XKCD forum, I love XKCD lol

@bessie yes I have an avatar, enjoy the chaos.

Let me know if y'all have any questions!

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 am**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:25 am The downside of trusting dead confirmed town is that they aren't around to react to current events.

yes so i also have my own brain which i use occasionally. i feel like wisp wouldn't mind the fake claim tho.

and dw i will probably abandon wisp tomorrow and go for whoever flips town overnight

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Madge's Notepad
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BESSIE'S READS SO FAR TODAY:
Morgan scummy
Seven not scummy

Woof
Wisp
bessie
Madge
Wam
Zeniba/Seven
Suzaku/Märklin
patzer/WakeMeUp
the worst
SuperJedi224
Morgan
moody7277
MathBlade
Sabrar
Grr

WISP'S READS FROM YESTERDAY:
Wants to kill Jedi (seems to want town to vig)
Last will was that they think wake/morgan/bessie/seven contains at most 1 scum
Previously had a scumread on moody that they kind of abandoned

CLAIM RELATED NOTES:
the worst visited wisp (claimed by Seven, recanted)
mathblade blocked the worst (claimed by mathblade, confirmed by the worst)
the worst doesn't have a targeting role (claimed by the worst)

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:31 am**

Actually, why I'm at it, @Seven why the fakeclaim?
Even though you retracted that claim, that's just inherently scummy to me.

Vote: Seven

(I hope I'm voting correctly)

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:59 am**

Hi gellnick, I've answered that.

@Moody if you're a comparison cop, your dropping of me makes even less sense considering I digging into both madge and tw.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:05 am**

Seven you've already had me out and outed a roleblocker. Stop rolefishing pls, I think you're town and your formidable ability with a claim fishing rod isnt helping.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:07 am**

the worst wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:05 am Seven you've already had me out and outed a roleblocker. Stop rolefishing pls, I think you're town and your formidable ability with a claim fishing rod isnt helping.

I prefer open information and moody already essentially claimed. No use keeping it hidden. What are you afraid of?

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 am**

The fact that games are generally balanced so that way a massclaim will help scum more than town? Like, let's just give scum a menu of the strongest townies for htem to kill at their leisure; how could THAT possibly go wrong?

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 am**

Osie designs setups very deliberately so that they can't be solved via claims alone. That means there's value in information being collected by roles, but also a very high probability that scum have some way to use knowledge of roles against players - I'd rather kick claiming as much as possible down the road towards maybe the day before ELo.

Nothing scares me except geese btw just rather work on day play and behavioural tells in a setup which is probably designed to punish solving via mechanics.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:11 am**

Madge literally taking the words out of my mouth. Figuratively.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:12 am**

madge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 am The fact that games are generally balanced so that way a massclaim will help scum more than town? Like, let's just give scum a menu of the strongest townies for htem to kill at their leisure; how could THAT possibly go wrong?

Curious considering your playstyle revolves around mechanics. And no offense but Moody's soft wasn't subtle, it's better to out the info he has on you two. I like that you're panicking.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 am**

unvote

sorry i missed moody's softclaim

it's NAI, imo. and i think better kept secret.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:18 am**

madge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 am unvote

sorry i missed moody's softclaim

it's NAI, imo. and i think better kept secret.

Vote: the worst

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:29 am**

live footage of seven

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I think I'm someone who should be in most peoples potential scum pool atm, but I think I'm a fairly poor elimination today simply on the basis that I should be able to get a clear tonight.

Posted: **Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:30 am**

LOL

To be clear, I agree that you shouldn't be eliminated. My vote™ is still on Morgan.

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