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heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:19 am I don't put much stock in anything except perhaps my financial stocks.

Updated with ahippo reads
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Does heury usually do these types of charts btw?

Santy I have seen Mak scum, which is why I was pushing him. He has snowed me and Boom before. Now, I'm thinking Mak is scum with you and Boom. His push on Bubbles still concerns me. Mak isn't really a presence today as much as I would like.

Scum - Boom, Santy, Mak

TehBubblez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:07 am Just hammer me it's fine, don't even want to play anymore anyway.

Thank you all so much for such a warm welcome here. I loved the chance to not play and instead be on a defensive backfoot this entire time, getting more and more frustrated at the pressure and absolute lack of anything I could do about it. You all took me saying "I play on and off" as apparently "I am good at this and played seriously at any point" which if that is the reads you are going with, damn good luck Town.

@Makhaira thank you especially for tunnel visioning and just refusing to look elsewhere. And now that your "egopicks" or whatever you call them are 0 for 4, maybe you should really re-evaluate your gameplay strategy.

Madge is protecting one scum for sure within hippo, fred, and heury, but other than that you all have my reads.

Thank you all for solidifying the fact that I hate this game and just get angry at it and don't even know why I signed up for this tbh.

have fun

Unvote, Vote:TehBubblez

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now Im conflicted

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:01 pm Santy I have seen Mak scum, which is why I was pushing him. He has snowed me and Boom before. Now, I'm thinking Mak is scum with you and Boom. His push on Bubbles still concerns me. Mak isn't really a presence today as much as I would like.

Scum - Boom, Santy, Mak

That is not at all what I asked you in regards to how scum!mak plays though

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:04 pm

TehBubblez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:07 am Just hammer me it's fine, don't even want to play anymore anyway.

Thank you all so much for such a warm welcome here. I loved the chance to not play and instead be on a defensive backfoot this entire time, getting more and more frustrated at the pressure and absolute lack of anything I could do about it. You all took me saying "I play on and off" as apparently "I am good at this and played seriously at any point" which if that is the reads you are going with, damn good luck Town.

@Makhaira thank you especially for tunnel visioning and just refusing to look elsewhere. And now that your "egopicks" or whatever you call them are 0 for 4, maybe you should really re-evaluate your gameplay strategy.

Madge is protecting one scum for sure within hippo, fred, and heury, but other than that you all have my reads.

Thank you all for solidifying the fact that I hate this game and just get angry at it and don't even know why I signed up for this tbh.

have fun

Unvote, Vote:TehBubblez

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now Im conflicted

i think the frustration is 1000% real , and it sucks they felt that way .
But like, is it towny frustration or mafia that didnt know how to defend themselves is moreso what Im circling on. I think the overblow of Mak tunneling is scummy, but the autovote is really towny. But also I really hate the fact of townreading something that goes against your own win condition *regardless of alignment* . But overall I just feel unsure hm.

I don't remember. I actually thought he did with Somi in the game he was scum with him but I couldn't find it. What I found was Boom doing alot more (as town) there than here. I do think Mak has made a similar post before and that was what Initially pinged me.

That was town frustration.

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:28 pm

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:20 pm Could be corrupted and devoured are just flavor verbs for kills. 2 scum teams, scum and vig, ect

That makes the most sense to me too

Bop I get from your previous post that you have probably more knowledge of flavor . So would appreciate if you think the corruption/devouring in your speculation could fit more into scum/serial killer/vigilante or other? type of faction/roles ?

In my mind Bessie was the more obvious "mafia target" to put it some way while moody wasnt that much townread or has much of a threadpull to be considered as a n1 kill, but them also being turned into treestump (possibly by someone else? or also an effect of the role that killed them? ) is making me wonder. Or like, it could be possible that Im tripping and moody was popping off D1 with their reads and should be taken in consideration as well

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:40 pm

somitomi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:05 pm

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:37 pm Nevermind, careful reading was sufficient.

I'm aligned with a lord of calamity.
I'm from Bersaria.

In retrospect this makes me a Miller depending on how cop works in this game.

Why did you decide to claim this?

I was almost certainly the cop target last night seeing how the day ended. So just in case the cop is some sort of flavor cop it seemed prudent to full claim my flavor since it seemed a little wonky.

Unless you have mech pointing to you that way , this is just... super self aware in a bad way? Not a fan of this entrance D2

omg I just realized I misinterpreted bessie timezones post as a readlist and the reads were above yesterday I was high or something what the f was i reading jesus

Santy what is your read on Mak? With reasoning.

ahippo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:34 pm Doin' a bit of catch-up here. Did anyone claim to get my motivate? It's very possible it was blocked, and afaik, the target has not spoken up yet. There might be a good reason they're not saying, but I was hoping that person could confirm they were motivated. Would help my case re not being scum.

Did you say who did you try to motivate?

I read that later you said you were blocked , but still could be potentially useful to know who your intended target was

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:30 pm Santy what is your read on Mak? With reasoning.

I do think that Mak push , and overall motivation / attempts at wagon movement were towny. I am sheeping as well Laser confidence on Mak . But also I reckon that I have to reread Mak because the fact that I was assuming they were flipped town might have biased me when reading their post tbqh. Close to EoD I noticed them kinda shielding Frog basically by their experience and pushing Fred. So like I do think that there is totally reasonable that a world exist in which you are totally cooking and Frog/Mak are actually both mafia

Can you quote Lasers confidence he had on Mak for me.

F.e. I remember really liking Mak reaction and shield to Hippo claim, matched my reasoning to a thee and I was just mentally riding on the "hell yeh we double towning this up" and forming a towncore with mak and hippo.
But as scum its possible ig that it just TMI on Mak's part of the claim just being genuine. Do I think is likely? Not much, since its more towny than not. But not locktown material which was the way I was reading it

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:27 am Quick updated reads for posterity if I get bodied or if I end up as a compromise elim.

Town
Mak
ahippo
Heury
Madge
Sabrar
BoomFrog
Bubbles
Wam
Bessie
JC ------ null
Moody
EGW
Fred
Bop
Scum

I mean, just look at who is the top town here. If thats not a confident townread I dont know what it is

And last game Laser correctly and confidently townread Mak (while I was more suspicious of them) so Im giving their read weight since they have more meta and just trusted that read.

Skill Issued Santygrass List

Town
Moody (turned into a treestump N1, town neighborizer)

ahippo
Mak
Bop
Sabrar
heuristically_alone
Madge
EGW
Somitomi
JC
Boomfrog
Wam

Scum

Probably something like this If I had to sort the playerlist rn. Not fully sure, still feel like I need to feel the game/players a bit more. Hippo is my town never rescind read. And the last 3 names where I should feel we should focus today. Maybe somitomi as well but they also subbed in today and still feel conflicted on bubblez
I do feel like Sabrar is right in their assesment of EGW focused view in just being sure of hippo scum and forming all their reads shift their view dependent being kinda towny although It was such an antivibe for me. Mulling over it but gth can be town. their recent shift on them and me kinda seeing why they thought mak+frog could be scum also helped me a bit in seeing the possible town angle there

For now Im going to shift to

Unvote: EGW
Vote: Wam

EGW wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:42 am Bessie's read post: Reads

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With that, I'd think scum kill her for her Wam read. It's possible they killed her for mentioning Boomfrog seems different. Yet, there was more pressure towards Boom from myself and Heury. So, I think it's partly that, and her Wam read. Also possibly because she was correct on hippo + wam. I feel it's something like that which would make her a valuable kill for scum. They know she'd tunnel one of them, and would be a good support on their wagon.

EGW wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:46 am Nothing about Wam pings me as town, and this is the only post I can glean from him, and it just pings as weird. Wam

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:12 am I think I'm changing Wam from scum to null. Reading Laser wrong, I sort of POE'd Wam since I struggle to read him. Santy feels more of a hit than Wam.

im going to need more elaboration on this shift regarding Wam, specially since I kinda liked what you pointed out in regards to Wam / bessie legacy , and dont feel like you solidifying a read on my slot should really be enought to move Wam? Specially since the things u said about Wam still aply?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:55 am @wam Day two, please give us a more detailed read than "this is normal" for JC

Was this answered btw?
If it was I totally missed and would appreciate if Im directed to the reply of this @Wam

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:20 pm

boomfrog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:45 am

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:15 pm JC
Low content but that's normal and I like what is there.

What do you like about JC's content?

I liked the question her to you https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=84470#p84470

The tone of this one felt townie for a reason I'm struggling to articulate. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=84504#p84504

Throwing out gut reads here https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=84904#p84904

That was pre my reads. Post then I like

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=85111#p85111 this is someone trying to solve

And poking here https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=85301#p85301

I don't like this https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=85361#p85361 has two aspects that are hinting at tmi

That's all the responses I believe I owe.

Nvm I found it by myself , disregard

Reading through the quotes/elaboration It kinda does feel like a very charitable read / approach towards JC looking at their placement. But not *that* bad at least?
But like, throwing gut reads , or them being someone trying to solve to reply to an Ate post with a question and not articlating their own read on that slot at all arent very good things/arguments idk. I had liked that JC seemed to have a kinda independent view/solve , but the reasons you give for JC here are kinda standard and doubting if it warrants that townread.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:01 pm heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

Also JC can you elaborate on this for me? Like, I want to know your heury read progression .

I do think it is kinda a scumtell for mafia to indy read someone they see as sus and they *know* they arent mafia. So Im curious as to why you had this read on heury

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:03 pmim going to need more elaboration on this shift regarding Wam, specially since I kinda liked what you pointed out in regards to Wam / bessie legacy , and dont feel like you solidifying a read on my slot should really be enought to move Wam? Specially since the things u said about Wam still aply?

LaserGuy was my weakest town read at the time. I was starting to doubt it, which is why I wanted Sabrar's updated read on him. So essentially I moved Wam back to null, along with Hippo. I have read Wam incorrectly before. So I just had Wam as third scum due to process of elimination due to how I struggle reading him, but re-evaluating my read on you made the pieces not fit. Why vote Wam over Boom for today? Also since you have Boom before Wam, can you elaborate on your reasoning for them as well?

So its more of you trying o have a solve of three and moving up slots if Im interpreting it correctly ?
Like from what you say it isnt that you read Wam in a better light, and moreso "well I think this can be scum more" and putting that slot instead on your envisioned team? If that is not the case Im lost in what specifically made "the pieces not fit" .

For Boom in specific both you and Sabrar are already pressuring there. And as I said D1 I liked their progression on heury / pressure meld on the bubblez slot; also them noticing the Wam/JC following what Fred noticed D1 as well I liked a bit. I disliked their entrance D2 and am aknowledging mostly Sabrar case and both them + you thinking they could be off is something I have in mind as well. I lean scum there , but could see me being wrong and doesnt fit that well with the other people at the bottom in my reads (Bubblez/Somi - JC - Wam) .

Wam is moreso their takes this game just feeling not much involved , UTR vibes + sheeping bessie suspicion there as well. For reference, this is the ordered readslist I have from bessie last readlist

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Woof

Bop
Makhaira
Madge

Sabrar
Boomfrog
heuristically_alone
TehBubblez
EGW

LaserGuy
ahippo
JC_DADDY25
Wam

Grrr

Which contrasting with my own reads , makes me think that if bessie was targeted by scum , JC and Wam are the most likely candidates, which are just the same two slots Fred notices or signaled before dying D1 as well.

@sant

Your right I'm less involved this game. It's wine but TBH I'm less involved in games as town than scum. ,one of thoez who have played with me a lot cab confirm. Also I do have a lot going on IRL. Should be good from Monday though.

But TBH if my elim is needed to clear the confusion and find scum that's life.

I do think your being too obvious about bessie found wam and jc scummy one of them must have shot her. I always think NK analysis is v hard to get right and leads down the wrong paths