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A. Don't take anything Cynical View says about you personally, he has Adum as lean scum.
Hey gorgeous! Woke up asking myself what would super too obv Mafia say? And look at everyone who immediately jumped on it. *Cough cough freddino and seven cough cough*.bessie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 6:16 pmHi handsome! Can you elaborate on this thought?!heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:46 pm Oh not Makhaira! That was so unexpectedly unexpected and not foreseen at all!
Theallieza needs to give us this "plan" today before getting more "results" for me to believe this claim.bessie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 6:16 pmPlease elaborate on this too. I don’t follow how this quote from Theallieza alone is scummy enough to warrant a vote, so you must have additional reasons.heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:48 pmLolTheallieza wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:36 am Speaking of which, I have been thinking a lot about this game during the night phase and I think I have a solve that actually makes sense and I feel like explains a lot of why this game has been feeling so off to me. I'll probably take a day or two to assemble my notes and see what else shakes out from the Night, but I will be looking for your feedback when I get there.
VOTE: Thealissa
Going back to comment on this. I interpreted madge's question as we know the song exists, but is the game going to be themed after the song or have its own theme.Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:51 pmApparently it's a line from the song Human by the Killers. No idea what the significance is.
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:19 amThis is an incredibly accurate description of Madge
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:24 amClaiming no soul. Now the question.... Do dancer have soul?somitomi wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:55 amI might be missing something but I don't see the claimheuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:43 pm Bessie claiming right out the gate? What a miracle
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:22 am I don't think I've ever been so absent minded that a game exists such as this one.I only wish it was ever strategic
Yes you do
100% agree. Though this game I haven't even been lurking.
Readsssssssss
Human
EGW
Somi
Heury
Madge
Freddino
Human or Dancer
Makhaira
Wam
Gluelock
Seven
moody
JC
Dancer (yes I'm making it about me me me)
Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.
Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me
When is deadline?
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:01 am *ebwop
Gluelock is too willing to be voted for inactivity, so slight town lean
It is factually incorrect.Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:48 pmWhy do you have yourself only 3rd on human side?
When was bessie buddying you?Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.
How so?Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me
I am reading others as more human than myself.
There's text from Bessie that feels from her just for me. I tend to town read Bessie immediately, so feels like expecting/wanting me to town read her this game. Though now that I think about it, town Bessie would want that too.
Thea at least twice has emphasized how we should expect their tone to be different as this account that other account, thus insistent that we don't scum them based off of being different that perceived town meta.
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:01 am *ebwop
Gluelock is too willing to be voted for inactivity, so slight town lean
It is factually incorrect.Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:48 pmWhy do you have yourself only 3rd on human side?
When was bessie buddying you?Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.
How so?Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me
I am reading others as more human than myself.
There's text from Bessie that feels from her just for me. I tend to town read Bessie immediately, so feels like expecting/wanting me to town read her this game. Though now that I think about it, town Bessie would want that too.
Thea at least twice has emphasized how we should expect their tone to be different as this account that other account, thus insistent that we don't scum them based off of being different that perceived town meta.
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:03 am Today willing to vote mak, moody or JC in no particular order. maybe wam if you pull my finger but town wam is so useful late game.
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:52 am I'm actually leaning on JC for my vote
VOTE:JC
Madge care to join?
I lacked it. I have it now. I'd be very surprised if you or heury flipped town at this point. I am ready to end whenever anyone else is.
Then you are definitely going to need to re-read. Yet I am in the same position as you. You probably just don't realize that.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:32 amI do recall discussion about the polarization of his play, mostly thinking that it sounded really bad to have town play so distinguishable from scum play.
bessie's response to theallizea's confirm post is funny considering the mostly non-serious stance that exclamation point=scum in those.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:50 amChuckle-worthy, as in "X is totally scum because they used an exclamation point.bessie wrote:Please clarify. Do you mean funny peculiar, or funny haha?
I was completely serious. See above." Even though I've seen it used several times, I remain dubious about the confirmation post analysis (most likely because I am not able to use the trick myself), but I'm not going to denigrate anyone who tries the method. I will note that this does make a tie between you and Thea.
Found this right away from Baldur's Gate from Seven's own keyboard about their opinion on EGW's polarization:Makhaira wrote:what specifically do you recall was claimed in that discussion that made EGW's townplay so distinguishable?
Bold mine. Exactly what the qualities are that distinguish town!EGW from scum!EGW in Seven's eyes is something you would need to discuss with them.Seven wrote:btw @Somi, the thing about Major League Baseball players is that they are MLachable precisely because of the lack of polarization between their scum and town play. Players like Ran are highly polarized: the discrepancy between his town and scum play is super obvious. In contrast, with Heury for example, his posts are blanketed in obscurity.
Got another chuckle from Fred's latest. RVS is RVS, and I'm getting a good town read on him now.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:56 pm bessie-- first post where some people are seeing a claim is not a claim, it's just her describing her playstyle. second post with her doing absolutely serious confirmation post stuff, only somi and Madge pass with everyone else no better than neutral.
Just to put this to bed, I did see that you read Thea as town based off the confirm, it's just that goes against the exclamation point=scum meme that I remember. Interactions with other players show nothing out of the ordinary. Rating: +11. You misread my opening post. I interpreted the explanation point as town lean, not scum lean.
EGW-- RV Fred, couple of pokes at Seven, using Thea's other name, votes Madge, thwart's Bessie's confirmation analysis, has different theory about Seven than Thea, read on Madge weakens so he unvotes, suspicious of Glue's timing on his first post, also sus of wam (Cynical View is curious about him picking the heretofore lurkers.) Asking for uncertain players to proxy with him, motivated by majority to elim rule (which is a source of so much stomach acid). Rating +1
Fred-- RV EGW with comedy, revokes it after getting response by Mak, worried about people not being "on theme", some rule spec, doesn't like EGW proxying people, votes EGW for real. I liked the looseness at first, but at this point he's staying a little fluffy. Rating: +1
Glue-- first post just after asking for him to be prodded (which I do agree with EGW is odd), immediately votes Madge. Rating: -1
heury-- likes somi, EGW, and Madge reactions to posts, couple of other fluffy bits. Rating: -0.5
JC-- afk message, insufficient data
Madge-- positively giddy, votes EGW, thin reads list, unvotes EGW after saying it is semi-RV, setup spec, ratings based on activity, seems to want to elim lurkers. Rating: +0.5
Mak-- RV wam, pointed questions to several players, grumpy about lurkers, asks about Fred's vote change, how Seven thinks I'm polarized (which TBH surprised me as well), Seven showing no follow through on their solve, puts up votables list, votes me. Lots of scumhunting here, rating +2.5
Seven-- no link with Thea and Madge, confident that EGW is scum, votes him, thinks I'm scum too, and that me liking Fred makes him the third, votes wam (not in Seven's solve) for his reads post, no extension, weakens read on Fred after asked by wam. Rating: -0.5
somi-- RV Seven, likes the opening moves, comments on a few players posts, questions heury's post ratings, unvotes Seven, against lurker elim, debate with Mak over how closely somi was reading the thread. Rating: +1.5
Thea-- asks Bessie about her read on Madge and somi, EGW slightly town, corrects somi on interpreting reads and gives slight scum read, reaction to EGW's read on Madge
Here's the post I've been working the most re Thea and Seven. Inasmuch as I think of Thea as town, this post would force me to think of Seven as town as well, but based on my read above I don't have that certainty, which either means I'm getting snowed (meh) or a small chance they're scummates together (yikes).
reading Fred, Madge and Mak as town, votes me, dislikes EGW going after low content slots, wants extension. Rating: +1
wam-- controversial reads list with some duplication, votes Seven, explains EGW read as evolving from town to scum, switches vote to Glue, questions Seven about voting him despite having a 3-person scum team in mind, doesn't like Madge's mod question. Rating: +0.5
Which means, quoting SDK, my vote on Glue is now real.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:39 amOr it's because she castigated me for handicapping her like that last game.Seven wrote:Moody doesn't fail to give bessie a +4 or above unless he is scum.
I've already said that I can't follow your methods re confirm posts, but a wild guess would be Thea is intentionally invoking the meme in order to subvert it. Is that your thinking?Bessie wrote:Ok but do you get why I’m town reading Theallieza for it? This response pings me.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 12:02 pmGeorge=EvilGeorgeWashington=EGW, whom Seven also calls Ran due to that being his alias on the other server.Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:56 amI would like to remind everyone that I do not know everyone's names and I would prefer that people be clear who they are referring to.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:17 am Extension is nice in the sense I won't be groggy next day at work after staying up until 11pm, and hopefully we can get some more from JC as well as Gluelock.
Non-votables: Bessie, EGW, Fred, Mak, somi
Votables: Glue, heury, JC(depending on further content)
People not listed I would possibly switch to for the purpose of majority elim.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:20 amI'm not certain if it's a change or you and Seven just have big enough error bars on your reads that I'm not comfortable calling you definitely votable or not votable. Plus the contradictory points I'm getting from your analysis of Seven vs EGW earlier against the read of Seven I did is needling my brain.Theallieza wrote:What changed about your reads of me and Seven?
Why is somi Town?
My town read of somi was based on the variety of his player interactions, which I saw Mak also had but in a higher degree thus the higher rating on Mak. Post-by-post is something I think I'll start doing D2.
I agreed with EGW's point that Glue's emergent post had a highly suspect timing, his content since may do something to temper that, but I'm not recalling much to do that. Heury's been pure cotton candy. JC is probably the least votable of the votables, when he actually puts up some more posts I'll have an actual read.somitomi wrote:Can you talk about the reason these three made the votables?
The only problem with waiting for D2 info is that you'll likely be disappointed by how much D2 info people actually give.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:29 am JC
post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town
Biggest thing I notice is the huge preoccupation with Fred, which in players not named bessie I find odd. Reads in the last post are a little ad hoc. Rating -0.5
moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:21 amDidn't already have a read on him (my big reads post had him as insufficient data), he's since put up enough to where I figured I could make some judgement, and he's laconic so that post only took me ~20 minutes to compose.Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:19 amWhy did you start with JC here? This seems like an odd choice.moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:29 am JC
post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town
Biggest thing I notice is the huge preoccupation with Fred, which in players not named bessie I find odd. Reads in the last post are a little ad hoc. Rating -0.5
How's that going?Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:53 pm I found a new method, but it exclusively gives scum reads, so anyone not on the list will be town
Heury is openwolfing and you don't get any scum pings from him? Mmhm.
You weren't there when I pushed a Town Heury off a cliff? You seem to be scumreading me for not agreeing with your read. Yet you are also unwilling to look at Somi. I also am saying I don't think Moody is scum. This doubt however strengthens my town read on you. Town Zen + Town Ran have not played in a game together for a while now.
Every post Heury has made today is wolfy. If it wasn't non-bastard, I'd suspect he was a Jester. It's not believable to me that none of it is pinging you.EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:30 amYou weren't there when I pushed a Town Heury off a cliff? You seem to be scumreading me for not agreeing with your read. Yet you are also unwilling to look at Somi. I also am saying I don't think Moody is scum. This doubt however strengthens my town read on you. Town Zen + Town Ran have not played in a game together for a while now.
I disagree.
You seem to have quite the paranoia if you decided that scum me can't do something and then for some reason decided I could. Get your head straight and realize I'm town here.
I voted you from my scum reads. calm down.heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 1:58 am And look at everyone who immediately jumped on it. *Cough cough freddino and seven cough cough*.
I'm sorry that while I was doing my detailed reads, I got through 6 pages, then y'all made 8 more pages of content? 6 - 8 = -2
