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The thing you have to understand about Town George though is that he is legitimately physically incapable of doing this, even when he has the motivation to do so. He's received this advice several times, heck six years ago in that thread that Adum linked, yet you've played with George several times since he's received that advice, do you think he has adhered to it? I have hydrad countless times with him, I know how he works. Town Ran has so much town fire that he just can't contain it. You can see that in Sorcerer's. His play here is NOT the same in that game. As Blue said he is very much just using that idea of posting less as a way to cover himself.Seven wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:13 amYour play was great. My only critique is that you formed your readlist around unproven theories about how mafia would interact. There were many alternative reasons for e.g. J's posting, but you made the assumption that he and heury were aligned when you didn't know either of their alignments individually. I do this too for what it's worth. But yeah, my only advice would be to slow down and refrain from needing to have the entire solve at the end of the day based on connections. You should focus more on individual play rather than how people are playing around each other on Day 1.
Votes the new person to the forum, easy target. [Compare: Voting for blue]ranmaru, post: 21754222, member: 91361 wrote: Vote: Ro Laren
Talks about basic things like her post format [Compare: Voting for blue because his numbers intro and then about his flavor/natural format]ranmaru, post: 21754324, member: 91361 wrote: 1. Why did you copy this format?
2. What gave you this impression?
Stale verbiage. [Compare: the block of questions from EGW that heury quoted. Stale, few words, punctuated.]ranmaru, post: 21754384, member: 91361 wrote: No answer.
Going after the player for thread viewing related reasons. [Compare: preoccupation with Blue being on invisible]ranmaru, post: 21754407, member: 91361 wrote:
Vote: Ro Laren
For viewing and not answering my questions, which helps stagnate the RVS phase.
FOS: Xatres for using his vote on a non-player, which doesn't help us find scum.
Town vibes: Marshy, Adum, Kary
Null vibes: J
You don't think scum seven would call out provable solid town? A town slip looks super towny to catch. Really good scum would want solid town reads.boomfrog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:05 pm
Seven
@EGW: There's is 100% no chance that Seven and Adum are buddies. Seven's case against Adum is the only possible weakness wolf!Adum has in his play. There is no way Seven brings it up when no one else has expressed concern. Throw out all theories that require them to be buddies.
That said, Seven has had two townie moves. One is town reading me for my memory lapse. Scum!Seven could have saved that in his back pocket for later since it looked superficially scummy. His other is claiming the "townslip" about Moody. He thinks he's right (more on that later), but regardless he thinks it's legit. Scum!Seven wouldn't want to give Moody a free confirmed townie card if Moody is town. And scum!Seven wouldn't try to pass off scumbuddy!Moody as town on a slip that he expects me to challenge him on.
Me me me!Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:37 pm sorry one more post and I'll try to post less
sorry T_T sorryBluelock is town and I will die for himEGW wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:29 pmThis just shows Gluelock has a lack of motivation to actually answer the question.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:07 pmI'm kind of annoyed that I clarified very shortly after you asked for clarification ,then when you came back you didn't respond.
btw I'm a neighborizer, who wants me to target them tonight?
Ah 'Johns' is a very community specific term I see. But before I address the question, I'll quickly address the speculation behind why I didn't answer it sooner. And that's an easy one, I simply glossed over the post defining the new terminology. EGW's paranoia, and assumption that I was intentionally avoiding it was one of the townier things I've seen from him.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:32 am System.out.println("
Sorry, smashboards term, John was a player who famously made excuses for all their losses so excuses began to be called "Johns" among English speaking players.
But basically I'm asking you why you think it was intended to excuse scummy play before being called out on it, what other possibile reasons it could theoretically hsve, and why you rejected those reasons?
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No, I am capable of it. One time I even got eliminated as town. Whose Mafia Is It Anyway.
Is there any other relevant possible motivations, even if you discounted them? Make sure you've looked back at the post.Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:08 pmAh 'Johns' is a very community specific term I see. But before I address the question, I'll quickly address the speculation behind why I didn't answer it sooner. And that's an easy one, I simply glossed over the post defining the new terminology. EGW's paranoia, and assumption that I was intentionally avoiding it was one of the townier things I've seen from him.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:32 am System.out.println("
Sorry, smashboards term, John was a player who famously made excuses for all their losses so excuses began to be called "Johns" among English speaking players.
But basically I'm asking you why you think it was intended to excuse scummy play before being called out on it, what other possibile reasons it could theoretically hsve, and why you rejected those reasons?
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Anyways for starters, when you ask for alternative explanations that I thought of and reasons for dismissing them, the straightforward answer is just that I didn't explicitly sit down and consider other possible explanations before typing my post. Thats just not how I approach solving.
Now I likely did have some unconscious, intuition based calculations going on, and I'll attempt to retroactively deconstruct the thought process.
So here are a couple reasons that I could figure someone would make an excuse preemptively.
1. They are deviating from their natural town playstyle a bit and want to address it first before others bring it up and read it as scummy. This could either be from actual scum or from town.
- If town (or just not scum), they maybe do this unintentionally and not realize they're making an excuse. Just typing from the heart and that was what came out. -- I reject this because EGW seems like they're too experienced to not realize what they're saying like that. [ /list]
2. They are attempting to build trust with other players. By openly acknowledging a deviation from their norm, they demonstrate transparency and a willingness to be held accountable.
- If Scum, then its to prevent his change in behavior from being used against him later. -- What I originally posit.
- If town (or just not scum) they're trying to signal their town status to others. ( This is the most likely reason if they're town)
3. They are trying to avoid accountability. The "pre-john" could be a simple way of deflecting future responsibility away from themselves when the threadstate dictates that they shouldn't intervene (think like of situations where town is about to lynch another townsperson)
- If Scum, well, I shouldn't have to explain why gaining the trust of town is beneficial for them...
1 and 3 are wolfy reasons to me and 2 is a 50/50 WIFOM situation. And remember, it was less sophisticated versions of the above arguments that were likely swirling around in my head at the time and influencing me arriving to the conclusions I did. Hopefully, this helps you understand the calculus behind my intuition.
underlined should be "throw", not through.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:11 pm System.out.println("
If end up deciding the TMI paranoia is too great a risk of a mechanical loss, after I flip those are the ONLY people you're allowed to lynch from. Plus obviously whoever from the "holding reads to not corrupt responses I through in there.
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?You still scum tho. Vote JC with me.EGW wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:13 pmNo, I am capable of it. One time I even got eliminated as town. Whose Mafia Is It Anyway.
Just asked a follow-up here: viewtopic.php?p=52008#p52008Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:20 pm Okay, I need to start getting ready. I'll check back in a couple more times but I won't be here at all in a couple hours. I may peek from phone a bit but not respond to anything. So ask questions now, or if I missed something else you want answered remind me now.
Yet their interaction is weird. Have you thought about the fact that Adum brought up that Zen was salty when referencing his push on himself? I would consider what you say more here if Zen actually seriously believed Adum was scum there, yet he backed off. I personally didn't think the memory lapse seemed scummy, seemed like a mistake especially since overall your actions have been townie so it doesn't make sense for me for anyone to consider pushing that, even Scum. I think that moody townslip is irrelevant because he could change his read down the line if needed, just as he did with Bessie just now.boomfrog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:05 pmSeven
@EGW: There's is 100% no chance that Seven and Adum are buddies. Seven's case against Adum is the only possible weakness wolf!Adum has in his play. There is no way Seven brings it up when no one else has expressed concern. Throw out all theories that require them to be buddies.
That said, Seven has had two townie moves. One is town reading me for my memory lapse. Scum!Seven could have saved that in his back pocket for later since it looked superficially scummy. His other is claiming the "townslip" about Moody. He thinks he's right (more on that later), but regardless he thinks it's legit. Scum!Seven wouldn't want to give Moody a free confirmed townie card if Moody is town. And scum!Seven wouldn't try to pass off scumbuddy!Moody as town on a slip that he expects me to challenge him on.
Xiivi has not played in years, there is no reason for Adum to confuse Seven with this.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:59 pmCause I was wrong and thought seven was xivii. New analysis, Zen is salty about a past game.
Sorry, quoting the whole thing because I can't easily break it up on my phone. Thanks for your read on heury. That told me what I needed to know.bessie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:01 pm Woof good morning! Picking up approximately where I left off.
If you attempt to read this game, I was town for the first part of the game then then my alignment was changed to one of the two mafia teams.Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:27 amThe only ones I can think of are in the difficult-to-read archive versions that we have that I linked. Crossover mafia would be the go-to. A game that also highlights the insanity that is BoomFrog.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:11 am @anyone can feel free to do it too, give comparably fast moving games where Bessie wasn't in a hydra so I can compare her play to them.
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This is the last complete archived game in the Wayback Machine, and this was considered heavy content for xkcd. I was town.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170804225 ... 8ea5266248
I replaced into this game. I was in Hawaii for a funeral so had a rough start.LaserGuy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:58 am Pretty sure you and bessie were both in that game. bessie has been doing this for as long as I can remember, and I know that she did it for at least a little while before I started playing. I find it hard to believe this is the first time this has come to attention.
I am so disappointed in myself that I didn’t even consider this. I used to be a setup god.EGW wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:10 am I'm going to say it anyway, and then leave it at that. My thought process was that it's possible Zen is a traitor, and used that opportunity to signal to the scum team. Of course, I'm not going to use that as evidence for those three players being scum, because I can see what Bessie said as a possibility as well. Yet I think it's important I throw that idea out there, especially if Zen flips scum, and we read back on their interactions.
And what insights might you glean from this information? Do you think it is likely the entire scum team is voting as a block?
My thoughts on heury are similar to his thoughts on me. I see his content is typical of his D1 meta. I don’t see a lot of hesitation in his posts, which I like. I’m not concerned yet about the sloppiness in his responses because in my experiences, he’s sloppier more as town than scum. And he’s the handsomest player in this group.
I started out more suspicious of EGW but I currently have him as town. I feel that at the time of that post, he was making the most effort to understand me.
I think AdumbroDeus is also making an effort to understand me, but what holds me back on putting Adum higher is his insistence that I answer this:This is just not the type of read that is in my skill set do I am sort of lost as to how to go about it.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:10 am Also, could you give me your thoughts on me vs. Seven, me vs. Laser, and me vs. BF?
I think Zeniba is non-town. I feel her content is anti-town.
Seven is mafia and moody is following his cues.
You are again intentionally misreading heury.
Are you actually suggesting that mafia!moody would not try to distance himself from his mafia partner early in D1? Moody is not a newbie he is a very experienced and excellent player. FoS for this post.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:47 am Don't think this fits. Without day talk there's really no way for a scum to assert this kind of priority before the first night without being more obvious in thread unless they're so naturally dominant. In which case, why were they on Seven in the first place? A naturally dominant non-Seven scum giving moody their marching orders would make more sense.
Maybe try this game: viewtopic.php?p=16141#p16141AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:47 am Mafia games for comparison are useful, unfortunately none of the town games are fast enough to figure out if the differences between here and Sorc's make sense.
I appreciate the effort though, guess I'll have to read through the archive which I will definitely work on today.
I don’t think it meets your overall requirements for a fast moving game as such, but in that game I caught mafia on Page 1 and he deliberately tried to bury me in content through the entire game to discredit me. And it worked.
I’ve already presented proof in this thread that Seven’s own bolded line DID NOT HAPPEN as Seven is portraying it.Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:42 pm -The argument is not that bessie wouldn't resist voting somi. bessie would indeed resist voting somi if she is town.
-The argument is that bessie would not claim there is a near zero percent chance that she would vote somi
-It's the severity/degree of her statement that I'm scumreading her for. Town bessie would try to work around a potential scum read of somi, but if she was left with no other leads as strong enough alternatives to a scum read of somi, she would vote him for the sake of her wincon
-This is critically exemplified in that Newbie New Year Game I quoted. In that game, town-bessie was tunneled on town-somi, but also found mafia-peaceful whale (newbie) highly suspicious (as did the rest of the thread). Somi ended up claiming a PR so bessie had to abandon her tunnel on him and look for someone else to vote. As much as she wanted to avoid voting out a newbie Peaceful Whale that day, she was still willing to do it because we are playing mafia.
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I did not vote for Peaceful Whale even though I had a scum lean on him. I ended the day with a vote on Madge. There is no way you missed this. You are repeating the same false interpretation to try to bury my explanations and the proof that I presented.
Certain things tend to ping as scum to me that aren't always. I think I understand the situation now but wasn't going to talk about it at this point for reasons.
No. Also, I'm curious on your read that's developing on Gluelock.
