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Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:21 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:09 am Fred you are a strange man

Thea please full claim in detail including flavour, Fred do the same, cats already out of the bag give us all the details

What do you mean by the flavor? Just the character name, or do you want the 3 paragraphs of fluff?

character name, full role title, paraphrase of the specific powers both passive and active that you have

Do not screenshot or direct quote ANY communication you have from he mods EVER

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:33 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm
To be more clear, I interpreted the cop ability to be a one shot power the JOAT has, and based on that I think the likelihood of the result being insane/paranoid is very low. Seven seems to be confident that it was tampered with tho by tailor/framer so I am very interested to hear more about that

They had the traffic analyzer backup separating them, it was obvious they were distinct roles.

But again, you said you had a strong townread on me before this (as saying you didn't feel the pocket implied) and assuming you're town, you fell for it immediately, not reasonably anticipatable. That's why bloodthirst was NAI.

it was not obvious to me those were distinct for reasons I cannot go into yet more specifically than I blatantly misunderstood a specific thing and drew inaccurate conclusions as a result

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:25 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:16 pm Yeah adum I'm not giving any more info about my role for now, but I really think seven needs to come out with what he's got at this point so we can solve whether your public guilty result is fake/tampered with with a greater degree of certainty

He already said it was a cop result. She targeted me as a JOAT cop.

Also, I stated that I'm 99.9% sure I drew the NK last night.

you know who targeted you as cop? And you know it wasn't misdirected or anything?

I do not.

I'm hoping that misdirection would say "your target is x/did x/etc" and we can conclude based on it saying names that misdirection doesn't exist, but I don't have any role knowledge about misdirection.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:37 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:33 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:23 pm
To be more clear, I interpreted the cop ability to be a one shot power the JOAT has, and based on that I think the likelihood of the result being insane/paranoid is very low. Seven seems to be confident that it was tampered with tho by tailor/framer so I am very interested to hear more about that

They had the traffic analyzer backup separating them, it was obvious they were distinct roles.

But again, you said you had a strong townread on me before this (as saying you didn't feel the pocket implied) and assuming you're town, you fell for it immediately, not reasonably anticipatable. That's why bloodthirst was NAI.

it was not obvious to me those were distinct for reasons I cannot go into yet more specifically than I blatantly misunderstood a specific thing and drew inaccurate conclusions as a result

Fair.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:09 am Fred you are a strange man

Thea please full claim in detail including flavour, Fred do the same, cats already out of the bag give us all the details

I'm Old Joe from Looper. I am a mason with Fred, as I've said, who is confirmed Town in my PM, and we have a private chat. We both each also have a (different) one-shot loud power that neither of us used last night. I'm not sure that there's any benefit to revealing the details on that at this stage.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:11 am I'd like for everyone that is in a neighborhood chat of one kind of another to claim so. There are two reasons, the primary one being so Traffic Analyst knows who they can target without getting a false positive.

Is traffic analyst another name for chat cop? I haven't heard that before.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:17 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:58 pm I think I have worked out what you mean. But if I'm right you need to claim all the details as otherwise we are going to lose a day as without the details your not swining this elim no matter how good you think your persuasion skills are.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]

Each of these are separate actions by separate players.

Just to be abundantly clear in my understanding of this:
You are claiming to be the first JoaT.
You are speculating the second JoaT is a framer who targeted Adum.
Another player X is a cop who received a non-Town result on Adum.

Assuming I have this correct, my question would be, why do you think your result was not tampered with but the other cop's was, if the scum JoaT was targeting Adum?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:29 pm Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

I kind of agree with this TBH (assuming it's true).

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:31 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:24 pm The power to have the mod just publicly say whatever you want as truth is more bastardy than a public cop existing in the same game tailer/framer. At least those roles exist and public is an existing modifier.

This is a bastard game.

It’s not such a power.

Someone else is an investigative. They have some modifier (or were modified) in such a way that their result is public. They were also tailored.

I am assuming that most roles in this game are loud. That seems to be the gimmick that they are going for.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:58 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:09 am Fred you are a strange man

Thea please full claim in detail including flavour, Fred do the same, cats already out of the bag give us all the details

I'm Old Joe from Looper. I am a mason with Fred, as I've said, who is confirmed Town in my PM, and we have a private chat. We both each also have a (different) one-shot loud power that neither of us used last night. I'm not sure that there's any benefit to revealing the details on that at this stage.

Word ty

Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:00 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:11 am I'd like for everyone that is in a neighborhood chat of one kind of another to claim so. There are two reasons, the primary one being so Traffic Analyst knows who they can target without getting a false positive.

Is traffic analyst another name for chat cop? I haven't heard that before.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ic_Analyst

"A Traffic Analyst is an investigative role; its night choice is to choose a player, and the analyst will learn whether or not there are any players that that player can legally communicate with outside the game thread. (The identity of the people that the target can communicate with is not learned, nor is the content of the communications.)"

Seven come backkkkkkkkk

Hey Somi, I think you should say something.

I'm gonna say that I have my own thoughts on what Fred said that I'm gonna withhold til they come back.

I am not able to communicate with any one outside of this thread

I am James Cole, I am a town Mason with Thea, and I have an unused one-shot loud non-kill night ability

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Which part of what I said, Adum?

Btw Seven, you need to counter immediately in the future. I realize you were trying in a soft sort of manner, but Jesus

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:37 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:36 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:35 pm Explicitly a town result, yes.

And was it adum is town or your target is town? Just wondering about redirects.

Adum look after yourself!

Could it be an insane or parnaoid cop?

Explicitly Adum.

I'm on my phone during break at work so can't go back and quote everything, but from what I can tell you got a a town result on Adum, explicitly Adum, but it isn't your result...

So you got this from someone else?

It was an interesting sort of Rorschach test to see how people interpreted my quotes. By and large I was trying to answer things as straightforwardly as possible within the confines of movie quotes, so it was interesting to see how much ambiguity people elected to see. I was honestly hoping for a little bit more people engaging in my content and trying to understand what I was saying instead of just claiming it was all a mystery. Maybe I was overestimating how easy it was to interpret them because I knew what I was trying to say.

Here's my rough thoughts on where everyone stands so far. If there's anything else specific anyone has been dying to ask of me, I'm happy to answer in detail.

Santy most obviously seemed to go out of his way to interpret my posting in the least chartiable light possible, consistently misinterpreting or misrepresenting what I said. I had them picked as likely scum fairly early in the game as a result... this approach is not townie and although Santy is relatively new to the forum, I expect a player of their calibre to do a better job of parsing my posts than the obnoxiously bad faith approach they chose. I'm noting the Vig claim and don't really care about it as far as alignment is concerned.

I have similar feelings about Seven who I felt of all people in this game should have had a reasonable idea of what I was attempting to do and why. I gave him a bit of pass D1 because he was sick but he was pinging me quite a bit for most of D1 because I don't reasonably think he should have found my play much worse than null. Generally, low-key passive play is a bad look for Seven though. OTOH, I didn't catch this earlier, but this strongly implies Seven doesn't have any chat partners (chat is on Discord not through forum messages), so at worst he is unaligned.

Wam's posting looks very tight and well put together which probably means he is scum this game.

A lot of people were asking me about JC, which, IDK, he has seemed more coherent and solid than any game I have ever seen him in, so I felt that was worth a Town lean. It's possible that he is similar to Wam in that the quality of his posting improves as scum, but it was enough for a start.

I'm waiting on more information related to the night results to parse out what I think of Adum. I have liked the slot for most of the game but Adum is a strong player and I can see them faking it. FWIW, their reaction to the night result still feels townie.

I'm kind of ambivalent on bessie at the moment. I think her reaction to how I've been playing so far is fine, bordering on too generous if anything. I don't really understand her push on Fred, and I think it's interesting that she apparently ignored what was by far the scummiest posts of Fred's (those related to him not reading his role) and focused on more flightly concerns. I think it's possible her SoD post was prewritten which I feel is slightly scum indicative. Putting her on scum lean at the moment.

Mak is super obvTown and I won't hear otherwise at this point.

Somi and moody are kind of on the periphery of the game and I would like to see more from them. I've generally liked somi's play so far and I feel his engagement with me has been authentic. moody is one of those players who is almost always on the edge of my scum radar.

Hi thea! Im going to ask for you to give TWO examples of me "misinterpreting" something you said.

I'll wait.

And explain why you had me as townlean in your first list, but dont mention that at all here, and even say you had me as scum early. Walk me through the progression and vision there please. Tyvm!

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:17 pm Btw Seven, you need to counter immediately in the future. I realize you were trying in a soft sort of manner, but Jesus

Normally, no she shouldn't. I realize that in this case it was presented as essentially mod confirmed information about my slot instead of simply a role result and subject to paranoia and the like, but I was strongly townread by the majority of the cast last game day and we can't catch a scumbag from the CC.

Doing her utmost to preserve their role secrecy in order to preserve things for CC is the right move unless I was about to get hammered.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:13 pm I am James Cole, I am a town Mason with Thea, and I have an unused one-shot loud non-kill night ability

Unvote

Which part of what I said, Adum?

Here, Santy had thoughts on a particular post of yours here: https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79288#p79288

and Mak had thoughts on you in general.

Before giving my thoughts on that post I wanna give them a chance to talk to you

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:17 pm Btw Seven, you need to counter immediately in the future. I realize you were trying in a soft sort of manner, but Jesus

Nope, you need to not just quick lim people. Your play has been very destructive to town this game. I actually think town in general has been quite destructive this game to an unenjoyable level.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:14 pm Hi thea! Im going to ask for you to give TWO examples of me "misinterpreting" something you said.

I'll wait.

here (similarly in your elaborations here). You take a post where I say "obviously yes" and interpret it is "no/deflection".

Here you make no attempt to actually evaluate my reads or stated reasons for them, and just assume that they are inauthentic.

And explain why you had me as townlean in your first list, but dont mention that at all here, and even say you had me as scum early. Walk me through the progression and vision there please. Tyvm!

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you just didn't understand what I was doing, but that you kept doing it persistently without even attempting to engage with my content leads me to believe that you just weren't trying.

One other thing as I look over your content:

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:30 am Mak, to add on the thea read on me making no sense. Go to their first read image. I was town slightly above null (I was already pushing them) , and their top two townreads were the people I openly advocated to be town on thread (somi and wam). That already threw me off because we also had the same sus in seven, but yet they werent townreading me more haha , I think if it was genuine their readlist I should've been higher there for sure.

I wasn't considering your reasoning at all in my evaluations of Wam, somi, or Seven, nor do I give bonus points for people having the same or similar reads to me. If anything, I find scum tend to cluster towards consensus reads where they can, especially early in the game where the stakes are lower, and people with reads that are way outside the norm are >rand Town.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:05 pm It was an interesting sort of Rorschach test to see how people interpreted my quotes. By and large I was trying to answer things as straightforwardly as possible within the confines of movie quotes, so it was interesting to see how much ambiguity people elected to see. I was honestly hoping for a little bit more people engaging in my content and trying to understand what I was saying instead of just claiming it was all a mystery. Maybe I was overestimating how easy it was to interpret them because I knew what I was trying to say.

NGL, I think this is misplaced. The issue isn't that what you said isn't understandable (most of the time, you never did get to clarify if sundown was metaphorical or literal and for that day, that day phase, etc), it was the lack of complex thoughts and explanations justifying sentiments conveyed. I don't think your style prevented it either, you just didn't and I think doing that would've led people to engage with you much more.

Only thing that really sticks out to me as a result was the "deflection", which I covered in my Santy read when I gave my readlist.

OTOH, I didn't catch this earlier, but this strongly implies Seven doesn't have any chat partners (chat is on Discord not through forum messages), so at worst he is unaligned.

Disagree, having discord chats doesn't mean scum partners don't have the ability to PM.

Mak is super obvTown and I won't hear otherwise at this point.

Mind explaining this more? I've had Mak as a townlean since his play near EoD but I don't think anything he's done is outside his scum range so I'm curious what you think crosses the line into obvious town.

Wait, I'm stupid.

@thea or Fred, do your role PMs specify you can only communicate through your discord chat?