Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[Wam]

Seven to be clear you have a town result on adum?

That's not quite where my head was. I had worked out you were claiming the joat cop but I assumed you had a 3rd party result of.say survivor.

[Santygrass]

The power to have the mod just publicly say whatever you want as truth is more bastardy than a public cop existing in the same game tailer/framer. At least those roles exist and public is an existing modifier.

This is a bastard game.

Yeah, Im not a fan either of that type of role. But I think it makes sense.

As in, I have an action with a loud modifier as well, and the Joat also seems to have the loud modifier. So it may be the thought counterplay or messing of mafia against town loud roles

[AdumbroDeus]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

[Seven]

The power to have the mod just publicly say whatever you want as truth is more bastardy than a public cop existing in the same game tailer/framer. At least those roles exist and public is an existing modifier.

This is a bastard game.

It’s not such a power.

Someone else is an investigative. They have some modifier (or were modified) in such a way that their result is public. They were also tailored.

[Santygrass]

Hold your horses. This is what we’re dealing with my friend: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tailor

This is a well established normal role.

Why are you saying tailor then? Doesnt a Tailor would also alterate the result you receive?

It’s not my result.

Yeah, its not your result. But a Tailor doesnt just state something as mod . It messes up investigative results

[AdumbroDeus]

I'm genuinely depressed about this, I'm sure I played my role absolutely fucking perfectly and that's why there wasn't a kill last night. Only to find out I'm in a bastard game.

[Seven]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

Adum please take a break. The stress of whats going on in our world and your hospitalization may be impacting how you’re taking this. I’m very sorry to hear about the hospitalization, are you OK?

[Santygrass]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

I suggest you go and read the definition of bastardry in the first post

[Seven]

Seven to be clear you have a town result on adum?

That's not quite where my head was. I had worked out you were claiming the joat cop but I assumed you had a 3rd party result of.say survivor.

Explicitly a town result, yes.

[Wam]

Seven to be clear you have a town result on adum?

That's not quite where my head was. I had worked out you were claiming the joat cop but I assumed you had a 3rd party result of.say survivor.

Explicitly a town result, yes.

And was it adum is town or your target is town? Just wondering about redirects.

Adum look after yourself!

Could it be an insane or parnaoid cop?

[Santygrass]

Vote: Makhaira

[Seven]

Seven to be clear you have a town result on adum?

That's not quite where my head was. I had worked out you were claiming the joat cop but I assumed you had a 3rd party result of.say survivor.

Explicitly a town result, yes.

And was it adum is town or your target is town? Just wondering about redirects.

Adum look after yourself!

Could it be an insane or parnaoid cop?

Explicitly Adum.

[AdumbroDeus]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

I suggest you go and read the definition of bastardry in the first post

"Moderator lies that can't be reasonably anticipated"

This is not a moderator lie that can be reasonably anticipated. That's my entire point. To be able to make the mod say anything as if it's just an action result cannot be reasonably anticipated.

The only reason you're questioning it is that a mod confirmed JOAT cop had the opposite result.

[Santygrass]

Unless Seven is counterclaimed, then both are locktown tbh.

For role usage , I think scum was planning on get Adum over today . So probably the bloodthirst / reactions there are the most important ones

[Santygrass]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

I suggest you go and read the definition of bastardry in the first post

"Moderator lies that can't be reasonably anticipated"

This is not a moderator lie that can be reasonably anticipated. That's my entire point. To be able to make the mod say anything as if it's just an action result cannot be reasonably anticipated.

The only reason you're questioning it is that a mod confirmed JOAT cop had the opposite result.

If the result wasnt there, then the message would be there alone, with no action as opposed to how loud actions go, and no one to claim that info reveal

[Santygrass]

For me it was believable just because the joat cop result was in the same resolution, and I thought it was all a loud joat

[AdumbroDeus]

Can we all just replace out in protest of our promised non bastard game being, in actuality, a bastard game?

Adum please take a break. The stress of whats going on in our world and your hospitalization may be impacting how you’re taking this. I’m very sorry to hear about the hospitalization, are you OK?

I mean, yes, but I fundamentally believe, from a game design perspective, this is bastard design, not merely pizzazz.

The only difference in my reaction is I'd be more diplomatic about it if I wasn't under a lot of stress and just had a hospital stay. But I fully disagree that this is non-bastard.

[AdumbroDeus]

I suggest you go and read the definition of bastardry in the first post

"Moderator lies that can't be reasonably anticipated"

This is not a moderator lie that can be reasonably anticipated. That's my entire point. To be able to make the mod say anything as if it's just an action result cannot be reasonably anticipated.

The only reason you're questioning it is that a mod confirmed JOAT cop had the opposite result.

If the result wasnt there, then the message would be there alone, with no action as opposed to how loud actions go, and no one to claim that info reveal

Then it would be just a mod message that "hey everyone, adum is scum", which is a lie that can't reasonably be anticipated.

[Santygrass]

I think I know exactly what went down last night but I am not saying anything for now Im actually kind of in favor of just quick hammering adum and going back to night phase before scum figure out what is even happening

[AdumbroDeus]

I don't think Mak would expose himself to being directly blamed like that on my town flip.

Also I'm 99.9% sure scum thought I would wake up dead today, unless the messenger is a different scum faction.

[Seven]

I need to actually go get some sleep before work. I woke up during the middle of the night and have been puzzling this out since then.

[Santygrass]

Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

OH MY GOD I AM SO FUCKING GOOD AT THIS GAME LMAOOOOOOOO

sorry adum its been real, dont worry you havent lost your touch I only felt the pocket a little bit

Vote: Adum

To be absolutely clear, I am claiming responsibility for some but not all of the information and/or results contained in this quote from madge, so yes I am claiming a PR and I have soft crumbed as I admitted to last phase but I am deliberately not claiming what role specifically to create ambiguity and difficult target economy for the scum especially after a kill prevention N1

I have extremely high confidence but not mod confirmed knowledge that atleast one player is town based on this information and my own knowledge of my action

[Santygrass]

Fred and Thea, unvote. We are not quick hammering.

You're assuming 3-person Mafia, and the possibility that a non-town does not necessarily mean Mafia. While I agree with the assessment, the last two votes are good information. I will advise Thea to unvote, but I will stay where I am. If it's a three-person Mafia, they'll have to fully commit against the theoretical third faction.

And this is certainly a.... Post


Thea Im gonna need you to pop off today to convince me you and Fred are both town.

Otherwise Im just considering blasting one to confirm the other in case you are town. And if not we chant and feast on the wolf blood

[Santygrass]

@makhaira going to ask for clarification. Because from what I parse through you are the role that said Adum is non town , the joat (and you and seven are conflicting claims) , or you are the backup and idk how being a backup makes you have more knowledge of a person being town

[Wam]

unvote

Sorry realised I hadn't done this.

So out of this cluster we may actually be able to swing it to our advantage.

As stated above there is no way scum seven clears adum. So adum and Seven con town.