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Votecount 0.2

2-shot Roleblocker: Fred
Day Rolecop: Moody
Vengeful Mafiate
1-shot Janitor
Godfather: Moody, Fred

Not voting:
Boomfrog, Wam, Swiss, Mak, Heury, Seven, JC, Fonti, Bessie, Sabrar

Important Links:
Game links and Vote Counts

Notes:
Setup has been posted here for convenience.

With 12 players, it takes 7 votes to lock in a Mafia Perk. Two perks can be chosen.
The deadline for Day 0 is December 2nd, at 9:00AM EST, or when all mafia roles are locked in.

Loving Seven's analysis despite the MBTI stuff thrown in.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 am The bolded are what stick out. The hedging does not align with my model of Sabrar. I think he most certainly is capable of a stronger analysis than this.

We are not operating in a vacuum. The best choice heavily depends on what scum selected, I thought I made that clear.

Swiss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:36 am Seven your analysis of Sabrar doesn't match to his playstyle.

He seems angry and petulant at perceived slights.

Being called an idiot is not a 'perceived slight'. Of course your perception may differ.
But I will freely admit to taking offense easily and being petty about it.

...

You have a thread where you post spoilered thoughts on the game.

Isn't that a huge cheating risk? Even accidentally, if it pops up with a search.

I'm going to set a reminder for a few weeks from now to find a better way to do that, if that's OK with you all.

It would be advantegous if everybody could express at least some sort of opinion about each choice and not limiting themselves to one or two.

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:03 pm ...

You have a thread where you post spoilered thoughts on the game.

Isn't that a huge cheating risk? Even accidentally, if it pops up with a search.

I'm going to set a reminder for a few weeks from now to find a better way to do that, if that's OK with you all.

It is insanity and I am staying away from it.
They should make a discord room and not invite active players.

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:03 pm ...

You have a thread where you post spoilered thoughts on the game.

Isn't that a huge cheating risk? Even accidentally, if it pops up with a search.

I'm going to set a reminder for a few weeks from now to find a better way to do that, if that's OK with you all.

It was heavily used on the old xkcd forum and I do not remember any cheating allegations because of it (there may have been before my time). Few accidents did happen when a player had to sub out due to reading a spoiler but the entertainment it provided was far more beneficial.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:04 pm It would be advantegous if everybody could express at least some sort of opinion about each choice and not limiting themselves to one or two.

Y'all aren't thinking about combos enough. Some roles synergize with each other, some don't.

Roleblocker and role cop work together because they offer scum combined utility in identifying and neutering prs.

Roleblocker and vengeful are bad in a weak doc/vig Mylo d2 world, because roleblocker can be used on the doc or vig and vengeful would tighten the already tight numbers.

Godfather and jailer are bad together because they both undermine information that would otherwise be confirmed.

Godfather is bad in general because were guaranteed to have some sort of info role (a well played weak doc is a powerful info role, cop and masonizer are info roles, we'll have 1 to 3 of them in the game).

I think vengeful and jailor are the best play in most worlds, because of the way scum behavior has to shift around a vengeful mafia.

No cheating allegations I can remember either. Few sub outs for being an idiot and reading it, myself included.

Guess I'll do the heavy lifting. You'll get this effort from me once per game. I can't risk developing a meta where people think I will do my own work for me.

Sabrar - speaks out against Janitor-
(Is there no post numbers anymore? How can I reference a post without literally quoting it? Most of my game play revolves around multiple post assessments. This is awful. The light has left my world.)

Wam - Agrees with Sabrar re: Janitor-

Sabrar - "Best for Mafia is Janitor, second best might be Rolecop, not sure. Everything else is situational, GF is good if Town received at least 2 investigative roles, utility of Vengeful largely depends if Town received Vigilant/Weak Doc, Roleblock feels weak but can be clutch."

New Sabrar = (StoT) Janitor, Rolecop, ALL

Font - Speaks in favour of Roleblock and Vengeful.

Wam new =
Town
Godfather
Day Rolecop
2-shot Roleblocker
Vengeful Mafiate
1-shot Janitor
Scum


Fred
Tentative vote for
Roleblocker
and
Godfather


Moody
FoS anyone who wants Janitor
Wants Perq vote: Godfather, Rolecop

JC utterly lost.

Font wants
Janitor and vengeful

Swissy
2-shot Roleblocker - want ++
Day Rolecop - want +
Vengeful Mafiate - want if you have an idiot on your team
1-shot Janitor - need
Godfather - need

Seven
Roleblocker + Rolecop is where I'm probably voting.




1. Boomfrog
2. Wam
3. Swiss
4. FF
5. Fred
6. heury ?
7. Seven
8. moody scumlean
9. JC town
10. Fonti town
11. bessie
12. Sabrar

OK I have two mechanical issues.

One, I need a way to reference specific posts without quoting them

Two, I was in no way ready to post that, I don't know what button I hit and it posted, I wasn't touching my mouse. I'm not allowed to edit.

Praise the lord I didn't mark my vig target

Would vote for:

1. Boomfrog
2. Wam
3. Swiss Roleblock, Rolecop (Or Veng)
4. FF
5. Fred
6. heury ?
7. Seven Roleblock, Rolecop
8. moody
9. JC town
10. Fonti Janitor, Vengeful
11. bessie
12. Sabrar

Would vote for:

1. Boomfrog
2. Wam
3. Swiss Roleblock, Rolecop (Or Veng)
4. FF
5. Fred
6. heury ?
7. Seven Roleblock, Rolecop
8. moody
9. JC town
10. Fonti Janitor, Vengeful
11. bessie
12. Sabrar

You can link to a post:
This is a link.
This is the same link with a simplified tag: viewtopic.php?p=56712#p56712

Clicking the top left corner of a post (above the username) will jump to that post and the url can be copied and used as above.

Wtf is happening.

No way. Tab + Spacebar POSTS? I'm sorry for the spam. What a crazy keybind. Who the fuck needs that.

Would vote for:

1. Boomfrog
2. Wam Godfather, Rolecop
3. Swiss Roleblock, Rolecop (Or Veng)
4. FF
5. Fred Godfather, Roleblock
6. heury ?
7. Seven Roleblock, Rolecop
8. moody Godfather, Rolecop
9. JC
10. Fonti Janitor, Vengeful
11. bessie
12. Sabrar need mafia perk picks

GF 3
Rolecop 4
Roleblock 3
Veng 2

Close down application and reinstall user.

Roleblock would be my first pick, I'm hesitating between Vengeful and Rolecop for the second.

Swiss I am frozenflame as seven covered in impressive detail

Were those MBTI types guesses? Because I consistently get ENTP on those quizzes with I/E and P/J being very borderline and could go the other way (like 55/45), so that was an impressive guess if it was in fact a guess as Im not sure if I ever discussed MBTI type stuff on smashboards, here, or in the discord

Jealous of heury already finishing their full 3 star clear of MK8, need to get on that, the new tracks are super fun

My first impression was that two shot roleblocker and godfather are the best roles to give scum because roleblocked is shooting in the dark unless we claim and godfather is entirely passive and just need to be taken into account when we parse investigation results. Given scum roleblocker with role cope is a huge mistake though as those roles synergize perfectly. So my current inclination is to vote godfather/2 shot RB but Im open to other ideas. Im not sure I entitely understand vengeful mafia though if someone is willing to explain that in greater detail

Finally read the setup. Y'all skipped an excellent discussion point.

If you were mafia what town roles would you have given to town? Swiss, sabrar, fomti and Seven save your answers until after the others.

Am I reading wrong or is my understanding correct that town roles have yet to be assigned and that scum pick town roles after we all lock in the scum roles by vote?

Not sure what you have been reading to get that idea?

Ah nope just re-read, scum picks town roles in "pregame" which is prior to D0 and they get randomly assigned

I thought it went D0 votes for scum roles happen, then N0 scum picks town roles for random distribution knowing what scum roles have been picked, but yeah its the opposite order so Booms question actually makes sense