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Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:02 am EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

This is Town Seven.

I agree. Compare this to when he was scum and was passive. Here he clearly took initiative.

Already posting too many words. Biggest offender is EGW, and he was mean to me.

Vote: EGW so I don't have to read so much.

Daily bark.

madge wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:00 am bessie did you miss playing with me me me me me me

I miss playing with everyone in down times now that we don’t always have a game going.
I missed you more than some others because you didn’t play in the previous game.
I miss BoomFrog the most because Is BoomFrog.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:46 am Is my excitement that palpable?

Not this. Try again.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:58 am You don't feel the same about madge or somitomi?

Yes this is it!

Confirmation post initial analysis. Everyone’s confirmation post is acceptable. No confirmation posts contain game content including but not limited to RVS votes, buddying, and rhetorical questions to establish early towniness. No posts contain deliberate or accidental slips.

Confirmation post deeper analysis.
somitomi – Acceptable format. If I had to make a woof-grr list based on only confirmation posts, I might give him the slightest town lean because he wasn’t worried about conforming. But this isn’t enough to move him to an early town lean.

Madge - There is no alignment-indicative information that can be deduced from Madge’s confirmation post. Madge probably doesn’t even remember my absurd fondness for analyzing confirmation posts. And even if she does, she almost certainly wouldn’t let it stop her from posting exactly what was in her mind at that moment. Madge does enjoy playing scum more than town, but I think the excitement can also be from just playing after a break and getting to interact with everyone (read: getting to talk about herself to an audience). So I currently consider Madge’s confirmation post to be neutral.

Gluelock, JC, Fred – Neutral for now. I don’t think these players have played enough with me to deliberately alter their confirmation posts. Note: they could have been advised to confirm in a certain way by a partner in chat.

Heury, moody, EGW, Makhaira, Wam – Suspicious. They know me well and may have confirmed as they did not to draw my attention. Note: I’m pretty sure Wam has said before that he’s posted a neutral confirmation post not to draw my attention, but I can’t remember the game. It was on xkcd.

Theallieza – For other players, the single exclamation post would not be enough for me to move them from their default “suspicious” or “neutral” category (default determined by factors discussed above). For Theallieza, I get the feeling that the exclamation post is purposely teasing me. A very subtle poke but a poke nonetheless. And I don’t think they would do this as non-town. Note that this analysis is specifically for Theallieza and there is no other player in this game to which this would be applicable. Wait. No... there is another.

Seven – Suspicious Grr. See Theallieza.

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:17 am It can be inferred from your response that you and Madge are unpaired. This requires several steps of reasoning that I do not wish to expend cognitive resources on conveying.

Noting this for now.

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:02 am EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

Noting this too.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:32 am bessie's response to theallizea's confirm post is funny considering the mostly non-serious stance that exclamation point=scum in those.

Please clarify. Do you mean funny peculiar, or funny haha?
I was completely serious. See above.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:57 pm But I think this error comes from Town more often than not.

Is this in reference to EGW’s error or to something else?


Back later. I will be available this weekend and Monday. It is a holiday weekend in the United States.

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:06 am So far:

Town: Laserguy, Seven
Scum: Madge.

Vote: Madge

I dont think I've ever seen EGW make a post like this, wild

moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:32 am

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:02 am EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

I do recall discussion about the polarization of his play, mostly thinking that it sounded really bad to have town play so distinguishable from scum play.

bessie's response to theallizea's confirm post is funny considering the mostly non-serious stance that exclamation point=scum in those.

what specifically do you recall was claimed in that discussion that made EGW's townplay so distinguishable?

madge wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:07 pm town = bessie, for book favours; seven, for being cool calm and collective
scum = egw, for voting for me

i won't be posting tomorrow (probably), busy day.

d1 is just vibes for me anyway. i expect to be around at deadline

In what specific way is seven being "cool calm and collective [sic]" (I'm assuming you meant collected?)

somitomi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.

I have never heard of it before, so it can't possibly be famous.

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule

is the bolded a joke? tone over internet is hard

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:01 pm

somitomi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:54 amThis song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.

I have never heard of it before, so it can't possibly be famous.

Vote: Seven

I see Seven and EGW are already scumreading each other and bessie's got a confirmation-soul read, everything is right on schedule

Seven is scumreading EGW; EGW is not scumreading Seven.

This post gives me a weird vibe. I think I'd put a slight scumlean on somi.

how is scum!somi trying to come off here that makes you think its scum motivated?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:14 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:02 am EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

This is Town Seven.

but why

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:20 pm I agree. Compare this to when he was scum and was passive. Here he clearly took initiative.

how would you describe sevens play in Baldurs Gate Mafia?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:33 am Already posting too many words. Biggest offender is EGW, and he was mean to me.

Vote: EGW so I don't have to read so much.

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atleast freddy posted tho. No wam, gluelock or jc is lame af

no heury either jeepers

atleast this game is long deadlines. Also we should be aware it is majority elim rules not plurality (adum is unironically unfathomably based for this)

that means if you don't want to grief town you need to be voting early and often friends =)

I also just realized I wasnt included on theas scumber line and dont feel included sadge =(

Mak: Seven didn't play proactively there. He didn't have a push, he wasn't scumhunting. His vote on you was simply because he didn't have enough on Bessie when I stated that she was town. I was waiting for you to town up that game so we could push seven but the longer the day went I doubted you more. Here, Seven immediately pushes me, and his post shows a certain bravado I don't see from him in his scum games.

Bessie: I always confirm in the same way every game. Thoughts on that?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:47 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:33 amAlready posting too many words. Biggest offender is EGW, and he was mean to me.

Vote: EGW so I don't have to read so much.

ohboyherewego.png

atleast freddy posted tho. No wam, gluelock or jc is lame af

It's the immediate vote. NOTHING SINISTER.

Unvote: EGW.

bessie wrote:Please clarify. Do you mean funny peculiar, or funny haha?
I was completely serious. See above.

Chuckle-worthy, as in "X is totally scum because they used an exclamation point. " Even though I've seen it used several times, I remain dubious about the confirmation post analysis (most likely because I am not able to use the trick myself), but I'm not going to denigrate anyone who tries the method. I will note that this does make a tie between you and Thea.

Makhaira wrote:what specifically do you recall was claimed in that discussion that made EGW's townplay so distinguishable?

Found this right away from Baldur's Gate from Seven's own keyboard about their opinion on EGW's polarization:

Seven wrote:btw @Somi, the thing about Major League Baseball players is that they are MLachable precisely because of the lack of polarization between their scum and town play. Players like Ran are highly polarized: the discrepancy between his town and scum play is super obvious. In contrast, with Heury for example, his posts are blanketed in obscurity.

Bold mine. Exactly what the qualities are that distinguish town!EGW from scum!EGW in Seven's eyes is something you would need to discuss with them.

Got another chuckle from Fred's latest. RVS is RVS, and I'm getting a good town read on him now.

bessie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:24 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:57 pm But I think this error comes from Town more often than not.

Is this in reference to EGW’s error or to something else?

EGW's error.

Theallieza – For other players, the single exclamation post would not be enough for me to move them from their default “suspicious” or “neutral” category (default determined by factors discussed above). For Theallieza, I get the feeling that the exclamation post is purposely teasing me. A very subtle poke but a poke nonetheless. And I don’t think they would do this as non-town. Note that this analysis is specifically for Theallieza and there is no other player in this game to which this would be applicable. Wait. No... there is another.

Well, I wanted to make sure you had something to talk about.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:50 amRVS is RVS

What's RVS?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:47 am how is scum!somi trying to come off here that makes you think its scum motivated?

Performative? The vibe I get is kind of "Look, I'm active and engaged" without actually saying anything.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:14 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:02 am EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

This is Town Seven.

but why

My logic is essentially this:
-Seven claims he can read EGW extremely well.
-Seven knows that Town!EGW is almost impossible to misyeet because he's very strong and it is very obvious when he is Town.

If Seven is scum and EGW is Town, then attacking EGW is unlikely to be productive: EGW is never getting yeeted, and Seven puts a spotlight on himself because Town!EGW is likely to defend himself vigorously. Scum Seven would probably prefer to buddy EGW and redirect his attention elsewhere.

If both are scum together, Seven dislikes bussing and generally avoids attacking his buddies. He'd probably say EGW is Town.

I think Seven most likely attacks EGW if and only if Seven is Town and sincerely believes EGW is scum. The edge case is if Seven is scum and believes EGW is 3rd party.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:28 pm

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:50 amRVS is RVS

What's RVS?

Random Vote Stage. Some people like it, some don't do it.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:57 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:06 am So far:

Town: Laserguy

I'm Thea this game.

But I think this error comes from Town more often than not.

Can you elaborate on the error and why it is likely to come from town?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:28 am It's the immediate vote. NOTHING SINISTER. Unvote: EGW.

I like to use my RVS on the newest player is all to see how they react. So far, my only take away is that your post was funny. I don't get any malicious feeling from you yet though.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:31 pmI think Seven most likely attacks EGW if and only if Seven is Town and sincerely believes EGW is scum. The edge case is if Seven is scum and believes EGW is 3rd party.

I think it's something else entirely. I will let the game play out longer to say what.

Seven wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:02 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:57 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:06 am So far:

Town: Laserguy

I'm Thea this game.

But I think this error comes from Town more often than not.

Can you elaborate on the error and why it is likely to come from town?

He is thinking of me as my alt.

My feeling is that this is the type of error more likely to come from a townie more concerned about keeping meta straight than caring about being precise.

Apparently Moody is polarized as well. It is not something I’ve ever noticed before.

He is the second dancer.

My inference primarily stems from this line:

I will note that this does make a tie between you and Thea.

Without going into detail, the grammatical and stylistic structure of this sentence suggests deviation from the reverse Voight-Kampff test used to verify the emotional suppression of us humans.

Put simply, the view is inauthentic; underlying nervousness regarding its inauthenticity led to structural anomalies indicative of a dancer.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:50 amGot another chuckle from Fred's latest. RVS is RVS, and I'm getting a good town read on him now.

There is a greater than random chance that Fred is the third due to moody’s defense here.

Quite the interesting scum team. Shall we move to eliminate?

EGW wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pm

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:28 am It's the immediate vote. NOTHING SINISTER. Unvote: EGW.

I like to use my RVS on the newest player is all to see how they react. So far, my only take away is that your post was funny. I don't get any malicious feeling from you yet though.

This was the third time lol, guess I gotta find a noob for you to bully

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:40 pmThis was the third time lol, guess I gotta find a noob for you to bully

Apologies. Any thoughts on the game so far, Fred?

I feel like not enough people are on theme, there was a lot more roleplay in the AI Mafia game. Beside that, there's mostly the normal day-1 posing and trash reads (trash as in meant to be throwaway/revised later in the game).

Sorry, had a birthday party for my grandson and work yesterday so I didn't have time to post. On break at work right now so just read real quick to catch up. I'll read more later, but not seeing anything to react to right now. I'll let things play out more to see where they go.