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Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:06 am ggs everyone, fun game! Setup def feels a little too town favored but all things considered I think that was just exaggerated by sorc getting elim'd right away

glad my instincts weren't off on fred lol

EGW was fun taking your hand to the promised land, good stuff town tapping it in, looking forward to the next one!

madge wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:07 am yeah bessie in a previous draft of my post i was like "OK BESSIE TELL ME WHAT TO DO" but then i realised that things were OK

and thank you adum for putting in the instructions for hunter of who to target, that was extremely useful and didn't require me to softclaim hunter to get info lol

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:48 am To be honest, this wasn't a very satisfying game to play as scum. I didn't get the opportunity to hunt for the sorcerer, and I believe the total number of DM's between me and Maven was under 10. I was trying really hard to push for J D2, but after Maven died it became abundantly clear that I did not have a chance.

Aside from all that, this game was still fun and engaging. Trying to dig out of a hole without letting on that I'm in one was super interesting and I think I only missed one night where I could have logged on but didn't.

Dooplissity wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:23 am
Yeah as I said out of the hundred+ times it's been run it trends 55/45. I'd be interested in how you can nudge it if you have thoughts. No N0 for the seer is possible but I like town having some starting info.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:14 am
I believe you said something about the setup being low powered enough that the early claiming was worth it, whereas two days later town had enough power to literally lock the game and the only thing that could've stopped it was scum finding the hunter. P

Thank you for trusting me on Maven though. Did I make up for being cringe D1? Lol

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:23 am

Dooplissity wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:23 am
Yeah as I said out of the hundred+ times it's been run it trends 55/45. I'd be interested in how you can nudge it if you have thoughts. No N0 for the seer is possible but I like town having some starting info.

game probably doesnt need the martyr tbh? Its just a weaker doc and doc/cop together in any game with no roleblocker is kinda wack tbh. I get you were trying to make a small game that actually has some power roles tho, maybe like make the martyr a jailer who cant jail any given slot on back to back nights or make it a 1 shot/2 shot jailer? Can interact interestingly with hunter too that way. Maybe give the sorc a way to roleblock too as an optional alternative to seer seeking?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:14 am
I believe you said something about the setup being low powered enough that the early claiming was worth it, whereas two days later town had enough power to literally lock the game and the only thing that could've stopped it was scum finding the hunter. P

Thank you for trusting me on Maven though. Did I make up for being cringe D1? Lol

basically what I meant was there was no single role that was so centralizing that even if they were forced to claim early it would be devastating to town chances, especially because of the cushion martyr provides. Like the setup is relatively mountainous all things considered compared to a typical closed setup

Town power was exaggerated in this game because town got the optimal elim D1 and lots of the scums ability to have night counterplay and mitigate the seer's reliability is thru the sorc, so yeah I dont think this game was the fairest representation of the overall power of the town PRs

And yeah you were never actually super cringe I was mostly just ribbing the people who werent on the somi wagon but yeah your slot was totally redeemed by the end lol

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:23 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:14 am
I believe you said something about the setup being low powered enough that the early claiming was worth it, whereas two days later town had enough power to literally lock the game and the only thing that could've stopped it was scum finding the hunter. P

Thank you for trusting me on Maven though. Did I make up for being cringe D1? Lol

basically what I meant was there was no single role that was so centralizing that even if they were forced to claim early it would be devastating to town chances, especially because of the cushion martyr provides. Like the setup is relatively mountainous all things considered compared to a typical closed setup

Town power was exaggerated in this game because town got the optimal elim D1 and lots of the scums ability to have night counterplay and mitigate the seer's reliability is thru the sorc, so yeah I dont think this game was the fairest representation of the overall power of the town PRs

And yeah you were never actually super cringe I was mostly just ribbing the people who werent on the somi wagon but yeah your slot was totally redeemed by the end lol

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:49 pm I claimed martyr because I didnt want bessie to waste an investigation on me and I figured I was dead anyway cuz scum were gonna NK bessie

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:13 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:23 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:14 am
I believe you said something about the setup being low powered enough that the early claiming was worth it, whereas two days later town had enough power to literally lock the game and the only thing that could've stopped it was scum finding the hunter. P

Thank you for trusting me on Maven though. Did I make up for being cringe D1? Lol

basically what I meant was there was no single role that was so centralizing that even if they were forced to claim early it would be devastating to town chances, especially because of the cushion martyr provides. Like the setup is relatively mountainous all things considered compared to a typical closed setup

Town power was exaggerated in this game because town got the optimal elim D1 and lots of the scums ability to have night counterplay and mitigate the seer's reliability is thru the sorc, so yeah I dont think this game was the fairest representation of the overall power of the town PRs

And yeah you were never actually super cringe I was mostly just ribbing the people who werent on the somi wagon but yeah your slot was totally redeemed by the end lol

It was less that I thought a single role would destroy town compared to the marginal utility of making a clearly noob slot claim without anything indicating them scum yet.

I do get your reasoning, and I think it would've had more utility if we settled on Freddie as a lynch target that day because he was being scummie but I don't see how development potentially from it would override risk in asking for a claim at that point.

Oh and we really owe the game to scum trying to wiform us into lynching Bessie for them, they should've killed em.

Also, why did you reveal you were the martyr, I saw it as a complete negative at that point.