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Moody, I can't help but notice you have been viewing alot yet had not been posting. You are still in a conversation with Somi. What's up with you this game? Your engagement seems very low compared to what I have seen before I think. I also want to see your updated reads and thoughts on pairs.

Quick list before I go to sleep since I need to be working again in like 5 hours. And tomorrow I’ll barely be around, I’ll be working probably 17 hours tomorrow through the deadline. I’ll check in as much as I can but it’s gonna be rough.

Somi
EGW
Bop
Bessie
Mak
Greedy
Deadbananas
Moody
Heury

Btw while I feel fine about Bessie currently, I’d prefer if she did not vote today.

Okay sleepy time for me.

I woke up and checked the game excited to get a post in responding to anything new and then realized it’s only been a few hours lol

Given that the analysis skills of Mak and EGW are in such high demand and everyone reading them as town would make for a better endgame, it looks as if I were to be one of the two falling out D1 it would likely be with Bop or somi.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 11:26 am Given that the analysis skills of Mak and EGW are in such high demand and everyone reading them as town would make for a better endgame, it looks as if I were to be one of the two falling out D1 it would likely be with Bop or somi.

You still need to reply to Somi. Also, why is your engagement rate low, and how come I have yet to see a deep dive from you this game?

From the post here viewtopic.php?p=92914#p92914, I didn't think you had made that same mistake, and I'm not sure where somi said he thought bessie wasn't playing. deadbananas OTOH posted a couple of different times, so it appeared to me he was the only one who thought that which made it a lot more weird. Also with familiarity about you're play style, I'm a lot more forgiving of early game weirdness.

I think your impression of "low engagement" is being influenced by the fact I didn't post at all Friday. That's on me. I seem to be one of the favorites to fall out D1, mostly because as I pointed out and bessie pointed out that I pointed out, I would not be an asset to town at the end. That last fall D3 for a perfect town win should be the two towniest town (which at this point look to be you and Mak). That being said, I guess I can cobble together a full detailed reads list before the EOD.

bessie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:51 amHi George sorry I can’t talk tonight maybe tomorrow. I need to get some sleep.

Bessie when can we expect a quick reads list from you?

I'm back! I'll try to see if anything from the rest of Friday jumped out at me and should be around on and off most of the day. We've got about 12 hours yet so there's still some room for discussion/decisions which is good.

Welcome back, Bop. I need you to reconsider Moody. I'm no longer comfortable with them falling out.

EGW wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 1:41 pm Welcome back, Bop. I need you to reconsider Moody. I'm no longer comfortable with them falling out.

I’m glad you feel this way at this point. I’m also not a fan of “I’m not helpful in the endgame, I guess I should just fall out *shrug*” (yes this is exaggerated, I’m being a bit sassy) after the low content/engagement.

Bessie - doing typical meta comments, no actual read on heury despite him voting for her, which I'm thinking should be something of a concern, seems to have a mild suspicion of deadbananas. Time constraints seem to be limiting things like Woof->Grr list. +1 (which would have terrified me a while back, but I've stopped handicapping Bessie like that)

Bop - thinks he knows of a format relevant town tell, makes some reads (later said the Bessie one was a joke so , but also still thinks she's town), feels Greedy and huery early actions scummy, reads list with EGW and Kay most town, supports me and somi falling out. +1.5

deadbananas - slight town read on heury and Greedy from their openings, laughing at heury as a scumtell, reads list with heury and Greedy townie, me and EGW scum, response to Mak about whether Bessie should complete the fall with heury, next post with scenario of scum!bessie delaying it, recognizing EGW from another forum tempers his read of him, second reads list with somi, heury, Kay town, me and Greedy scum, pushing hard for Bessie to fall out with heury, posts collection of others' reads, plan to fall with EGW gets rejected, decides Bop-somi is a good pair for D1.

DB's thinking is on a completely different tack than mine (i.e. he's perfectly fine with heury and Greedy's opening weirdness), that's NAI. Pushing to have Bessie complete the fall with heury does follow from his POV, but Cynical View thinks that just makes the solve [heury, DB]. I'm okay with his reads of somi and Bop. +0.5

EGW - Usual probing style, supported somi's questioning me about DB's opening, reads list with somi and Kay town, DB and heury scum, with some explanation at DB's request, is no longer comfortable I'm town. Based on his comments, I would have said that's due to him remembering what I did starting middle of Time Travelers, except he wasn't in that game. +2

Greedy - open offer to fall with anyone, says he would have blacklisted someone who took him up on it, heury scum, Kay town, decides he'll get more into it D2, EGW town. +0.5

heury - insta vote Bessie, doesn't like Greedy's opening, reads based on reactions to his opening with somi and Bop town, DB and Mak scum, overall reads with Bessie and EGW town, Mak and Kay scum. Most of the changes between the two lists look okay, except where Kay goes from very slightly scum to dead last. -0.5

KJQ - sotto voce opening compared to heury and Greedy, tempted by Greedy's offer, agrees with DB's assessment of Greedy, disagreement with Bessie's system, some confrontation with DB, eliminating possible scumteams based on DB's mistake, asks heury about his read of them, reads list with somi and EGW town, me and huery scum. +1

Mak - recommends slow on voting (totally synched with him on that point), Bessie more townie due to not instafalling with heury, agrees with Kay about heury's read, asks Greedy about heury v Bessie, hypotheticals based on scum!heury, reads list with Bessie and Kay town, heury and somi scum, feels better for Bessie to filp early, calculations for random fall (BTW, checked with the mod and Seven will not let the RNG bone us with an instant scum win). +2

somi - joke post 1, wants DB to explain his interpretation of heury, CV approved level of paranoia re scum audacity, beginning of grilling me about DB mistake, dubious of utility of flips, good interpretation on who should be flipping. +1.5

Preferred fall order:
D1 Kay-somi
D2 Bop-bessie
D3 Mak-EGW

Reposting last reads list

Town
Bessie
EGW
Moody
Somitomi
Bop
Deadbanana
Greedy
Mak
KayJayQueue
Scum

Bessie and EGW are the only players I'm most confident are town but as stronger players shouldn't leave the game yet. Moody wanting to leave early as not confident to be useful in endgame I can relate to that sentiment as I'm also not usually confident about reads. Deadbanana and below I don't think should leave the game D1 so that leaves any pairs between moody/somi/Bop.

Yesterday and today I'm quite busy but I'll try to check the thread when I can today if there's further questions. Let me know if I missed any questions from yesterday.

I'll add Kay's list to the aggregate soon, want to get my own list because there has been some updates, gonna be quicker because I think focus on pairs more than lists soon>

reads

heury - not votable today cept with bessie, and I'd prefer that not happen, but there's little I can do to stop it
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Somi - still feel good
Bop - I really liked their recent reads list, and they seem engaged, thinking, and playing the game
Kay - I feel much better about post re-read, still some things I don't like that I've mentioned before, but some improvement on parts like about Bessie. I also trust Bop, and thought their reasoning on Kay was valid, I thought EGW's read was valid, and I trust them somewhat, and while I think in my gut I would prefer this slot not leave today, I think I'm out of other options, so I'd be fine with this one over others.
========================================================================= - Moat of the vote(would prefer people above the line leave today)
EGW - could be town, but I still want to see develop and think as town will be useful into the endgame more, if two of Somi/bop/kay aren't around at endgame and we need a pair, this would be my top choice to get paired with whoever is left
Moody - also lowered due to kinda coasting around, wanted to see more action and further analysis slot. Flip flopped on this slot a lot, going to trust people with more meta I think.
Bessie - I agree with bessie in that they are the type of player who could do the scumgambit I have theorized, so I'm lowering them, purely because I don't feel I have been able to see enough to justify a read either way.
Mak - I like a good amount of Mak's reasoning on certain things, but I think it is inside their scum range. Additionally, I really don't like that they have been so aggresive on trying to pair up and leave today. That's something that really struck me in my re-read.
Greedy - Didn't like the slots start, think the follow up posts yesterday were better, but sussed out that they seem kinda checked out till day 2, town would want to bring some analysis and say to the pairing today. Also trying to trust people with more meta.

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Scum pair analysis on Mak

Greedy Mak - i mentioned in my re-read a post this post from Mak made it unlikely greedy and Mak could be scum together. Then I remembered that when I brought up a mistake from Heury(Mak's previoous scummate) in the last game, they immediately went it could be a scum slip, makes me go back on that.
Bessie Mak - This is based on my crackpot theory of bessie's master plan regarding Heury vote. Scum bessie chills today, and Mak tries their hardest to leave today as scum, most people would believe that insta clears bessie, since no chance of S/S with heury now, and they get an easy win.
Moody Mak - Mildly unlikely, would be a bit of a crazy play to try and setup a vote of each other and dip, some possibility with Moody's recent post about falling out with somi or bop instead? Still feel it clashes with how Mak has been playing.

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Mak, why do you seem so eager to leave today? I know you are multitabbing, but in one of your early posts you mentioned wanting the correct people at endgame, do you think you aren't one of the correct people?

Greedy - still waiting to hear from you, I'd really like to know your favorite pair/s before the pair is decided.

Bessie - same as greedy.

Moody - would really like a reads list with your thoughts.


Somi and Bop - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

Somi and Kay - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

Kay and Bop - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

oop ninja'd by moody. Thank you Moody.

Bop wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 1:39 pm I'm back! I'll try to see if anything from the rest of Friday jumped out at me and should be around on and off most of the day. We've got about 12 hours yet so there's still some room for discussion/decisions which is good.

Talk to me about Moody.

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:35 pm Reposting last reads list

Town
Bessie
EGW
Moody
Somitomi
Bop
Deadbanana
Greedy
Mak
KayJayQueue
Scum

Bessie and EGW are the only players I'm most confident are town but as stronger players shouldn't leave the game yet. Moody wanting to leave early as not confident to be useful in endgame I can relate to that sentiment as I'm also not usually confident about reads. Deadbanana and below I don't think should leave the game D1 so that leaves any pairs between moody/somi/Bop.

Yesterday and today I'm quite busy but I'll try to check the thread when I can today if there's further questions. Let me know if I missed any questions from yesterday.

I asked about your read on me and you didn’t explain it. I’d still like an answer because I don’t understand why you feel like I am most likely scum here.

Deadbananas0 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:51 pm I'll add Kay's list to the aggregate soon, want to get my own list because there has been some updates, gonna be quicker because I think focus on pairs more than lists soon>

reads

heury - not votable today cept with bessie, and I'd prefer that not happen, but there's little I can do to stop it
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Somi - still feel good
Bop - I really liked their recent reads list, and they seem engaged, thinking, and playing the game
Kay - I feel much better about post re-read, still some things I don't like that I've mentioned before, but some improvement on parts like about Bessie. I also trust Bop, and thought their reasoning on Kay was valid, I thought EGW's read was valid, and I trust them somewhat, and while I think in my gut I would prefer this slot not leave today, I think I'm out of other options, so I'd be fine with this one over others.
========================================================================= - Moat of the vote(would prefer people above the line leave today)
EGW - could be town, but I still want to see develop and think as town will be useful into the endgame more, if two of Somi/bop/kay aren't around at endgame and we need a pair, this would be my top choice to get paired with whoever is left
Moody - also lowered due to kinda coasting around, wanted to see more action and further analysis slot. Flip flopped on this slot a lot, going to trust people with more meta I think.
Bessie - I agree with bessie in that they are the type of player who could do the scumgambit I have theorized, so I'm lowering them, purely because I don't feel I have been able to see enough to justify a read either way.
Mak - I like a good amount of Mak's reasoning on certain things, but I think it is inside their scum range. Additionally, I really don't like that they have been so aggresive on trying to pair up and leave today. That's something that really struck me in my re-read.
Greedy - Didn't like the slots start, think the follow up posts yesterday were better, but sussed out that they seem kinda checked out till day 2, town would want to bring some analysis and say to the pairing today. Also trying to trust people with more meta.

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Scum pair analysis on Mak

Greedy Mak - i mentioned in my re-read a post this post from Mak made it unlikely greedy and Mak could be scum together. Then I remembered that when I brought up a mistake from Heury(Mak's previoous scummate) in the last game, they immediately went it could be a scum slip, makes me go back on that.
Bessie Mak - This is based on my crackpot theory of bessie's master plan regarding Heury vote. Scum bessie chills today, and Mak tries their hardest to leave today as scum, most people would believe that insta clears bessie, since no chance of S/S with heury now, and they get an easy win.
Moody Mak - Mildly unlikely, would be a bit of a crazy play to try and setup a vote of each other and dip, some possibility with Moody's recent post about falling out with somi or bop instead? Still feel it clashes with how Mak has been playing.

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Mak, why do you seem so eager to leave today? I know you are multitabbing, but in one of your early posts you mentioned wanting the correct people at endgame, do you think you aren't one of the correct people?

Greedy - still waiting to hear from you, I'd really like to know your favorite pair/s before the pair is decided.

Bessie - same as greedy.

Moody - would really like a reads list with your thoughts.


Somi and Bop - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

Somi and Kay - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

Kay and Bop - how do you both feel now about potentially mapping today?

I don’t want to leave when someone in my lower reads is suggesting it. It makes me feel like you want my voice out of the game and I don’t like that.

I may be paranoid but I’m not sure how genuine I feel bananas progression on me is. Spent a few days giving many reasons to sus me and then when the more townread players pretty much don’t budge in their townreads on me, then the read turns around into a townread and strong enough for me to leave today? It feels a bit like wanting the player that has expressed the most doubt on them to not be around the rest of the game in case my read never changes and I articulate it well enough that others see it and agree. I’m not saying that’s what might happen, I have no idea how my reads will change but I can see scum being worried about it. Or it could be town realizing I’m town but I dunno, it makes me uneasy.

re kay: I can understand why you would feel that, but also, what am I supposed to do? Not give my opinion because I've lost some trust? That just gives people less info to work with on me in the future. But heard, I'll try and back off from match making and let yall handle it, unless I really feel the need to jump in.

Working on new aggregates, then I'll get to other posts

Like I want to get town out of the game, I'm not in a position myself to be the town leaving the game, that makes me more inclined to try to get other people I see as town out. I understand your perspective, but that's genuinely how I feel.

Aggregate since last aggregate (contains mine, Heury, Moody and Kay's most recent lists

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Bop - 11
EGW - 10
Bessie - 9
Somi - 9
Moody - 6
Heury - 6
Deadbanans -6
Greedy - 6
Mak - 5
Kay - 4

Previous aggregate: from Mine, Bop's, EGW's, Somi's, Heury's, Mak's and Moody's reads list

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Kay - 18
Bessie - 17
Moody - 14
EGW - 14
Bop - 13
Somi - 12
Mak - 12
Heury - 9
Greedy - 9
Deadbananas - 9

Combined Aggregate of most recent unique lists Mine, Bop's, egw's, somi's, Huery's, Mak's, Moody's, Kay's (no duplicate counting) ((Note some of these are quite old))

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EGW - 18
Bessie - 18
Bop - 16
Kay - 16
Somi - 15
Moody - 14
Deadbanans -12
Greedy - 12
Mak - 12
Heury - 11

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:28 pm

Mak - recommends slow on voting (totally synched with him on that point), Bessie more townie due to not instafalling with heury, agrees with Kay about heury's read, asks Greedy about heury v Bessie, hypotheticals based on scum!heury, reads list with Bessie and Kay town, heury and somi scum, feels better for Bessie to filp early, calculations for random fall (BTW, checked with the mod and Seven will not let the RNG bone us with an instant scum win). +2



Preferred fall order:
D1 Kay-somi
D2 Bop-bessie
D3 Mak-EGW

On the underlined, what do you make of Mak also being seemingly pretty aggressive about wanting to exit the game?


On the italized, thats actually really fucking useful, and makes me feel better about you a lot lol, i should've thought to ask

@Heury did you ever give your reasoning for your drop on the kay read? I don't see it. I would like it.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:10 pm I may be paranoid but I’m not sure how genuine I feel bananas progression on me is. Spent a few days giving many reasons to sus me and then when the more townread players pretty much don’t budge in their townreads on me, then the read turns around into a townread and strong enough for me to leave today? It feels a bit like wanting the player that has expressed the most doubt on them to not be around the rest of the game in case my read never changes and I articulate it well enough that others see it and agree. I’m not saying that’s what might happen, I have no idea how my reads will change but I can see scum being worried about it. Or it could be town realizing I’m town but I dunno, it makes me uneasy.

I think your forgetting I originally town leaned you. I lowered it to the middle, and gave a hypothetical scumteam with you in it when I was going against my general read at the time to consider if EGW flipped town. and I used you because I didn't have a strong grasp on Mak yet, and you were lowest in the list. Since that list you've gone up 2 slots, thats partly because those people you mentioned had good arguments. I'd really prefer somi bop, but I'd like more options than just that pair to be viable, increases the chances we get a pair tonight. Just wanted to defend myself a little here, I know you've been bothered by my reads on you the whole game, this is the logic from my POV.

Deadbananas0 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:11 pm re kay: I can understand why you would feel that, but also, what am I supposed to do? Not give my opinion because I've lost some trust? That just gives people less info to work with on me in the future. But heard, I'll try and back off from match making and let yall handle it, unless I really feel the need to jump in.

Working on new aggregates, then I'll get to other posts

I’m not asking you to not give your opinions or your reads, but I’m going to voice my concerns as well.