Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[EGW]

You mean the very thing you called EGW out on in what I quoted above?

Thea, curious on your response to this.

[bessie]

Brief bark! I need to go to my husband’s gig.

I'm going to start by commenting that having hammered me for making mistakes in my reads lists people are suddenly surprised that people don't want to do rapid ones. Oh my what a surprise /s

I’ve moved on from suspecting you for your reads list. I now suspect you for the “I do that as town or scum” comments.

Now I need to think of another I do this as town and this as scum just to make beasie happy.

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Fred, can you do all that in one post, collapsed? Otherwise if you intend to catch up to a lot of quotes it makes reading the game harder for others.

As I have been told in previous games, style is style.

EGW, refer to my post here. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73277#p73277
I asked Fred to break up posts if he needed, because the forum was eating his posts.

Fred, why didn’t you point this out to EGW yourself? -1

I disagree. It’s a preference.

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Its not a preference I asked him to do it. Are you reading my posts?

ok, reads list: Somi, Mak, Thea, and madge good; Seven and bessie bad (I really don't know why on bessie, you asked for gut and this is what is happening). EGW(-) and glue(=) are fine; need more content from Heury(-), Wam(=), moody(-), and JC(+) (Wam and JC promised more, this is good).

Thank you for this list Fred. +1
Looking forward to your expanded reads later.

I would be very surprised if she doesn't.

The opportunity to do something that you didn’t expect is soooo tempting.

1. Not at all I think you’re a master at it. I just don’t think that was your goal here.
2. Dislike.

To clarify, do you think I had some other goal or that I didn't do it on purpose?

No. More later I’m in a hurry.

Nope. I said D2 because I would need D2 info.

Fred you need to stop thinking about the game mechanics and concentrate on scum hunting. This is a basic game. -1


JC, have you formed any opinions on players yet?


Ninja’d while I was typing this out and I am totally out of time to read and respond anything I will pick up at the Fred post that I quoted.


Gut list with no reread, might contain duplicates!

Woof
bessie
Theallieza
EGW
Neutral line
Seven
Makhairia
Madge
Gluelock
somitomi
Heury
Moody
Wam
JC
Fred
Grr

[EGW]

EGW, refer to my post here. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73277#p73277
I asked Fred to break up posts if he needed, because the forum was eating his posts.

Ok thank you, that makes sense.

[JC_DADDY25]

Right now I'm getting scum vibes from Seven, because of the reason he gave for voting against the extension. I feel he would've voted for the extension if he was town.

I feel Gluelock and Fred may be connected. There was just something odd about the way he asked for the mod to prod Glue even though I and Huery hadn't posted either. Like i mentioned before, felt like it was intentional to distance himself and gave me scum vibes.

Right now, I'm getting town vibes from Bessie, EGW, and Mak.

[Seven]

I disagree. It’s a preference.

Its not a preference I asked him to do it. Are you reading my posts?

Yes, I was aware of your post and indirectly referenced it. Are you reading Fred's?

For Reference:

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(Doop side note please combine posts multiposting is one of my biggest pet peeves)

May I ask why? It's generally considered proper etiquette for forum mafia - editing is disallowed and having to break up a wall of text to address what's directed at you sucks.

I come from an almost entirely Forum Games background, where, except for a few notable exceptions, double posting is either disallowed or heavily penalized, so multiposting triggers my "that's illegal" response whenever I see it.

I disagree with Fred, I prefer smaller posts. Walls kill.

Noooo! I shall continue to post walls, as I believe my walls are important in sharing my entire thought process.

I'm fine when you do it Bessie. I understand your playstyle and time works with walls, and that is fine. I am saying I prefer not everyone do the same because then it becomes hard to read through everything. Also as people have said, multi-posting is required for mafia and therefore is legal so shouldn't be a problem for Fred.

I don't have an issue with walls. I have an issue with posts where the word to content ratio is horrifying. Haven't ran into that issue with anyone this game, though EGW has come to closest.

I like my posts to convey what I mean in as little words as possible. It makes it easy for others to understand quickly, and hard to twist, which I find to be good for town. Plus, none of my posts so far have been fluff, so there shouldn't be a problem.

I like walls better than multiposting, but to each their own

Side note, it's funny that George and Fred have both gotten on each other about this now:

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Side note: Close to the end of Day 1, adding to the summary starting after my read list. Hopefully 2 and 3 will be faster due to EGW not being around to spam posts. Like, seriously, just post a wall of text. And I know I'm doing it here, but at least I'm not posting individual replies piecemeal.

Millerizer Mafia

Also I'm not going to change my posting style. I do try to limit myself, that was me this game, and I think LaserGuy noticed that. However I do catch up posts with a wall, but that's about it.

And that Fred has issues both with walls and multiposts:

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A note to everyone posting text walls: Calm down. Only quote the relevant bit and keep the link in the quote structure. If someone wants context they can read more.

[Seven]

ping

Will you join George and I on Glue?

Right now I'm getting scum vibes from Seven, because of the reason he gave for voting against the extension. I feel he would've voted for the extension if he was town.

I feel Gluelock and Fred may be connected. There was just something odd about the way he asked for the mod to prod Glue even though I and Huery hadn't posted either. Like i mentioned before, felt like it was intentional to distance himself and gave me scum vibes.

Right now, I'm getting town vibes from Bessie, EGW, and Mak.

Will you join on Glue?

Woof
bessie
Theallieza
EGW
Neutral line
Seven
Makhairia
Madge
Gluelock
somitomi
Heury
Moody
Wam
JC
Fred
Grr

Will you vote Glue to secure an elimination?

[Seven]

me not I, before C except after E George and me and George

This isn't a crumb about Ice btw

[EGW]

Remember to read this Post and this Post.

[Theallieza]

So the usual suspects

Unfortunately, yes. I am pretty happy with my townreads but I hate it when I end up with a bunch of low posters as my PoE.

You mean the very thing you called EGW out on in what I quoted above?

I'm not confidently saying I've found the scum team, no. PoE is PoE. If I have 2 scum in my bottom 4 I'll be happy with my sort for toDay.

[heuristically_alone]

I don't think I've ever been so absent minded that a game exists such as this one.

I don't think lurking is particularly alignment indicative for Heury. I've seen him vanish strategically (with stellar results mind you), but I also recall him just dipping for a bit and this doesn't strike me as the former.

I only wish it was ever strategic

I'm surprised you say that.

I'm more interested in content equity than post size.

Yes you do

As before I associate lurking huery with scum huery.

100% agree. Though this game I haven't even been lurking.

Readsssssssss

Human
EGW
Somi
Heury
Madge
Freddino

Human or Dancer
Makhaira
Wam
Gluelock
Seven
moody
JC

Dancer (yes I'm making it about me me me)
Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.
Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me

When is deadline?

[EGW]

Friday. Heury, please read my previous post and tell me your thoughts. Preferably with a Gluelock vote.

[madge]

haaha now i'll remember you gluelock, thanks for the vote.

Madge, why didn't you vote Gluelock here?

I was voting for gluelock at some point wasn't I, and if I voted for everyone who votes for me in mafia i'd run out of people to vote for lol

EGW, where I called you scum for voting for me you can see it's clearly a Very Serious Reads List, where I townread bessie for doing a favour for a friend of mine. I didn't actually consider you scummy then, but you trying to justify a scumread on me based on a clear joke seems more suspicious than anything you're accusing me of doing

asidE: why the frick does nobody understand my sense of humour? Where's ConMan and ducky, we need more Aussie rep lol, nobody gets me!

At the risk of being accused of being scum for asking another question, what's AtE?

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My readslist again (nothing in here is a joke)

Townie: Fred, Gluelock, Mak, Somi (roughly that order)

Neutral: Thea, Wam, Moody (again roughly that order)

Voteable: JC, Heury (this is a tossup)

Perfectly within their meta but I struggle to read them: Seven (don't like the extension stuff but nulltell IMO), Bessie, EGW (completely ignoring the context quoted in my readslist)

Based on the above, I'm not joining the gluelock wagon unless it's to avoid Fred, Seven, Bessie, and maybe EGW being voted off. Or if it's at EOD tomorrow to avoid a no-lim.

[Wam]

I’ve moved on from suspecting you for your reads list. I now suspect you for the “I do that as town or scum” comments.

Now I need to think of another I do this as town and this as scum just to make beasie happy.

bessies birthday.png

Ah but knowing how you view would I do that town/scum comments would I do that as scum?

Bessie what's your JC read based on?

[Wam]

Right now I'm getting scum vibes from Seven, because of the reason he gave for voting against the extension. I feel he would've voted for the extension if he was town.

I feel Gluelock and Fred may be connected. There was just something odd about the way he asked for the mod to prod Glue even though I and Huery hadn't posted either. Like i mentioned before, felt like it was intentional to distance himself and gave me scum vibes.

Right now, I'm getting town vibes from Bessie, EGW, and Mak.

But Seven is an experienced player your logic falls.down based on them being able to think as either alignment. I actually have a slight lean the other way seven goes against consensus slightly more as town in my experience.

I do agree if glue flips scum fred needs looking at as scum are always more aware of their partners.

But JC you need a vote down!

I'm not massively liking the post above. I'm happy with glue or JC.

[EGW]

Wam please read my amazing discovery I think I solved the game here. (Involving Glue) Going back to sleep.

[Wam]

Wam please read my amazing discovery I think I solved the game here. (Involving Glue) Going back to sleep.

I did read it, not convinced but am open to the possibility.

[somitomi]

I think it is fairly unlikely that a post like this:

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

The rules are a general ruleset with allowances for daychat but we don't even have a confirmation that there are actual scum.The rules are the vaguest on actual mechanics that I have ever seen. It's either that this game is entirely vanilla, or Adum is hiding a big stinker (wth is the name for one of those games?) (also I always phone it in until I do my in-depth analysis)

September 4rd

Fake-Vote Adum

Comes from a wolf. It's just such a weird interpretation of the rules and Mafia the game in general that I would really struggle to see anyone with any sort of informed (i.e. non-town) perspective saying something like this. IIRC I found a few other similar examples.

Dangit, here I was generally not vibing with Freddino's posts lately, but this would be pretty epic faking.
Unvote

To me it seems kinda backward to try and pick off the mafiosi who are much harder to identify on D1 instead of the ones who already have enough content to analyse. Again, I'm not saying we should never elim lurkers, I'm just saying D1 seems like a suboptimal time to do it.

Lol sorry I missed the part where here, now, today, on D1 we have a scum candidate. Like ofc if Seven had said or done something super scummy I wouldn't hold off on voting them out out of my lurker principles or whatevs. Right now my two "keep around for now" people are Bessie and Seven and neither of them has done anything overly scummy. I'm not pleased with Seven refusing to vote for an extension on some weird principle, but I also know that having a weird principle is something Seven would do even as town and everything else has been pretty middle of the road.

All right, that is an annoyingly fair point.

Let's skip to D5, all that's left is you, JC, and Seven. I don't know about you but I'd really struggle to make a confident end of game decision based on JC's content right now. I don't know why this isn't more obvious?

That's been abundantly clear from the beginning, I'm not sure where the notion that not eliminating lurkers right now = definitely keeping them around to endgame comes from. I'm also not as concerned by that scenario as you are. I don't think I need to point this out, but JC would naturally have more content and crucially votes to analyse in an endgame situation than he does now and he may get sorted by PoE by that point. I'm not saying this wouldn't be a difficult call, but that's more the nature of endgame in general. I'd struggle to make a confident read of Seven right now...

Can you talk about the reason these three made the votables?

I agreed with EGW's point that Glue's emergent post had a highly suspect timing, his content since may do something to temper that, but I'm not recalling much to do that. Heury's been pure cotton candy. JC is probably the least votable of the votables, when he actually puts up some more posts I'll have an actual read.

I think JC has actually posted more than Heury but

Thanks to Seven's genius, I discovered why Madge had frustration. So imagine Thea is scum with Madge here, they try to move me off of Madge with null tells, but I show an example of something she did as millerizer and Thea had to agree. Notice, Madge is composed when I vote her, but she shows AtE when responding to Thea. Therefore, this is faked, not genuine frustration. This is why, upon entering the thread and slanking, Gluelock votes her. He has more insight on her alignment than others, so he voted her while not being active. Next, Thea tries to town clear Madge by saying she might have a town role, which is a very weak angle to tackle reading her slot. Therefore, if Gluelock / Madge flip scum, Thea is scum.

I don't actually see why Gluelock votes scummate!madge in this situation instead of doing literally anything else, but you may have a point with the Thea/madge connection

Fred you need to stop thinking about the game mechanics and concentrate on scum hunting. This is a basic game. -1

While I agree with your point about mechanics, how certain are you of that?

As before I associate lurking huery with scum huery.

100% agree. Though this game I haven't even been lurking.

Okay this is wild


EGW
bessie
Mak

Seven
madge
Theallizea
wam
fred

JC_Daddy
moody
Heury
Gluelock

I keep getting nowhere

[EGW]

Somi, join me and vote Gluelock.

[somitomi]

EBWOP:
I think JC has actually posted more than Heury, but maybe I'm nitpicking. Still, seems like a slightly odd distinction

(I should not be trying to post from work)

[somitomi]

Somi, join me and vote Gluelock.

Fine, I don't have any better ideas...

Vote: Gluelock

[EGW]

Thank you.

[moody7277]

EBWOP:
I think JC has actually posted more than Heury, but maybe I'm nitpicking. Still, seems like a slightly odd distinction

(I should not be trying to post from work)

Just did a quick count, and it's JC 11, heury 5. What I noticed most about heury's posts were the fluffiness, although it looks like his last one included reads.

[Freddino18]

And that Fred has issues both with walls and multiposts:

Yeah...

[Freddino18]

(btw that was a resigned tone, not asking what your point was)

[EGW]

Mak, I want to see an updated reads list and I want you to talk about my solve.