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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am Bessie, trying to claim it's serious content when it has me laughing about your reaction to Madge not having confirmations as "acknowledging Madge's scummieness" and has moody as possible scum with Madge for ignoring confirmations just makes my brain itch.

Why are you trying to claim it's serious when you could just... Do content now? I don't get your thought process here.

Hmmm, I’ll explain the moody read. It’s essentially a meta read that I don’t expect you to understand. I’ve played mafia with moody (and with Wam) longer than with anyone else in this game. He knows my strange quirks and my sense of humor and that I constantly clash with Madge because as far as mafia styles go Madge and I are exact opposites. Anyway, I would have expected a remark about no confirmation phase from moody, not like Wam’s joke, but something more aligned with moody's dry wit. It’s the omission I found interesting.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am Yep, this one specifically:

I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot.

I get that it's a townread and it suggests I'm bold, but if you're reading complex thoughts from it, please explain why and how.

Nothing complex, but I can tell you how I read it. From what I know of you, you have charisma to lead, and when you’re town your reads are good. Perhaps Thea thinks that you would be a good person join with as a town block.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am I also think that this runs counter to your estimation here, which I frankly largely agree with, but I don't see the reactions as particularly AI which means it's a null now with no promise of improving.

Could you explain which reactions you mean?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:36 am And specifically why you found them townie obviously.

I may have answered these questions in this post, refer to the last response to Santygrass. I clipped off the question, here’s the original quote.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:57 am

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:44 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:20 am Can you elaborate in your thea townread bessie?

Yes. I feel Thea’s self-imposed post restriction is something she is doing for fun, possibly for role playing. If it is role playing, I currently have no hope in figuring it out so I’m not even going to try. If the gambit is to gather information, I am willing to wait and see her conclusions. And while I am waiting, I am using the reactions to her content to refine my own reads.

I think her reaction to the backlash has been townie.

I mean, she can be doing it for fun as any alignment. That isnt towny.

What in specific about their reaction to the backlas did you like?

Thea didn’t feel pressured to change her style.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:09 amOne thing though, Mak was absolutely right I was stiff and just correctly identified the reason.

After seeing him expand on that, I did pick up on that too; I just considered it more to be fluffy than stiff.

Also correction on my post: Dancer* not PYP

Fred

So Mak can get some sleep.

EBWOP:

Vote: Fred

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:08 am So we know Madge communicated with him right before he claimed to read his role PM, both adding credibility to him not reading it before and that it was communicating with Madge that made him finally read it, not scumbuddies.

That it was a Gojoe communication was why I was asking for confirmation about where he talked with Madge. Why not just respond to the DMs? Could've been in response to the role PM. I was hoping to confirm this before revealing my thought process but too late in day.

Anyway that's what I think their story is credible and at the very least it wasn't their scumbuddies messaging them that made them read their role PM.

Adum, this is gaming the mod so take it for whatever, but Madge doesn't like day chat.

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:21 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am Bessie, trying to claim it's serious content when it has me laughing about your reaction to Madge not having confirmations as "acknowledging Madge's scummieness" and has moody as possible scum with Madge for ignoring confirmations just makes my brain itch.

Why are you trying to claim it's serious when you could just... Do content now? I don't get your thought process here.

Hmmm, I’ll explain the moody read. It’s essentially a meta read that I don’t expect you to understand. I’ve played mafia with moody (and with Wam) longer than with anyone else in this game. He knows my strange quirks and my sense of humor and that I constantly clash with Madge because as far as mafia styles go Madge and I are exact opposites. Anyway, I would have expected a remark about no confirmation phase from moody, not like Wam’s joke, but something more aligned with moody's dry wit. It’s the omission I found interesting.

... That you buried an actual meta reads in a joke, not just a joke list but coached inside jokes, that's probably the most infuriating explanation I've ever read in mafia, especially if you're being truthful.

Ok, then could you separate the reads that were pure jokes and which actually pinged you as AI? Also translate them for the class?

Also your response to Mak seems to presume that he would recognize it as content, what makes you think that he would read it as anything but a total joke out of annoyance at Madge taking your favorite toy?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am Yep, this one specifically:



I get that it's a townread and it suggests I'm bold, but if you're reading complex thoughts from it, please explain why and how.

Nothing complex, but I can tell you how I read it. From what I know of you, you have charisma to lead, and when you’re town your reads are good. Perhaps Thea thinks that you would be a good person join with as a town block.

The lack of nuance and complexity is the issue I have with this though, combined with the maybee. And I do think you could maintain this style and do it with layered quotes, but Thea hasn't

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:32 am I also think that this runs counter to your estimation here, which I frankly largely agree with, but I don't see the reactions as particularly AI which means it's a null now with no promise of improving.

Could you explain which reactions you mean?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:36 am And specifically why you found them townie obviously.

I may have answered these questions in this post, refer to the last response to Santygrass. I clipped off the question, here’s the original quote.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:57 am

I mean, she can be doing it for fun as any alignment. That isnt towny.

What in specific about their reaction to the backlas did you like?

Thea didn’t feel pressured to change her style.

Missed that, makes sense from your perspective but I don't think it's AI. Tends to be a sunk cost at this point.

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:35 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:08 am So we know Madge communicated with him right before he claimed to read his role PM, both adding credibility to him not reading it before and that it was communicating with Madge that made him finally read it, not scumbuddies.

That it was a Gojoe communication was why I was asking for confirmation about where he talked with Madge. Why not just respond to the DMs? Could've been in response to the role PM. I was hoping to confirm this before revealing my thought process but too late in day.

Anyway that's what I think their story is credible and at the very least it wasn't their scumbuddies messaging them that made them read their role PM.

Adum, this is gaming the mod so take it for whatever, but Madge doesn't like day chat.

You're right, I forgot that from last year and that makes it more likely that Fredd was telling the truth that it was Madge that got him to read his role PM.

Not that it matters, not enough people are up to swing anyway.

I have zero time and no fun quote, but I hardclaim mason. Fred is my partner.

Yes there is daychat, btw

I was about to hammer so Mak could sleep but, Mason claim.


Anyway, comfortable for now with Mak, Santy, Seven, but Seven is gut for now.

Still reading Wam as scummy.

Think Thea is the best yeet out of the nulls.

Need to review Bessie because that entrance post into EOD was seemed grimy BUT I'm starting to think she believes it.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:46 am I have zero time and no fun quote, but I hardclaim mason. Fred is my partner.

Just got here and catching up but I'd jt actually stated that Fred is town in your role pm?

Should've removed the comment on Thea tbh, if freddino flips Mason then we know Thea's alignment.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:49 am Should've removed the comment on Thea tbh, if freddino flips Mason then we know Thea's alignment.

Are you suggesting that we still elim Fred?

Question for people who play with Thea, how likely do you think they'd be to claim their scum partner as a mason?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:51 am Question for people who play with Thea, how likely do you think they'd be to claim their scum partner as a mason?

Thea is smart, it would be very silly to save Fred by claiming Mason here since it would take them both down eventually.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:49 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:49 am Should've removed the comment on Thea tbh, if freddino flips Mason then we know Thea's alignment.

Are you suggesting that we still elim Fred?

No that was resignation talking, but suddenly people have appeared and I like your plan.

vote: Wam

Looks like my neighborhoody theory might be correct. One of Santy and Wam may be pocketing the other. Santy's aggression toward scum reads of Wam actually seems more to fit that bill actually.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:51 am Question for people who play with Thea, how likely do you think they'd be to claim their scum partner as a mason?

D3 onwards 100% could see it this early I agree with seven no.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:47 am I was about to hammer so Mak could sleep but, Mason claim.


Anyway, comfortable for now with Mak, Santy, Seven, but Seven is gut for now.

Still reading Wam as scummy.

Think Thea is the best yeet out of the nulls.

Need to review Bessie because that entrance post into EOD was seemed grimy BUT I'm starting to think she believes it.

So you won't vote Fred because of Mason claim, but you're willing to vote his mason?

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:54 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:47 am I was about to hammer so Mak could sleep but, Mason claim.


Anyway, comfortable for now with Mak, Santy, Seven, but Seven is gut for now.

Still reading Wam as scummy.

Think Thea is the best yeet out of the nulls.

Need to review Bessie because that entrance post into EOD was seemed grimy BUT I'm starting to think she believes it.

So you won't vote Fred because of Mason claim, but you're willing to vote his mason?

I don't wanna vote either.

That comment was hastily edited after the mason claim.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:38 am ... That you buried an actual meta reads in a joke, not just a joke list but coached inside jokes, that's probably the most infuriating explanation I've ever read in mafia, especially if you're being truthful.

I am thinking about making this my signature.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:38 am Ok, then could you separate the reads that were pure jokes and which actually pinged you as AI? Also translate them for the class?

Wam – Wam knew this would irk me and is playfully taking a poke at me, which is kinda bold. I have a reputarion for tunneling, and I feel that other players like to tread carefully around me until I latch on to someone else. So I think this is townie of him.

somitomi – somi knew this would irk me and is offering sympathy. I don’t get as much as a townie ping as I did from Wam, but still a townie ping. I have a history of tunneling somi into the ground on D1 so he would want to avoid direct confrontation with me.

Santygrass – I get a feeling that in making a confirmation post (i.e., playing along), they are trying to be open with me and show that they have nothing to hide. I also like their early focus on the setup. Town lean.

Theallieza – I also approve of self-imposed post restrictions and role playing. Town lean.

AdumbroDeus – Decent opening. No strong lean one way or the other. Townie side of neutral.

JC_DADDY25 – Neutral.

Freddino18 – I don’t like his opening posts. Scum lean.

moody7277 – Explained in previous post.

Seven – Claims he was looking forward to my confirmation post analysis, however, does not make a confirmation post for me to analyze. I think his opening post is a deliberate attempt to subtlety buddy me and hide his alignment from me at the same time.
Pre-post edit: I totally agree with Santy’s astute observation here.
This read stands as is.

Ya trusting this, crazy all in from scum!thea if that's what's happening and not a smart one with santy sorting vig

Vote: Bessie

I'm ending here for the night I think like I'm passing out holding the phone

I understand if yall go elsewhere but I will def judge you all if you pick wrong and will take full responsibility and heat for the misyeet if yall sheep me and bessie is green

With santy softing* vig