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moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:49 pm Well, scum having safe claims means mass claim is worthless; bessie should be happy with that.

Even with powerful town, 6-3 is a definite no, so 7-2 sounds right.

And yes, even when he's not playing, scum!Swiss is such a threat that I had some knee weakness from Seven's bit of fun.

Vote: JC
for confirming last

I like EGW getting straight to business.
somi's thing is a little weird, but understandable considering how often they are suspected early.

Even if somi's on the up and up, there's still a 50% chance you or wam are scum.

It certainly isn't helpful to town to have your row distracting the rest from proper analysis.

To me it sounds OP af for scum to be able to thunderdome, because they could force a miselim, and the side effect Seven mentioned would be useless.

Disagree strongly with this. Thunderdoming has such strong effects that it should be tactical or, as EGW said he did, not used at all.

Unvote

If as it seems RVS is over, I don't want my frivolous vote to be part of a wagon until I do my full read through, which I'll get to after work today.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:11 am Flips are important enough that I'm going to FoS anyone who votes for it. I was in a game without flips, and town got steamrolled.

Swiss wrote:Who do you know, how well, and how experienced are you. Link to another game you've played as Town.

Played a bunch: Boomforg, wam, huery, bessie, Sabrar
Played with some: Mak, Seven
New to me: Swiss, Fred, JC, Fonti

I've played off and on for about a decade on this forum and it's predecessor, figure I'm maybe a B-level player.

Sorceror's 11 mafia

PS, that avatar is going to have me mistake you for bessie at least once in this game.

Perq vote: Godfather, Rolecop

@bessie: If you have Unmafia archived, that would be the stuff of nightmares re Janitor.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:40 am Roleblocker is bad because of our information powers possibly being shut down, and two chances at it is worse
Rolecop is not as bad because scum already know what powers town has, so it's only a matter of seeing who got what for them
I don't have enough info on vengful mafiate to give a good opinion, based on the name it would be that scum has a kill upon being elimed?
Janitor is the devil
Godfather I feel comfortable we can work around with interaction analysis

Adum wrote:Madge replaces heuristically_alone

As much as Madge hates D1, I can't wait to hear her feelings about D0.

W. Doc/Vig/Mason sounds like scum's best choice due to excluding the most powerful choices.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:12 pm

boomfrog wrote:Why do you think the setup options contain both doc and weak doc? Why is Vig not powerful?

I don't, that is weak doctor/vigilante/masonizer. Scum might give town vig due to the consequenses of it going wrong, whereas cop and doctor don't have a downside as dire.

Sabrar wrote:GF being protected from Vig is a factor but less so

It's more than just "shows up to cops as town"? Well chirp that, I've been assuming what I've always heard about the roles.

unvote Godfather
vote Vengeful

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:56 am Well, two posts doesn't necessarily make a pattern, but heury is doing something interesting

Vote: Adum

Sus exclamation point is sus.

I figured it's been long enough that that cliche belongs to everyone now.

Bessie read: +4.

Mak getting confused by BF using non-standard language looks honest to me, although them skimming the intro flavor text is a little troubling.

BF is acting like what I remember of old, which right now is comforting, we'll see if that holds up D2 and on. The reason for switching to a serious vote is a pretty good one.

Also I was unknowingly paralleling LaserGuy's reasoning, which terrifies me.

@Laserguy: I'm willing to say that whether they were skimming or not is maybe a difference in a +1 and +1.5 read on Mak at this point. Boomfrog seemed to be making a bigger deal of it IMO. My view on the game is that mafia="Kill all humans" AIs, and town="serve and obey and keep men from harm" AIs.

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:06 am So far:

Town: Laserguy, Seven
Scum: Madge.

Vote: Madge

madge wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:07 pm town = bessie, for book favours; seven, for being cool calm and collective
scum = egw, for voting for me

i won't be posting tomorrow (probably), busy day.

d1 is just vibes for me anyway. i expect to be around at deadline

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:09 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:10 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:16 ambut I feel like if it were a joke and it was obvious I didn't get it she would have acknowledged my comment.

This and her excitement are why she's scum here.

Does it change your read that she is saying it wasn't a joke? I don't think either of these things are alignment indicative for Madge.

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:19 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:09 pmDoes it change your read that she is saying it wasn't a joke? I don't think either of these things are alignment indicative for Madge.

No. She did this as third party scum before, Bessie pointed out that she was joking when I had a problem with her lack of follow up. Example below:

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:34 am Madge, why are you not responding to Bessies answer to your question?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:53 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:19 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:09 pmDoes it change your read that she is saying it wasn't a joke? I don't think either of these things are alignment indicative for Madge.

No. She did this as third party scum before, Bessie pointed out that she was joking when I had a problem with her lack of follow up. Example below:

EGW wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:34 am Madge, why are you not responding to Bessies answer to your question?

Interesting. This is useful to know.

madge wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:27 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:53 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:19 pm

No. She did this as third party scum before, Bessie pointed out that she was joking when I had a problem with her lack of follow up. Example below:

Interesting. This is useful to know.

oh my god read the context! Bessie told me on PAGE ONE that she didn't like my content. what psycopath thinks that this means ANYTHING? also like what, u think that because i thought something serious(????? was bessie possibly serious about my content on PAGE ONE not b eing good enough? knowing bessie PROBABLY because she has 5D chess but SERIOUSLY??? PAGE ONE???????? i dare you to find a g ame in HISTORY where i had good content on PAGE FREAKING ONE)

this is why i don't play mafia much, people misinterpret me because i am too much of a manic pixie dream girl for 'em

bessie - i know u love confirmation post analysis and u missed ONE important thing: not only do i get to talk about myself to an audience but i get to SAVE THE DAY by replacing in and start the game after 2 days of post-confirmation waiting. so i was excited to come in and save the day. which apparently m akes me scum, so whatever. i always get read scum. i'll try and do better this time, but it's off to a great start since i *c hecked notes* asked a genuine, non-joke question and *checks notes* was excited to play this game thing we are all playing for fun???????

yeah i don't take things personally, i take EVERYTHING personally, everything is about me, i think i could legit be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder except even though i have narcissistic feelings about myself i don't do any of the personality disorder stuff around being mean, which is prob for the best because being mean sucks and also getting d iagnosed with NPD, whooo boy, the stigma amirite?

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

@MAK: no i mean cool calm and collective. it's a reference to Survivor 30: Blue Collar vs White Collar vs No Collar, Rodney LaVoie Jr used the phrase to describe himself. and it's vibes. i am telling you it's all vibes, Seven normally has a very imposing manner about them and this time it's slightly less imposing.

@heury: oh my god i got super addicted to slay the spire and then i found out you can install mods in steam so i got addicted to downfall and all the mods t hat add new cards and events, such a good game!!!!


ACTUAL GAME THOUGHTS THAT MATTER (everything else can prob be skipped):

i am confused about how anyone can get readings from somi and moody, i have forgotten about them already. Seven and bessie are both larger than life, but that doesn't mean they're town, just that they have impressions on things? a trap i find i fall into is town-reading high volume/highly logical players

as much as EGW sucks for voting for me, i don't actually want to keep my joke vote on much longer as i can see myself doing confirmation bias of why i think EGW is scummy scum, so i'll unvote to improve neutrality:

unvote EGW

for a setup, with 13 players i'd imagine we have a third party. given it's a mountainous game (is that the right term?), i'd expect 2-3 scum, but i am no expert scum balancer.

subjective vibes-based groupings of all players:

posting is noticeable, but this doesn't mean they're town: bessie, seven

don't even remember them posting: wam, gluelock, moody7277

middle of the road: makhaira, somitomi, EGW

seems to be phoning it in: heuri, madge, Theallieza, Freddino18, JC_DADDY25

I was going to rank people within the groupings but I think mak is the towniest middle person and Thea is the towniest phoning it in person (apart from me obviously, but i wanted to be honest about which group i belong in).

in general i on't want to vote off the "noticeable posters" group, because they'll have enough rope. i think the don't remember posting group is the most fertile ground for looking for voteoff candidates, because if i can't remember that they're posting then i'm not going to remember their scummy or twonie actions, and in a vacuum we want to get rid of people who are hard to vote off later. i say that as someone who is often kept until the end by scum because i am so bad at this game, it's an absolute pain if halfway through we're left with the "phoning it in" players because we have so little to go on. i remember in one game we were voting between 2 candidates and one had just kinda fallen off the map for several half Days so we had very, very little to go on.

i personally believe the D1 vote is a crapshoot so best to shoot those craps amongst the people we will be frustrated about not having enough information on later

Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:38 pm

madge wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:27 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:53 pm

Interesting. This is useful to know.

oh my god read the context! Bessie told me on PAGE ONE that she didn't like my content. what psycopath thinks that this means ANYTHING? also like what, u think that because i thought something serious(????? was bessie possibly serious about my content on PAGE ONE not b eing good enough? knowing bessie PROBABLY because she has 5D chess but SERIOUSLY??? PAGE ONE???????? i dare you to find a g ame in HISTORY where i had good content on PAGE FREAKING ONE)

this is why i don't play mafia much, people misinterpret me because i am too much of a manic pixie dream girl for 'em

bessie - i know u love confirmation post analysis and u missed ONE important thing: not only do i get to talk about myself to an audience but i get to SAVE THE DAY by replacing in and start the game after 2 days of post-confirmation waiting. so i was excited to come in and save the day. which apparently m akes me scum, so whatever. i always get read scum. i'll try and do better this time, but it's off to a great start since i *c hecked notes* asked a genuine, non-joke question and *checks notes* was excited to play this game thing we are all playing for fun???????

yeah i don't take things personally, i take EVERYTHING personally, everything is about me, i think i could legit be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder except even though i have narcissistic feelings about myself i don't do any of the personality disorder stuff around being mean, which is prob for the best because being mean sucks and also getting d iagnosed with NPD, whooo boy, the stigma amirite?

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

@MAK: no i mean cool calm and collective. it's a reference to Survivor 30: Blue Collar vs White Collar vs No Collar, Rodney LaVoie Jr used the phrase to describe himself. and it's vibes. i am telling you it's all vibes, Seven normally has a very imposing manner about them and this time it's slightly less imposing.

@heury: oh my god i got super addicted to slay the spire and then i found out you can install mods in steam so i got addicted to downfall and all the mods t hat add new cards and events, such a good game!!!!


ACTUAL GAME THOUGHTS THAT MATTER (everything else can prob be skipped):

i am confused about how anyone can get readings from somi and moody, i have forgotten about them already. Seven and bessie are both larger than life, but that doesn't mean they're town, just that they have impressions on things? a trap i find i fall into is town-reading high volume/highly logical players

as much as EGW sucks for voting for me, i don't actually want to keep my joke vote on much longer as i can see myself doing confirmation bias of why i think EGW is scummy scum, so i'll unvote to improve neutrality:

unvote EGW

for a setup, with 13 players i'd imagine we have a third party. given it's a mountainous game (is that the right term?), i'd expect 2-3 scum, but i am no expert scum balancer.

subjective vibes-based groupings of all players:

posting is noticeable, but this doesn't mean they're town: bessie, seven

don't even remember them posting: wam, gluelock, moody7277

middle of the road: makhaira, somitomi, EGW

seems to be phoning it in: heuri, madge, Theallieza, Freddino18, JC_DADDY25

I was going to rank people within the groupings but I think mak is the towniest middle person and Thea is the towniest phoning it in person (apart from me obviously, but i wanted to be honest about which group i belong in).

in general i on't want to vote off the "noticeable posters" group, because they'll have enough rope. i think the don't remember posting group is the most fertile ground for looking for voteoff candidates, because if i can't remember that they're posting then i'm not going to remember their scummy or twonie actions, and in a vacuum we want to get rid of people who are hard to vote off later. i say that as someone who is often kept until the end by scum because i am so bad at this game, it's an absolute pain if halfway through we're left with the "phoning it in" players because we have so little to go on. i remember in one game we were voting between 2 candidates and one had just kinda fallen off the map for several half Days so we had very, very little to go on.

i personally believe the D1 vote is a crapshoot so best to shoot those craps amongst the people we will be frustrated about not having enough information on later

Vote: Madge

madge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:52 am haaha now i'll remember you gluelock, thanks for the vote.

deadline is at noon my time but i have a meeting from 11-12 that day at work so i won't be online for deadline unless it finishes early (which it does sometimes)

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:26 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:28 am Gluelock and Wam are scum. I think people are latching on to the wrong thing to scumread Somi. I'd rather see his reads and his overall play. I'm neutral on Moody.

I am very suspicious of this. I feel like you are going for the most low-hanging fruit. Doesn't feel like a legit attempt at a solve to me.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:50 pmMadge: Pretty sure she townslipped hard.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:48 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 5:23 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:50 pmMadge: Pretty sure she townslipped hard.

Can you elaborate on this?

Vote: Moody

Madge said something that I feel strongly implied she has a specific Town role.