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bessie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:52 am

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:58 am This is crazy. FoS for asking someone their reasoning because i haven't yet done it. Stifles discussion and an easy way to throw barbs at me - which I think she's only doing because I've called it that her vibe is off. ESPECIALLY since she knew i was out of the country, with low activity, and openly recognised that I hadnt gone more into detail on her. Feels OMGUSY (oh my god you suck for voting me)

No. This is a very reasonable point and you deserve an FoS for it. I did not stifle discussion, nor discourage Sabrar from answering your question. Yes I think it is suspicious for someone to make a pattern of asking others for reads but not providing their own. Why are you so upset about having someone express suspicion of you? I did not vote for you, I used my FoS to note something so I wouldn’t forget it.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:29 am I would like to remind people that I am not familiar with all of the abbreviations being used and do not wish to constantly ask what one or the other means.

I already am suspicious of a couple of individuals due to their picks and reasoning, but am waiting to hear from everyone before I start asking those people questions. I don't really have anything else to say so early in the day.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:43 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:34 pm When I was saying 2 shot RB and godfather were my top picks to give scum, that was my initial position just in the context of "which scum roles do I think are the least threatening in a vacuum not knowing what town roles that scum selected

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:53 pm do you believe anything about this alternative "mathy" take on the game strategy is alignment indicative in any way? You say its a fresh perspective which you "like." Is that meant to convey you enjoyed the perspective from an academic standpoint or you think this type of perspective on the game, or even as just applied to this setup, is town alignment indicative? If so why

Swiss wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:54 am

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:40 pm Wam - disagree but I'm normally a scum lean day 1 irrespective of alignment

Need other people to weigh in here.

Swiss wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:05 am
Let's wagon someone.

vote seven

Sabrar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:12 pm With that said I think I found a potential town-slip by wam. This sucks.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:34 pm

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:13 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:14 pm Sabrar what is your read on fonti?

I like how they constantly reevaluated the roles D0. I don't agree with some of their opinion but they gave reasonable explanation. I've especially like this fresh perspective.
D1 they are expressing an opinion on a bunch of players (which again I like) but their main content is their argument with you. I am not impartial here and I think fonti's concerns are legitimate. You are doing exactly what you accuse fonti of, namely twisting their words. You accuse them of saying that you think GF + roleblock are the best roles for scum. That's not what they said. They said that you as scum would have hoped for those roles. And you did claim that exactly.
So overall I have a townlean on fonti.

im not twisting anything. You both are failing to read the appropriate context

When I was saying 2 shot RB and godfather were my top picks to give scum, that was my initial position just in the context of "which scum roles do I think are the least threatening in a vacuum not knowing what town roles that scum selected

When I said scum!Me "would hope for roleblocker and godfather for counterplay" that was in the specific context of me answering Booms question of what roles I would give town if I were scum.

"So yeah my final picks would prob be masonizer, cop, weak doc, and then hope my team atleast gets a godfather or roleblocker atleast for some counterplay"

Thats the full quote, and it boggles my mind that yall somehow are acting like my first picks for what powers to give the scum from town!Me POV, somehow contradicts me saying that if I were scum and gave town x,y,z roles, I would hope for roles a and b because they would atleast give some counterplay

now the question is are sab and fonti legit confused or just scum skimming

Sabrar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:43 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:53 pm do you believe anything about this alternative "mathy" take on the game strategy is alignment indicative in any way? You say its a fresh perspective which you "like." Is that meant to convey you enjoyed the perspective from an academic standpoint or you think this type of perspective on the game, or even as just applied to this setup, is town alignment indicative? If so why

I enjoyed it as a pure math-exercise but I also think it is alignment-indicative, as it goes contrary to scum's usual count of 'how many townies do we need to misyeet'.

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:32 pm Swiss, I think if you're really townreading Mak, you should talk about why and find a better yeet.

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:32 pm Seven, hey my dude, I feel kind of bored with you this game. I'm not used to that feeling, and I'm wondering if it means you're scum. What's up?

Swiss wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:44 pm

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:32 pm Swiss, I think if you're really townreading Mak, you should talk about why and find a better yeet.

Yeah I sit here cognizant of this. You should read my bessie post.

I have quoted FF's good & bad posts in my catchups. His though process is sincere imo - he thinks he's scumhunting and that's all that matters. I refuse to nail my balls to the mast that he's town - but they're on the ship, ya know?

The 'scummy' post I originally highlighted is bad, but most of his posts are good. I feel like I started this snowball and am now watching it roll down the mountain unsure on where it will end up

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:37 pm Interesting.

I think my view of the math part is the same across ganes, regardless of my alignment, because it's actually complimentary with scum thoughts on misyeets.

I think this is a poor reason to townread me.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:57 pm

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:37 pm Interesting.

I think my view of the math part is the same across ganes, regardless of my alignment, because it's actually complimentary with scum thoughts on misyeets.

I think this is a poor reason to townread me.

Obviously you know your own mind better, I don't think this topic ever came up previously in our games.

Swiss wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:06 am

bessie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:52 am

Swiss wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:58 am This is crazy. FoS for asking someone their reasoning because i haven't yet done it. Stifles discussion and an easy way to throw barbs at me - which I think she's only doing because I've called it that her vibe is off. ESPECIALLY since she knew i was out of the country, with low activity, and openly recognised that I hadnt gone more into detail on her. Feels OMGUSY (oh my god you suck for voting me)

No. This is a very reasonable point and you deserve an FoS for it. I did not stifle discussion, nor discourage Sabrar from answering your question. Yes I think it is suspicious for someone to make a pattern of asking others for reads but not providing their own. Why are you so upset about having someone express suspicion of you? I did not vote for you, I used my FoS to note something so I wouldn’t forget it.

You cover off, quite reasonably, other objections.

This however I still hate. You won't "let" me question Sabrar with a quick one-liner because I haven't responded with an indepth post to you yet. Yet you knew I was abroad with low activity posting via mobile. Why should my short term inability to post in depth to you stop me from posting a one liner to others? Doesn't add up.

Pettiness. I think scum!bessie likely to be more careful to want to appear reasonable. That or it's just an opportunity to focus on a Swiss-Bessie argument and exempts you from posting and engaging with others.

fontisian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:32 pm Swiss, I'm confused by your argument. You think Bessie is scummy because she's not as amenable as you'd expect, but you also think scum!Bessie is more careful to try to seem reasonable? These two thoughts seem contradictory.

I have seen Bessie be inflexible regardless of her alignment. I think she's the kind of player who gets locked into feelings.