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EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:14 pmFred I'm waiting for your list.

Those typically take 12 hours for me, expect something early Day 2. I go through and summarize every post in a doc, then take notes, then consolidate into reads.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:17 pmThose typically take 12 hours for me, expect something early Day 2. I go through and summarize every post in a doc, then take notes, then consolidate into reads.

Is there no way you can do a scumpick list for now at least. Two to three suspects with reasoning. No deep analysis required for that.

Also Somi while you are at it, can you talk to me about your wam town lean? Where does that come from.

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:19 pmIs there no way you can do a scumpick list.

no

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:16 pm

somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:12 pmsuslean: Theallizea, Freddino

Ok, go into these two for me then. Flesh out the reasoning.

I called them gut feels for a reason, there isn't much reasoning. Thea is mostly the one ping I had about the votes, Freddino seems to be active lurking a bit

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:40 pm Also Somi while you are at it, can you talk to me about your wam town lean? Where does that come from.

I had this thought that mafia is more careful with their posting and thus less likely to goof a reads list like wam did.

Dammit it's past midnight again and I haven't done any of the rereading I intended

Vote: Freddino

If necessary I'll switch to Gluelock, but I'll do so under duress

btw reason for sig change here

Town [EGW > Seven > Theallieza > Mak > Fred > Bessie > Madge | Heury, JC, Gluelock | Wam > Moody > Somi] Scum

EGW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:27 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:37 pmYou've been obsessively focused on my read on somi for the past 3-4 pages. So your defense of him is noted. Somi's Town and scum play are virtually identical. I told you this already when I explained his meta. My read on him is marginal. I don't have a lot of strong scumreads this game, which bothers me quite a bit, but I have a number of solid townreads, so my PoE is not that large. I don't mean LHF in the sense that they are new. I mean LHF in the sense that at the time they had no appreciable content and confidently saying that both are scum seems like a huge overreach based on the content they had at the time.

Well see here now. You keep saying you'll note it down, what's the purpose to you saying that? Currently your read on Somi is weak, so of course I want to focus on it, and I will press you on it if I feel the need to. His scumplay and town play are not virtually identical. I've seen it, multiple times. I think you are misunderstanding me, and I want to make sure you are correct on Somi. Also, I can understand the frustration with weak reads. I also had weak reads when I was pushing for Gluelock and Wam. So maybe you can understand my mindset with that. Also I would like to talk over your wavering read on Seven, I can help with that one.

"Your defense of X has been noted" is bessie-speak for roughly, "This feels like a partner interaction and I will keep it in mind if one of you flip scum".

So help me out then, if you think you have a strong reason to believe Somi is scum (or Town), I would love to hear it.

I'll come back to Seven later, I'm feeling sick and I'm not sure how much I'll be around for the rest of the day. Seven not a D1 problem.

Extension is nice in the sense I won't be groggy next day at work after staying up until 11pm, and hopefully we can get some more from JC as well as Gluelock.

Non-votables: Bessie, EGW, Fred, Mak, somi

Votables: Glue, heury, JC(depending on further content)

People not listed I would possibly switch to for the purpose of majority elim.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:26 am IMO yeet wam or JC if they don't have something meaningful up in 24 hours, yeet JC over wam unless wam is obviously wack

moody and somi both feel weird and can probably go

heury glue and bessie are all kind of true null for me rn

I gut read madge's manicpost as town so light lean there, also similar gut read on freddy based on his early game play

seven and egw I just frankly need more from to be able to read and thea seems to be trying to solve and communicate legit reads I guess but none of them should be plays at this point for various nebulous reasons

For those wondering, this post was what turned me towards assuming Mak is scum. They’re trying to establish a narrative and it just don’t feel genuine to me.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:01 am Mak - town
EGW - town
Thea - Town

Somi - lean town
Bessie - lean town
Huery - lean town

Moody - neutral
Madge - neutral
JC - neutral, lack of content

Egw - lean scum, weird vibes but can't put my finger on what is making me suspicious.
Fred - lean scum, again not sure why but something is pinging me


Madge scummy , but always is day 1.
Glue - scummy one line vote having been quiet doesn't show desire to solve.

Don't like seven going day 1 solved and being quiet

vote seven

Happy with seven or Glue.

Reading this with Mak scum aligned felt like a way to align on me and also push a different direction (with the vote on seven) while setting precedent to swap on to me later. Maybe it’s tin foil hat but those are were my vibes.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:11 amSo help me out then, if you think you have a strong reason to believe Somi is scum (or Town), I would love to hear it.

I felt he might have been town for being more active than I have seen him in his scum game, however I read Baldur's gate mafia and compared it to this game and it doesn't feel the same. For example he had a weak town ping on Heury and defended him hard which annoyed me, and things like that are lacking here in this game. Stronger positions are lacking from him. I also thought it odd he didn't really mention Wam much at all, who he townleans. (He did mention he wasn't sure what to think about the reads list, and that was it) Compare that to Baldur's gate mafia, and he argued with me persistently about Heury. Let's look at this:

Compare this:

somitomi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:33 amOn reread I realised that vote is Heury's first post, so why is that not an RVS vote in your mind? I personally have Heury in the nulltown category so far, nothing really stands out either way. Heury has been eliminated on D1 before for his posts being weird but in my experience that's just as likely to come from town!heury

somitomi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:58 amI disagree about Heury's vote not being basically RVS,it's just part of enthusiastically agreeing to my proposal (which was intened more as early game banter than any serious alliance by the way) rather than any indication of Heury's read on bessie. I do see where you're coming from and why you wanted to question it though and the resulting discussion helped me sort you into the townish pile.

To this:

somitomi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:24 pmNot sure what to make of wam's list, EGW is there twice but Seven isn't anywhere

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:28 am Gluelock and Wam are scum. I think people are latching on to the wrong thing to scumread Somi. I'd rather see his reads and his overall play. I'm neutral on Moody.

@EGW — How did you arrive at this so confidently? By this point I’d made one RVS vote lol

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:31 am Vote: Gluelock

His entrance feels like he was already caught up and only posted when called out (reactive) rather than posting actively. Madge, vote with me.

Oh I see now, maybe I’ll hold off on live reaction posting lol.

Still odd but i understand the logic you provided.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:57 am

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:31 am Vote: Gluelock

His entrance feels like he was already caught up and only posted when called out (reactive) rather than posting actively. Madge, vote with me.

I said I was happy with either so will join you

unvote

Vote gluelock

The pivot I was expecting.

In fact this little interaction between EGW and Wam read as possible pairing to me.

Gluelock wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:41 am@EGW — How did you arrive at this so confidently? By this point I’d made one RVS vote lol

You were viewing the thread, and simply voted Madge. That's not RVS since you quoted her big post. So put simply, felt like you were caught slanking. Wam's reads look fake. Why did it take you so long to re-engage?

Gluelock wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:42 amOh I see now, maybe I’ll hold off on live reaction posting lol.

Still odd but i understand the logic you provided.

I was expecting this kind of post much earlier in the thread, is my concern. It's happening now, when you had to be prodded twice.

gonna post as soon as I finish this other thing.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:26 pm

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:28 am Gluelock and Wam are scum. I think people are latching on to the wrong thing to scumread Somi. I'd rather see his reads and his overall play. I'm neutral on Moody.

I am very suspicious of this. I feel like you are going for the most low-hanging fruit. Doesn't feel like a legit attempt at a solve to me.

Thea seems town to me here. Picking up on same vibes I did and I like that.

The double contentless vote seems suspicious to me. Keeping my vote on EGW because he changed after Somi.

Sorry, forgot to check the game. I'm here though last thing I read was on page 5.

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