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EOD2 wam give final reads with somi super low and moody super town, moody then late votes wam putting him to E-1, this would be a good bus setup for moody if wam and somi saw moody as the anchor which he probably was best postured to be in that moment of the game

somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:36 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:30 pm It's pretty simple. Wam saw everyone who visited me, Wam didn't know my role. I claimed that I didn't have a lightning rod power and that I didn't have role knowledge of any misdirections, implying I wasn't a psychic. So, what explains them believing me about being the NK target? What explains them not caring about my rationale for the belief?

Especially after Seven pointed out the investigations cancel each other out and I could be a godfather?

Even if they, as they claim, had that strong of a townread on me, why aren't they trying to figure out my role to learn what I know? That they figured it out so quickly shows they could've done it easily if they put in the effort.

It just doesn't make sense from a town-Wam perspective.

Thanks you, that makes sense now.

Vote: Wam

I believe that's E-1

this is a strange SvS interaction if its adum, ez excuse to hop on wagon for bus credit if its wam

Here

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:32 am

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:45 am I was 99% sure so didn't ask before but went and doible checked .

Yes if someone had carried out the nk.but not used a power I would have seen them.

why would it matter whether a slot multitasked at night if your watcher power simply returns the role name of anyone that targets your target at night?

Beacause I wanted to.double check that I didn't only see role power usage and confirm i would see factional power usage.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:20 am

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:45 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:52 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:34 am
Do you think that Bessie's cop on you didn't come into play for people's read on you?

wait wtf bessie copped me? how did I miss that?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 3:32 am

quoting to ping only

to each of you, why would the other player kill Seven at the point Seven was NKd? What did they have to gain/lose? Give me full thoughts

You could at least read my giant wall of text from re read.

But basically two reasons. 1) as I stated before I think jt was all to get to this point with me as the obvious elim. 2) someone else mentioned it in my re read, seven was the only protective power left.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:06 am

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:48 pm So have started this post and got distracted multiple.times this afternoon so apologies for any mistakes.

So I think we can POE this out

Town core
Adum
Seven
Fred
Thea

Possible elim targets
Bessie
JC
Makhaira
Moody
Santygrass
Seven
Somi
Wam

Within the ab

Wam wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:49 pm Ebwop I did not mean to post that. Will keep going and finish it!

Wam can you reexplain what exactly happened here

I was phone posting with multiple tabs open and hit submit not preview and posted the.lust early.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:47 am Here

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:32 am

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:45 am I was 99% sure so didn't ask before but went and doible checked .

Yes if someone had carried out the nk.but not used a power I would have seen them.

why would it matter whether a slot multitasked at night if your watcher power simply returns the role name of anyone that targets your target at night?

Beacause I wanted to.double check that I didn't only see role power usage and confirm i would see factional power usage.

no I mean if your role simply returns the role name of each player who targeted your target, regardless of whether the ability they used was personal, factional, or if they multitasked, wouldn't whether someone multitasked be irrelevant?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:58 am deadline is just about 5 hours from now just reposting for visibility https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/6 ... t-6-starts

wam we need you to show up asap

Like are you even reading my posts?

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:41 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:13 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:28 pm

I think that all chrono gardeners are town but I don’t think all town are necessarily chrono gardeners. I don’t think Madge and Sabrar would make it that simple.

do you have something you can ground this claim in or is this pure speculation based on your expectations of the mods?

Combination of claims, my flavour if I squint at it and mod expectations.

I should be around for the next 3 hours or so. Then back online in 12 hours or so.

I think I was bang on time! Your push was 5am!

how much time do each of you have btw before you go to bed? whoever is going to bed earliest should really be our functional deadline

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:56 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:47 am Here

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:32 am why would it matter whether a slot multitasked at night if your watcher power simply returns the role name of anyone that targets your target at night?

Beacause I wanted to.double check that I didn't only see role power usage and confirm i would see factional power usage.

no I mean if your role simply returns the role name of each player who targeted your target, regardless of whether the ability they used was personal, factional, or if they multitasked, wouldn't whether someone multitasked be irrelevant?

It is now I got that answer ans the other one about only getting the result once.I was checking that was the case.l as didn't want to throw based on misunderstanding my power. It was a double check after finding out that I would only get 1 result if they multitasked the same person.

I think Wam just got up, so the deadline is 5 am here, I'm willing to stay up til 5 if necessary though.

What about you Mak?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:59 am I think Wam just got up, so the deadline is 5 am here, I'm willing to stay up til 5 if necessary though.

What about you Mak?

Yep, I'm at work in a bit and driving foe a bit so replies might not be instant but I'm around until deadline.

@ mak my solvehttps://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82315#p82315

I'm repsoting as you haven't interacted with it at all so worried you missed it!

I have 2 hours tops really cant stay up beyond that because I work early tomorrow

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:03 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:59 am I think Wam just got up, so the deadline is 5 am here, I'm willing to stay up til 5 if necessary though.

What about you Mak?

Yep, I'm at work in a bit and driving foe a bit so replies might not be instant but I'm around until deadline.

@ mak my solvehttps://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82315#p82315

I'm repsoting as you haven't interacted with it at all so worried you missed it!

What's your thoughts on my responses and our subsequent conversation?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:04 am I have 2 hours tops really cant stay up beyond that because I work early tomorrow

I don't think I have anymore to answer. Will be voting before I leave for work just in case the commute is horrific.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:08 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:03 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:59 am I think Wam just got up, so the deadline is 5 am here, I'm willing to stay up til 5 if necessary though.

What about you Mak?

Yep, I'm at work in a bit and driving foe a bit so replies might not be instant but I'm around until deadline.

@ mak my solvehttps://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82315#p82315

I'm repsoting as you haven't interacted with it at all so worried you missed it!

What's your thoughts on my responses and our subsequent conversation?

I think they were townie but I'm not seeing enough to overcome my 6 hours re read and detailed notes.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:14 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:04 am I have 2 hours tops really cant stay up beyond that because I work early tomorrow

I don't think I have anymore to answer. Will be voting before I leave for work just in case the commute is horrific.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:08 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:03 am

Yep, I'm at work in a bit and driving foe a bit so replies might not be instant but I'm around until deadline.

@ mak my solvehttps://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82315#p82315

I'm repsoting as you haven't interacted with it at all so worried you missed it!

What's your thoughts on my responses and our subsequent conversation?

I think they were townie but I'm not seeing enough to overcome my 6 hours re read and detailed notes.

As in why don't you think they were correct counterpoints. I was responding to specific issues with your thought process.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:17 am

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:14 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:04 am I have 2 hours tops really cant stay up beyond that because I work early tomorrow

I don't think I have anymore to answer. Will be voting before I leave for work just in case the commute is horrific.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:08 am

What's your thoughts on my responses and our subsequent conversation?

I think they were townie but I'm not seeing enough to overcome my 6 hours re read and detailed notes.

As in why don't you think they were correct counterpoints. I was responding to specific issues with your thought process.

Because on first pass they werent all factual disagreements they were opinion. I have done more detail.here.

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82316#p82316 I went into this in the big post but I can see a 9/2/1 world where both 2 and 1 are "hawk king supporters"

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=82321#p82321 Don't have individual replies but this is more opinions I disagree on the play choices.

I need to leave for work

vote adum

Adum if I'm wrong I'm sorry.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:04 am

*Ping* Wam voted me

alright well there it is adum go ahead and cross vote now you have your proof im clear

If you're gonna quickyeet me just get it over with.

I respect that vote wam even if you're scum I was gonna be so annoyed if you started pushing me lolllllll

Im not scum I could have already won if I was

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:28 am alright well there it is adum go ahead and cross vote now you have your proof im clear

Ya, that's why I was trying to summon you.

vote: Wam

It's nice to be able to be confident there was one thing in this game I wasnt wrong about lol

Im a little distracted rn but should be done in next 30 min and then will have a final hour before crashing to make the call

it seems like wam has kind of rested his case so adum now that you ostensibly have more info def give me what you think are the most salient points in your favor and against wam

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:34 am Im a little distracted rn but should be done in next 30 min and then will have a final hour before crashing to make the call

it seems like wam has kind of rested his case so adum now that you ostensibly have more info def give me what you think are the most salient points in your favor and against wam

Yep, now that I know it's not you, that's the plan.

So for starters:

1. I think Wam not wanting to engage with issues I brought up with his case in any substantiative way just don't make sense from a town POV, dismissing them as merely "opinion" when the entire point is to understand whether actions make sense from a town POV.

2. Last game day Wam only seemed to get comfortable with following my plan after he confirmed I wasn't going after him.

3. The engagement with the theory that I'm the most likely godfather is, well the thing is that I explicitly asked him about that theory as part of trying to sort him and ultimately making a case on him. It seems odd that he just dismissed it and then swung to the other side instead of considering other godfather candidates.

4. On that note, why wasn't he suspicious of my claim that I was the NK target before the Santy yeet? Again, this is another issue I specifically addressed when making my case on him.

5. Seven also specifically argued this is Wam's scum meta. Thea and Fredd were also were arguing Wam was scum last game day.