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Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:35 am**

Ok, I think we've had our fun.

madge wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:43 am Yeah, I was absolutely gobsmacked that Fred didn't go to any effort at the end there. I was debating making another post but in the end I was like yknow I think I should keep quiet because I will probably only dig myself a hole and I guess it worked because if Fred had done a full claim at the end I'd say my goose was cooked. His result on me or whatever would totally make his shift on d3 make sense more than my kooky theory lol

Your theory works better cause Fred's results...

I got basically everyone else to agree to play a joke go along with me flipping Fred as flying pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of its ass after I used it as an example of a ridiculous role that I would answer hypotheticals for in response to you asking about role interactions that you weren't sure was in the game.

They were a VT all along.

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:44 am**

Yeah I only realized the hole I had put myself in after you failed to kill me FUCKING TWICE

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:34 am**

wait you played a joke on ME?????????????????????

i'm honoured

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:37 pm**

madge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:34 am wait you played a joke on ME?????????????????????

i'm honoured

Then you should be more honored that everyone who died agreed. Even Fred and Mak who I had to ask between when game ended and I posted flips.

I asked Mak cause he would've figured it out immediately lol

Speaking of which, I should probably tag moody:

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:03 am

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:40 pm**

Oh and I did post something in Gojoe I would appreciate responses to

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:42 pm**

I guess this means Cynical View really did know what he was talking about when he had you as lean scum, Adum.

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:07 pm**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:42 pm I guess this means Cynical View really did know what he was talking about when he had you as lean scum, Adum.

Given I pulled this on scum, wouldn't this make me lying town?

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:00 pm**

NGL I was quite perplexed because you weren't posting the night action list (or something that you promised to post?) and I was a bit upset at a role with randomness being included as I think randomness isn't fun (though y'know it's not bastard). I also thouight it was gutsy of you to use the flying pumpkin as your example role in response to my question, and thought the end flavour made more sense as an indy.

So yes, joke successfully perplexed me, though I didn't feel like I should call you out on it because my team *did* win despite it lol.

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:28 pm**

madge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:00 pm NGL I was quite perplexed because you weren't posting the night action list (or something that you promised to post?) and I was a bit upset at a role with randomness being included as I think randomness isn't fun (though y'know it's not bastard). I also thouight it was gutsy of you to use the flying pumpkin as your example role in response to my question, and thought the end flavour made more sense as an indy.

So yes, joke successfully perplexed me, though I didn't feel like I should call you out on it because my team *did* win despite it lol.

Honestly, I was planning on revealing the NA list earlier and posting role PMs and wanted to reveal the joke before, but high holidays have been exhausting.

I'm kind of still surprised you didn't object but ya you did win and nobody seemed to be complaining so *shrugs*

Anyway I should at least take care of that because I've finally gotten some sleep.

Posted: **Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:51 pm**

@Madge: found one of the only other games I was in the final 3 for, except in this one our roles were reversed. https://web.archive.org/web/20170609091 ... &start=240

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:32 am**

Town role PMs:

Makhaira, Human Psychic

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You have been touched by the unpredictable nature of the dance, it has not turned you into a dancer but left you with a sensitivity to all who have similarly been touched who come near you, be it other humans who have been touched or dancers.

You are the Human Psychic, unless roleblocked (if applicable), when targeted by a power you will be informed the name of the role that targetted you but not their alignment. You will also be informed of the mechanical name of the power.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Wan, Human Neapolitan

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You have been touched by the unpredictable nature of the dance, it has not turned you into a dancer but left you with a sensitivity with the ability to learn who and who is not touched by the dance.

You are the Human Neopolitan, once per night you may send the following command:

Investigate: [insert living player username here]

Unless roleblocked (if applicable), you will learn if they are a vanilla townie or not. You will not learn their alignment or any role information.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

EGW, Human Tree Stumper

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You have been touched by the unpredictable nature of the dance, it has not turned you into a dancer but left you with the ability to create a short emotional ecstasy that will render them physically immobile and emotionally shielded, immune to the effects of any contact with the dance but unable to further act on their own.

You are the Human tree stumper, send me a list of 4 players night 1, unless roleblocked (if applicable), one of them will be turned into a tree stump. If any of them is targeted by a night kill, this ability is guaranteed to choose them. This ability is mandatory and will be chosen out of the entire playerlist if not sent without the guarentee if the list includes a NK target.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

heuristically_alone, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Gluelock, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

JC_DADDY25, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

moody7277, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Freddino18, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Seven, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Theallieza, Vanilla Human

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Hello, Human. Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are Human. The dancers have once again emerged as a threat to our great society and we are on our knees looking for the answer. They must be eliminated, lest they turn all into dancers.

You are untouched by the dance and only have your voice and vote as weapons.

You are a Human Vanilla Townie.

You win when all threats to humanity are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Scum Role PMs:
somitomi SantyGrass, Dancer Cycle JOAT

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Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are a Dancer. In a world where all emotion is suppressed at the alter of cold hard logic, you found joy, you found dancing and you and others now wish to share that joy. Unfortunately, society sees you and others who have given into your emotions as a threat, they wish to destroy you. You must go undercover until you have shared this gift with enough people to overwhelm the repressive system. Unfortunately, it is most likely that those who you share it with will be caught, so there is little chance of others joining your lonely fight until victory. Your fellow dancers are all you have.

You are the Dancer Cycle Jack of All Trades, along with Swiss (goon), and Bessie (goon). You have access to a shared discord server here: https://discord.gg/BK4hkhrk

You have access to a shared factional kill that you or any of your fellows may invoke via the following command:

"[insert living member of the scumteam to perform action here] Kill: [insert player here]"

In addition the unpredictable nature of the dance has left you with a unique power. You are compelled to dance a different dance every night and each dance has it's own unique effects you can use for your goals.

1. Track: [player] to learn who they visited if anyone, assuming you aren't role blocked.
2. Commute, to be unaffected by any night actions that night
3. Roleblock: [player], to remove the effects of a living player's role for that night causing night actions to fail and interfering with some passive powers.

On night 1 you have access to track, on night 2, you have access to commute, on night three you have access to roleblock, on night 4 it returns to your night 1 power and so on.

You win when all threats to Dancer are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Swiss Madge, Dancer Goon

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Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are a Dancer. In a world where all emotion is suppressed at the alter of cold hard logic, you found joy, you found dancing and you and others now wish to share that joy. Unfortunately, society sees you and others who have given into your emotions as a threat, they wish to destroy you. You must go undercover until you have shared this gift with enough people to overwhelm the repressive system. Unfortunately, it is most likely that those who you share it with will be caught, so there is little chance of others joining your lonely fight until victory. Your fellow dancers are all you have.

You are the Dancer Goon, along with Bessie (goon), and somitomi (cycle Jack of all trades). You have access to a shared discord server here: https://discord.gg/BK4hkhrk

You have access to a shared factional kill that you or any of your fellows may invoke via the following command:

"[insert living member of the scumteam to perform action here] Kill: [insert player here]"

You win when all threats to Dancer are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Bessie, Dancer Goon

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Welcome to Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia. You are a Dancer. In a world where all emotion is suppressed at the alter of cold hard logic, you found joy, you found dancing and you and others now wish to share that joy. Unfortunately, society sees you and others who have given into your emotions as a threat, they wish to destroy you. You must go undercover until you have shared this gift with enough people to overwhelm the repressive system. Unfortunately, it is most likely that those who you share it with will be caught, so there is little chance of others joining your lonely fight until victory. Your fellow dancers are all you have.

You are the Dancer Goon, along with Swiss (goon), and somitomi (cycle Jack of all trades). You have access to a shared discord server here: https://discord.gg/BK4hkhrk

You have access to a shared factional kill that you or any of your fellows may invoke via the following command:

"[insert living member of the scumteam to perform action here] Kill: [insert player here]"

You win when all threats to Dancer are eliminated or nothing can prevent the same. Are we Human or are we Dancer Mafia

Night Actions:
N1
Wam investigates Seven
EGW Targets Mak, Seven, Fred, Moody
Somitomi tracks JC_DADDY25
Madge Kills Mak

N2
Wam investigates Theallieza
Santygrass Commutes
Santygrass Kills EGW

N3
Wam Investigates SantyGrass
SantyGrass roleblocks Wam
SantyGrass kills Seven

N4
Wam investigates JC
Madge Kills Wam

N5
Madge kills Theallieza

Role and overall game analysis:

Wam got very lucky in not hitting any of the Town PRs or Mafia meaning his investigation was relatively powerful. Cycle JOAT was a good scum role to go against a pretty weak town. EGW's role was a mathmatical detriment to town due to on average losing .66 town eliminations, which is why it was allowed so many targets. I didn't explain how it would choose the final target in the role PM beyond the doctor effect because I didn't want it being used as a pseudocop but if I would always choose a town out of the choices which is why 4 was the number. In the future if I use a similar role I think I'll develop it differently. However, one of his targets was the NK so town gained from it. Mak's role is relatively weak in a setup with so few PRs, but if targeted by certain roles he'd get crucial information. If he were tracked or killed by somi/santy he'd find out he was targetted by a cycle JOAT (obviously he'd only get to use the info if somi/santy killed him n1 and EGW targeted him), being any of the EGW targets would result in him learning a tree stumper exists, and he would've learned there was a neapolitan around if wan targetted him.

The cycle roles were designed with one foiling Mak's power, two foiling Wam's power but from different sides, and one informing of either wam or EGW's targetting. Roleblocking EGW couldn't come into play because scum only gained roleblocking access the third night.

Overall I'd say it was pretty fairly balanced with both sides having relatively weak powers but utilized them well. A pretty standard game in terms of design philosophy, but using unusual roles that gave it the pizzazz such a setup otherwise wouldn't have.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:55 am**

So in the end, this is less The Killers inspired, and more Zamyatin.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:25 am**

moody7277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:55 am So in the end, this is less The Killers inspired, and more Zamyatin.

The song is actually about this, about social control mechanisms and pressure. About cutting the cord and being free to do what you want. I just expanded the concept to more direct control to make it work as a Mafia game. So, ¿por que no dos?

Btw, how did none of you realize that this entire game was functioning under musical theatre rules?

Dancing being free emotional expression is what ties it directly to the themes of the song.

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