post 1: RV on EGW for "posting too many words"
post 2: unvotes EGW
post 3: asks me about RVS
post 4: doesn't like EGW RVing him
post 5: wants people to RP more
There's a fine line between going along with the flavor and obfuscating
post 6: seems not to think there's scum, bastard game
post 7: follow on to post 5
post 8: Not on for deadline
post 9: talking to Mak about EGW's RV, activity level, votes EGW
post 10: doesn't like EGW trying to influence him
post 11: still thinking no night elim with ambiguous rules
post 12: fluff
post 13: trying to explain what he says EGW is doing
post 14: points out cult-style games
post 15: fluff
Here's where I did my first read which put him at +1, and in hindsight that may have been generous, but I did say the trend was downward due to the fluff which started popping up later on
post 16: wants to know more about the wam reads post
post 17: reaction to Seven saying EGW wouldn't be elimed
post 18: follow on to post 17
post 19: again not available at EOD
post 20: worried about majority elim even with extension
post 21: wants to ping Glue and vote for him if needed
post 22: votes extension to get Glue to post
post 23: says he can put up reads early D2, describes Rube Goldberg method for generating them
Seriously?!
post 24: no way to shorten process
post 25: fluff
post 26: fluff
post 27: sus of EGW
post 28: fluff
post 29: didn't remember JC is playing, wanted Glue pinged due to votes
Cynical view really doesn't like that
post 30: sympathy for wam's reads list being shaky, promise of reads
post 31: wants Seven to explain posts about EGW
post 32: Seven's read of me weird, doesn't like huery's post
post 33: double post
post 34: reads Madge as town
post 35: fluff
post 36: bit of a reads list with somi, Mak town, Seven and Bessie scum, and some people as insufficient data, votes Seven
post 37: fluff
post 38: wants Bessie elimed
post 39: fluff
post 40: reads me as scummy, but wants more voting
post 41: fluff
post 42: still wants more from Glue
post 43: response to JC about Fred's setup spec
post 44: fluff
post 45: fluff
As he said, he was not on EOD, so missed the flurry.
D2
post 46: agrees with Seven about not waiting for EOD to elim, votes heury
post 47: no progress on reads
post 48: modified method for scum-only list
Here's where I left off D2, with him at a -1
post 49: heury vote based on scummy read
post 50: reaction to Bessie's vote on him
post 51: added tone to post 50
post 52: progress report
post 53: asks about town slip
post 54: has Bessie as top town
post 55: asks JC about change in his read on Seven and him
post 56: dispute with Thea about their solve based on EoD, promise of partial reads
post 57: new reads method working better
post 58: final promise of reads
post 59: reads with Bessie town, somi least scummy, Seven, EGW, heury scummiest, switches vote to EGW.
Hindsight looking very interesting here. He has the two confirmed scum as his top reads, very bad looking (just the kind of thing naive scum might do) This is as far as I can tell the only time he put up this kind of list
post 60: Asks Thea for case on somi
post 61: reaction to Thea's case saying he didn't get pinged as much and Thea should be reading him as scummier due to similar behavior
post 62: pings he got from EGW
post 63: fluff
post 64: unvotes
Context suggests this is when EGW claimed to be the stumper, which blows another hole in his reads
post 65: heury as most popular elim
post 66: negative reaction to JC responding to post 55
post 67: explaining his read to Bessie
post 68: avatar fluff
post 69: avatar fluff
post 70: reaction to answer from mod about alignment changes
post 71: notes previous time Bessie had been interested in him
post 72: description of his process
Interestingly, step 1 sounds familiar, like what I'm doing right now except slot by slot instead of all at once. I just do the collating in my head.
post 73: example of his first step doc
okay then.
post 74: asks Madge about her read of him
post 75: fluff
post 76: does not want to post his current document due to security
post 77: votes heury
post 78: complaint
post 79: heury his scummiest read, might not be on EoD
post 80: likes heury unless no-elim
EoD for D2 starts here
post 81: grumpy with Bessie for asking more about his reads
post 82: corrects it to Madge
post 83: citation for correction in post 82
post 84: sarcastic response to me wanting to elim Fred
Shows where I was on him end of D2
post 85: grumpy with Thea
post 86: conditional vote swap
post 87: retraction of post 86
post 88: reaction to heury's news
post 89: request for votals
post 90: fluff
post 91: wants to elim Seven
couple of the previous posts seemed to be preoccupied with being NKed. Based on what he looked like at the time, that was absolutely not happening
post 92: vote comment
post 93: fluff
post 94: nervous fluff
post 95: nervous fluff
provisional rating end of D2: -1.5
D3
post 96: Asks Seven for her investigations
post 97: welcomes Santy
post 98: Asks Seven for full roleclaim since she only had investigation for N2
Cynical View says this is rolefishing instead of just town looking for sound reasoning for power use
post 99: votes Bessie, with promise to elim JC
post 100: offers to unvote to prevent speedelim
Turned out to not be something we needed to worry about, but the lack of situational awareness seems more of a naive thing than a scummy thing
post 101: asks Seven about JC not being in her solve
post 102: inartful question to Santy
post 103: slight apology
And another tick in the naive player column
post 104: points to crappy reads
post 105: points to crappy voting
post 106: says he's done reads
post 107: repeats post 106
post 108: wants to sub out
Here's the core of the issue I have with scum!Fred. I can in NO WAY see Bessie pressing a scummate hard enough that he thinks about ejecting from the game. Cynical View may mumble about pre-arranged in night chat, but I'm not buying it
post 109: fluff
post 110: method of generating reads main reason for ejecting
post 111: reverses request to sub out
post 112: fluff
post 113: fluff
post 114: role question
post 115: fluff
Took him a bit to get back into game mode, but from here he's in
post 116: response to Bessie saying she's not getting his reads, and declares vendetta
post 117: asks for Bessie's role
post 118: still believed Seven had genuine result
post 119: grumpy with Santy for asking about his reads
post 120: asks for Santy's role
We were in the middle of a mass claim, so not entirely unwarranted here
post 121: style declaration
post 122: people's town read based on slips
post 123: response to Madge, no claim forthcoming
post 124: response to Seven asking for claim, says Bessie should go first (:lol:)
post 125: response to me about Bessie elim
post 126: response to Santy about their question re my post analysis
post 127: wants to troll Madge
Well, who doesn't
post 128: clarification about Thea explaining setup spec re scum chat
post 129: state of game in his opinion, will not be on EoD
post 130: votes extension
post 131: extension vote in post 130 more serious than post 127 would make it seem
post 132: reads of wam's intentions
post 133: chagrin when Thea checks his assertion
post 134: interpreting wam v Bessie, says wam is town
post 135: fluff
post 136: fluff
post 137: outrage at Seven a little bit after her switch to voting Santy
post 138: response to JC about EGW's roleclaim
post 139: fluff response to Mak
post 140: confused by what Mak meant about him
post 141: fluff
post 142: questions about other players
post 143: wants to be on EoD, extension or no
post 144: asks Seven about correction to her post
post 145: asks Madge about her proxy
post 146: fluff
post 147: repeats question from post 145
post 148: acceptable reply from her
EoD D3 rush
post 149: announcement about secret post, request not to hammer
post 150: can't change time of rollout
post 151: timing of post to limit discussion
post 152: explanation for no change in time of rollout
post 153: reality check from Madge
post 154: fluff
post 155: explanation of rollout
post 156: rollout related to previous wagons
post 157: rollout comes early
post 158: blames little brother for faulty rollout
And here we have the alleged "Vengeful Townie" claim. At the time, I figured it explained a lot of his furtiveness and credited him with a +2 rating or so based on it. Now that he's said it's BS, all the negatives it cleared up come crashing back down on him.
post 159: fluff
post 160: explanation of role mechanics
post 161: poke at Seven over his rolespec
post 162: fluff
post 163: fakeout over deadline timing
post 164: response to Santy about whether to use power
post 165: agreement with my assessment of his lifespan
post 166: rollout setup when there was still a Fred-wagon
post 167: alleged vig only happens upon elim
post 168: asking about Cynical View's take
Cynical View has confounded many people at times, myself included
post 169: explanation to Santy about their speculated role
post 170: overestimated in a previous game
post 171: fluff
post 172: references post 99 about his elim order
post 173: wonders about me being roundabout to get Bessie
post 174: wants to use the power to draw a NK
Which never happened, so plan in the circular file for him.
post 175: correction to post
post 176: okay voting Bessie, doesn't want to lose him as town to get her
post 177: grumpy with Seven's interpretation of the plan
post 178: fluff
post 179: unvotes extension (pointless bit here half an hour from EoD)
post 180: pleased with Madge's post
post 181: sarcasm at Seven
post 182: poke at Seven for lying as town
post 183: fluff
post 184: correction to votals about extension
post 185: Reads Seven as town
Directly contradicting his sole reads post 59, with no way to tell how he modified his read
post 186: response to me asking about the read, says he has to say due to wam
post 187: notes Madge's paranoia post
post 188: upset with Seven metronoming
post 189: asking about Thea's response to Madge's post
post 190: scum voting on my wagon
post 191: confused by JC
post 192: poke at Madge
post 193: reaction to Seven's retraction
post 194: twilight cooldown
post 195: indignant at Seven
post 196: response to Seven
D4
post 197: Confusion about NK
post 198: Promise of content and/or solve
post 199: fluff
post 200: trying to boost JC
post 201: solve involves Santy's response to Seven
post 202: computer ate his post, Seven not interested in JC
post 203: cites Thea saying JC is town
post 204: asks JC about previous post by Seven
post 205: looking for a reason for Seven being NKed
Always tricky to speculate on scum's reasoning for NKing people, unless it's blatant like the cop dying. This flurry also seems where Madge got the impression of Fred going "Super Saiyan", or at least the start of it.
post 206: votes Madge
post 207: switches to Santy
post 208: unvotes after having it pointed out Santy was at E-1
Situational awareness problem again
post 209: reiterates unvote
post 210: avoiding hammer for content
post 211: asks me about timing of my vote
post 212: continuing from last post
post 213: continuing from post 211
post 214: editorial choice
post 215: fluff
post 216: fluff
post 217: votes Santy to E-1
post 218: asks about acronym
post 219: reinterprets wam's comment
post 220: approves my hammer of Santy
Fixation on Madge stems from this day, vote came after several analysis posts mostly focusing on JC, which would make sense if he was clearing a POE that had either JC or Madge as scum. Agreeing to switch to Santy and his enthusiasm seems a bit theatrical. Rating around -1.5
D5
post 221: disapproves Thea's vote of JC
post 222: scenarios for Madge's NK
post 223: feels he will be NKed for suspecting Madge
post 224: wants JC to make a 2-2 tie between him and Madge
post 225: response to JC about fast D5
post 226: interprets JC's statement as Thea being scum
post 227: firm on voting Madge, wants JC to follow
post 228: "waiting on moody" (at quarter to 1 am my time)
post 229: unhappy with JC elim
post 230: wants JC to post based on playing to win
post 231: Seven also read Madge as scummy, JC acting town based on meta
Fred wanting JC to go through instead of Madge is interesting in a scum!Fred/town!Madge game because he would think she would look townier to whoever the third person is than JC
post 232: 1 scum left
post 233: expected me to hammer Madge
post 234: firm on Madge
post 235: fluff
post 236: Santy scummy enough to justify switching vote
post 237: response about D6 behavior, Madge slip not AI
post 238: response to Thea about the slip, says she is not power role, could be goon
post 239: thinks Madge will NK him
post 240: response to Madge about his sudden competency
post 241: continuation of post 240
post 242: arguing for more content
post 243: fluff
post 244: still thinks content is good
post 245: wants hammer, still thinks he'll be NKed
Interesting that after twice being not picked for NK, he still has the facade that he will be. Seems like more theatre at this point.
D6
post 246: reaction to Thea being NKed
post 247: asks Madge about NK scenarios
post 248: fluff
post 249: pokes Madge about question in post 247
post 250: wants to know if Madge and I would be cross-voting
post 251: time zone issues
post 252: wants wakeup call
post 253: fluff
post 254: admits to lying about Vengeful Town as a way to draw NK, votes Madge
post 255: plan to win even voting for Fred out the window