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Wam wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:14 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:46 am

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:44 am https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=81728#p81728

Link so we don't have long quote posts.

So maybe a terminology thing but SK is not an indy. Indys can win with any faction, SK needs to be last person standing to win.

That's not what Indy means. Indy refers to a third party, any third party.

Hey maybe how I have always done it in my head and I'm against the consensus, but as i see it all.indys are third parties but not all third parties are indys.

Indys are the ones who can win independently with each faction. There are anti town 3rd parties that aren't indys in my head, sk, cult etc. But I think this is a distraction

If you dknt think they are survivirs What do you think thea and Fred are?

Also your whole premise about the mods calling the end of a faction is wrong as I asked and they wouldn't call a faction being elimmed.

Alright fair, I'll use third parties just for the sake of clarity then.

As far as faction not being dead, it has been Madge/Sabrar's practice but regardless, the flavor from last game day is extremely specific that the kill was from the Hawk King aligned folks, aka Mafia:

madge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:41 am The Hawk King’s servants had sent a message: they’re still here. They’re still angry. And they’re coming for you.

As for what type of third party, I think Mak's theory earlier was correct and they have special parity rules. Quite possibly already would've won alone without a nightkill remaining. Potentially they also have other one shot abilities that aren't loud.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:23 am That's an amusing misinterpretion.

No, this is me trying to persuade mafia not to support you.

As mafia I'd have no reason to try to nix the Santy yeet, I've have no reason to suggest somi as an alternative yeet D2, no reason to hammer my partner D3 when Seven was suggesting Wam as an alternative, who I'd been all day.

Then there's the no kill n1, especially since if my double vote wasn't tied to my BP being used, why would I use it for day 2 and 3 instead of endgame?

But I recognize that this is you signaling to mafia that you want an alliance with me as the elim and hope that they accept you're mafia compatible, which if for no other reason, makes no sense given the flavor, the Chrono gardeners being the obvious Indy choice and explicitly responding to the hawk king.

But as a result, my arguments really don't matter, if mafia and you both decide to toss the dice you can win the night game, I can't stop you, but I think you're playing like fools to trust each other.

So you suspect Mak?

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:45 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:20 pm Oh yes please

Fred you didn't answer my question. Why did.you hammer santy?

Missed that, sorry. Thea told me to, and I agreed after a lengthy argument

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:45 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:20 pm Oh yes please

Fred you didn't answer my question. Why did.you hammer santy?

Missed that, sorry. Thea told me to, and I agreed after a lengthy argument

But why then why not let santy post their solve at least?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:23 am That's an amusing misinterpretion.

No, this is me trying to persuade mafia not to support you.

As mafia I'd have no reason to try to nix the Santy yeet, I've have no reason to suggest somi as an alternative yeet D2, no reason to hammer my partner D3 when Seven was suggesting Wam as an alternative, who I'd been all day.

Then there's the no kill n1, especially since if my double vote wasn't tied to my BP being used, why would I use it for day 2 and 3 instead of endgame?

But I recognize that this is you signaling to mafia that you want an alliance with me as the elim and hope that they accept you're mafia compatible, which if for no other reason, makes no sense given the flavor, the Chrono gardeners being the obvious Indy choice and explicitly responding to the hawk king.

But as a result, my arguments really don't matter, if mafia and you both decide to toss the dice you can win the night game, I can't stop you, but I think you're playing like fools to trust each other.

You never voted for somi. You were on Wam all of D2 and were actively pushing for his elimination over somi. You were never on Moody either until the hammer vote. The idea that you deserve credit for either of those eliminations is laughable... You were one of the main obstacles to them.

I think your BP doesn't exist at all, it's just made up. Everyone else has normal powers with simple mechanics, except your claim. Because we were 12 players, scum knew they could withhold a kill and not throw off the count. Pretending you absorbed the kill gave you cover to get deep in the game without needing to explain why you aren't dead. Scum has chosen super conservative choices for all other night kills. Why would they target the player everyone and their dog was going to target in the night? Your double vote probably existed the whole time, we just didn't see it until the numbers switched to odd parity... Probably it couldn't be used in endgame and Seven and I were pushing you to claim anyway so you decided to let it go to try and throw us off.

To be honest, if you are Town, I feel like you are actively throwing at this point, and have been for some time. You aren't even trying to solve and are just obsessed with your scumread on me despite it not making an iota of sense.

Looool

Look, I know this is about signaling to the last mafia that you wanna alpha me with them, but

It's not about credit, it's about explaining the thought process. If I was their partner I had no reason to put the spotlight on somi in the first place, nor unvote to prevent possible ties. If I was their partner I had no reason to not try to help Seven gather support for a move back to Wam besides genuine skepticism of your play around them, certainly no reason to wait and hammer my scummate.

The idea I'd holster N1 as mafia to pretend to be BP with an even number of players just makes no sense, it's effectively giving town an extra yeet because even if I had the double vote D1 as you can see it wasn't permanent, the BP is commonly third party so it isn't even a good claim and I was seen as obvious town going into the night phase.

Failing their NK N1 of course gives a good explanation for why mafia kills have been so conservative with their NK, but if I was mafia, n1 they wouldn't know there was a doc/bodyguard, nor that there were 3 JOATs with 1 shot docs. In which case the only really odd NK is that JC was killed instead of Fredd.

As for everyone having normal powers with simple mechanics, Halloween games are Madge's chance to showcase creative design. Most of the roles have substantial spice and my role claim is no less a convoluted variation of a role than Bessie's compulsive variable reliability publishing cop. And mine is extremely thematic so it has pizzazz, which is exactly what the game is about.

But again, this is signaling. If you convince the other townie to vote me better for you, but we both know you're throwing whatever you can at the wall to see what sticks in order to give plausible deniability while hoping mafia picks your plan over mine.

Because there really is no defending your play when looked at closely, the obtuseness, the extremely strange development of your thought process towards Wam, that you convinced your partner to cut the day off right Seven was starting to question your thought process when they had a hard town read on the slot they voted for.

None of that makes sense from a town POV.

Anyway, I wanna wait for Mak to post again for feedback cause I've already had a fair back and forth with Wam and then I'm voting no execution.

And yes, if I'm wrong about Thea/Fredd you all get to mock me mercilessly, cause I'll definitely deserve it.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:20 pm And yes, if I'm wrong about Thea/Fredd you all get to mock me mercilessly, cause I'll definitely deserve it.

I'm starting now lol

Darn, all the files are too large

picking up my prod, sorry all just drove back from from my thanksgiving trip, basically been driving all day too tired to do a deep dive rn

probably shouldve formally declared V/LA over the holiday my bad. looks like we have about 2 days till deadline so Ill get all me re-reading/isoing down by tomorrow night and then we can hash it out before deadline

I also want to hear more from Fred!

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:00 pm I also want to hear more from Fred!

About what?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:06 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:00 pm I also want to hear more from Fred!

About what?

Let's start with my badly phrased question here.

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=81803#p81803

I'm supporting an extension, specifically cause I haven't gotten any input from Mak while I have gotten some from Wam (I'm presuming that you didn't see any holes since you've been active.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:03 am picking up my prod, sorry all just drove back from from my thanksgiving trip, basically been driving all day too tired to do a deep dive rn

probably shouldve formally declared V/LA over the holiday my bad. looks like we have about 2 days till deadline so Ill get all me re-reading/isoing down by tomorrow night and then we can hash it out before deadline

Might I suggest supporting the extension? And at least looking at my plan and see if there are any holes if you don't get to a full reread.

Yeah sorry forgot about the extensions

Request Extension

Whatever madge will give us Ill take my schedule has just been absolutely fucked

still re-reading hoping to be done by the time I pass out tonight

thea and fred, do you think we are in 9v3? what are the best reasons not to flip one of your slots to confirm you arent indies and then win in 2v1 endgame if you are both town? who is the play in me/adum/wam endgame from yalls POV?

Because it was funny and I was under pressure from multiple people

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:54 am Yeah sorry forgot about the extensions

Request Extension

Whatever madge will give us Ill take my schedule has just been absolutely fucked

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:58 am Request Extension

PM mods plz both of you, they don't want people to feel pressured to request extensions they don't want so this won't be counted.