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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:02 pm There's a reason I singled out Fredd.

Mak only started looking super townie on the Bessie flip. Seven was such an obvious protect target in this setup that I doubt scum would consider it. I WAS a nightkill. Night 1. You're also an obvious protect target.

But Fredd, Fredd has been disengaged. There's absolutely no reason for scum to think they couldn't sneak a kill in.

What's your actual theory here? Not paranoia or speculation: Who do you think is scum and why? Who makes sense as a partner for somi/moody?

My theory is that you're scum based on fitting your scum meta and your defense of Wam not having a townie though progression. Which means Fredd is scum too.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:18 am

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So, I'm the unmarried mother aka Jane, from " '—All You Zombies—' ".

My ability is I get Nk'd, I go back in time from two nights in the future to warn my past self to stop it from happening. This happened night 1.

However, there are now two of me, which means I have a double vote. It's stated in my role PM that if I gain any powers I can use it twice. I mentioned something not having any future night actions unless I'm given some and not thinking that's a thing in this setup.

I can activate this ability early to gain the double vote and doubled night action, but at the expense of wasting my BP if I don't get targeted during a night that there's two of me.

I definitely invite everyone to read the short story to see if I'm telling the truth. It's a genuinely weird experimental science fiction short story, but within the context of the story I think two of me existing at the same time and future me being able to prevent my death makes sense because...

All you Zombies

Jane was only born because two of herself/himself existed at the same time due to time traveling from the future. Jane is intersex, AFAB, and after giving birth it's discovered and Jane is forcibly transitioned to a man. Also Jane's baby is kidnapped.

Jane later is recruited for the Temporal Bureau, goes back in time and ends up having sex with their younger self, causing the pregnancy.

It later turns out that the person who recruited Jane kidnapped the baby and takes the baby to an orphanage in the past, said baby IS Jane. The person who recruited Jane to the Temporal Bureau is also a significantly older Jane. Jane is their own Mother, Father, and the person who made it possible for them to time travel in the first place.

I'll also add that, while I'm not by any means a professional analyst, but the prose used in the EoD flavor post does remind me a lot of the prose from " '—All You Zombies—' "

And to explain my behavior, I was peacocking to attract the NK. I remain concerned that I'm a liability in yeet or lose, but also I just think that as an effective VT from toDay on, i'm less valuable than *guestures vaguely at the dead cop*

So I decided to try to get NK'd a second time, I was hoping the combination of me saying that I have a really creative role which I'll fully explain toMorrow creating both fear that I'm too dangerous to be left alive and fear of what I might potentially know, my double vote which they didn't know would expire potentially being an endgaming barrier, invoking Seven's yeeter theory in a way that suggested I might be a yeeter with a target of whoever is doing the kills/on the killing team, and just the existence of Mak's theory the self-yeet was a self-preservation play might be enough to get me killed.

Generally I was trying to maintain deniability about whether I actually knew I was killed or just figured it out through NA analysis and arrogance for the exact reason Thea said, if I knew for sure it meant I was one shot.

Unfortunately, the role is really creative but... Unless I was gifted a power, but I felt that unless I wasn't a NK target til yeet or lose (particularly 3 person) the rest of the role was pretty useless, so I just played it as a one shot BP. I will add that I didn't realize my double vote was going to be added to the yeet requirement, so I was also initially confused at the vote total change. After Wam figured it was a double voter added to the total votes I sent Madge and Sabrar a message saying they were mean with a crying emoji. I don't think I've ever seen double votes being used that way but I think it makes the role more of a one shot bulletproof- than a one shot bulletproof+, but it does have pizzaz!

I don't have further role information but I did think that Wam was probably my most likely n1 killer. Sure there's fear purely from skill and perceived townieness combined with reputation, but I feel like Wam was the only one who would feel specifically threatened by me. I think I PROBABLY was wrong there now though

Oh and @Seven, look! I shrooped again! About my scumbuddy, Thea! :p

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:14 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:02 pm There's a reason I singled out Fredd.

Mak only started looking super townie on the Bessie flip. Seven was such an obvious protect target in this setup that I doubt scum would consider it. I WAS a nightkill. Night 1. You're also an obvious protect target.

But Fredd, Fredd has been disengaged. There's absolutely no reason for scum to think they couldn't sneak a kill in.

But why shoot at a player with weak powers who is disengaged? Over a cop? Or a doc? Or a JoaT that can do both? I'm sure they could have taken a shot at one of us if they had wanted to, but why?

What's your actual theory here? Not paranoia or speculation: Who do you think is scum and why? Who makes sense as a partner for somi/moody?

My theory is that you're scum based on fitting your scum meta and your defense of Wam not having a townie though progression. Which means Fredd is scum too.

Do you think I am scum with moody/somi? Or with Wam somehow? I'm asking for what you think is a coherent theory that explains the gamestate. You are starting from a conclusion and trying to work backwards to justify it, rather than actually looking at the evidence objectively and arriving at a conclusion that makes sense.

EBWOP: Fixed quotations

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:33 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:18 am

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

So, I'm the unmarried mother aka Jane, from " '—All You Zombies—' ".

My ability is I get Nk'd, I go back in time from two nights in the future to warn my past self to stop it from happening. This happened night 1.

However, there are now two of me, which means I have a double vote. It's stated in my role PM that if I gain any powers I can use it twice. I mentioned something not having any future night actions unless I'm given some and not thinking that's a thing in this setup.

I can activate this ability early to gain the double vote and doubled night action, but at the expense of wasting my BP if I don't get targeted during a night that there's two of me.

I definitely invite everyone to read the short story to see if I'm telling the truth. It's a genuinely weird experimental science fiction short story, but within the context of the story I think two of me existing at the same time and future me being able to prevent my death makes sense because...

All you Zombies

Jane was only born because two of herself/himself existed at the same time due to time traveling from the future. Jane is intersex, AFAB, and after giving birth it's discovered and Jane is forcibly transitioned to a man. Also Jane's baby is kidnapped.

Jane later is recruited for the Temporal Bureau, goes back in time and ends up having sex with their younger self, causing the pregnancy.

It later turns out that the person who recruited Jane kidnapped the baby and takes the baby to an orphanage in the past, said baby IS Jane. The person who recruited Jane to the Temporal Bureau is also a significantly older Jane. Jane is their own Mother, Father, and the person who made it possible for them to time travel in the first place.

I'll also add that, while I'm not by any means a professional analyst, but the prose used in the EoD flavor post does remind me a lot of the prose from " '—All You Zombies—' "

And to explain my behavior, I was peacocking to attract the NK. I remain concerned that I'm a liability in yeet or lose, but also I just think that as an effective VT from toDay on, i'm less valuable than *guestures vaguely at the dead cop*

So I decided to try to get NK'd a second time, I was hoping the combination of me saying that I have a really creative role which I'll fully explain toMorrow creating both fear that I'm too dangerous to be left alive and fear of what I might potentially know, my double vote which they didn't know would expire potentially being an endgaming barrier, invoking Seven's yeeter theory in a way that suggested I might be a yeeter with a target of whoever is doing the kills/on the killing team, and just the existence of Mak's theory the self-yeet was a self-preservation play might be enough to get me killed.

Generally I was trying to maintain deniability about whether I actually knew I was killed or just figured it out through NA analysis and arrogance for the exact reason Thea said, if I knew for sure it meant I was one shot.

Unfortunately, the role is really creative but... Unless I was gifted a power, but I felt that unless I wasn't a NK target til yeet or lose (particularly 3 person) the rest of the role was pretty useless, so I just played it as a one shot BP. I will add that I didn't realize my double vote was going to be added to the yeet requirement, so I was also initially confused at the vote total change. After Wam figured it was a double voter added to the total votes I sent Madge and Sabrar a message saying they were mean with a crying emoji. I don't think I've ever seen double votes being used that way but I think it makes the role more of a one shot bulletproof- than a one shot bulletproof+, but it does have pizzaz!

I don't have further role information but I did think that Wam was probably my most likely n1 killer. Sure there's fear purely from skill and perceived townieness combined with reputation, but I feel like Wam was the only one who would feel specifically threatened by me. I think I PROBABLY was wrong there now though

Oh and @Seven, look! I shrooped again! About my scumbuddy, Thea! :p

As an aside, I find it really strange that your role mentions something about a gift-giving power, and that there are specific mechanics set up in your role to deal with what happens if you are given a gift, when we have not seen any evidence of such a role existing in the game.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:33 pm
As an aside, I find it really strange that your role mentions something about a gift-giving power, and that there are specific mechanics set up in your role to deal with what happens if you are given a gift, when we have not seen any evidence of such a role existing in the game.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:00 pm We have 3 Mis Elims?

We lim Wam. Santy docs me. I doc Adum.
Santy or Mak is killed. We eliminate the survivor.

Game Over

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:46 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:33 pm
As an aside, I find it really strange that your role mentions something about a gift-giving power, and that there are specific mechanics set up in your role to deal with what happens if you are given a gift, when we have not seen any evidence of such a role existing in the game.

my role could be loosely interpreted to be "giving gifts" to other slots. Seven even phrased it that way earlier in the game. I have never targeted Adum this game though

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:23 pm Adum no dont do that now the mods are gonna keep the thread as [D3] for the rest of the game no matter what phase it is just to troll you for reading too far into it like the period thing on the votecounts lmao

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:02 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:19 pm @mods is there any reason why the thread title is still d3?

Mods aren't perfect and sometimes forget things. It is Day 4. I'll ask Madge to change the title.

madge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:00 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:23 pm Adum no dont do that now the mods are gonna keep the thread as [D3] for the rest of the game no matter what phase it is just to troll you for reading too far into it like the period thing on the votecounts lmao

I wasn't gonna do it but great idea!

Sabrar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:02 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:19 pm @mods is there any reason why the thread title is still d3?

Mods aren't perfect and sometimes forget things. It is Day 4. I'll ask Madge to change the title.

Incorrect, Madge is perfect!

...Votals...

...Santy... 2 - Thea. Mak.
...Fredd... 1 - Adum.
...Wam... 1 - Seven.......

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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:50 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:00 pm We have 3 Mis Elims?

We lim Wam. Santy docs me. I doc Adum.
Santy or Mak is killed. We eliminate the survivor.

Game Over

Keep in mind that's 3 mis-elims til loss.

Thing is, that's just two if it's a 4 person mafia or we have 2 town incompatible indies *cough Thea and Fredd*

I also, just don't see any scenario here where Mak is scum.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:38 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:50 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:00 pm We have 3 Mis Elims?

We lim Wam. Santy docs me. I doc Adum.
Santy or Mak is killed. We eliminate the survivor.

Game Over

Keep in mind that's 3 mis-elims til loss.

Thing is, that's just two if it's a 4 person mafia or we have 2 town incompatible indies *cough Thea and Fredd*

I also, just don't see any scenario here where Mak is scum.

I think the game ends with Wam/Santy elims, but I’ll vote for TheaFred in elo if we get that far.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:50 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:38 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:50 pm

Keep in mind that's 3 mis-elims til loss.

Thing is, that's just two if it's a 4 person mafia or we have 2 town incompatible indies *cough Thea and Fredd*

I also, just don't see any scenario here where Mak is scum.

I think the game ends with Wam/Santy elims, but I’ll vote for TheaFred in elo if we get that far.

There's two of them so if we address the slot it's gotta be toDay or toMorrow.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:11 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:50 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:38 pm I think the game ends with Wam/Santy elims, but I’ll vote for TheaFred in elo if we get that far.

There's two of them so if we address the slot it's gotta be toDay or toMorrow.

If they are scum, they are lovers. Wam has a town result, so they are probably just town. I doubt we are dealing with two scum teams given that the flips are just mafia.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:48 am Ok if we don’t hit correctly today, I’ll consider them tomorrow. They can only be scum on the off chance that Thea is a Godfather or they are on a separate team from Moody/Somi, consisting of the two of them + Wam. I don’t think the latter is the case because it would mean we could lose today after hitting wrong. And Thea being Godfather just seems like the same thing you said Thea and I were doing with regard to you, trying to make it fit.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:19 am Speaking of which, could you name claim Seven?

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:32 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:19 am Speaking of which, could you name claim Seven?

The Doctor

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:23 pmJust let me solve

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:03 am Im not sure, I’ve never watched it. Role just says The Doctor

Flavor suggests he has a wife