Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[Santygrass]

Well, ngl I wasnt expecting to live Lol . Y'all hammered before I x
could soft in any way that I wasnt going to bodyguard EGW but didnt matter regardless.

Heury claim is legit I'd say. Apart from the other info, imo the EGW read just is from someone that was talking with another player that fed him their read

If its of any relevance, last night I bodyguarded Sabrar

[heuristically_alone]

I don't see any sense of prolonging today. Once everyone claims we should hammer EGW. If game doesn't end, cops can investigate Santy then we evaluate tomorrow ahippo and Santy.

[Sabrar]

Let's not rush, I agree that those are the 3 players we should focus on, but let's hear out others as well.

[Sabrar]

Actually, giving the same scum team both a flavor cop and a person who can be immune to flavor cops doesn't make a lot of sense.

[JC_DADDY25]

I'm good with voting Santy today

[boomfrog]

Hello hello.

I don't see any sense of prolonging today. Once everyone claims we should hammer EGW. If game doesn't end, cops can investigate Santy then we evaluate tomorrow ahippo and Santy.

What cops? If we Elim 1 we only have one cop left.

Why did you not devour Santy?

Why did you not claim 2shot yesterday when I explicitly asked you if you had fully claimed?

[JC_DADDY25]

Actually, heury may be the way to go here.

[boomfrog]

Actually, heury may be the way to go here.

Do you not trust bessie's confirmation that heury is confirmed town? She wouldn't be helping him if he lied about that in thread. And she definitely is helping him.

[JC_DADDY25]

He's able to bring town and scum into his group, all that verified is that he has that neighborhood with him. She knows what we know, which is what he told us his role was.

[boomfrog]

He's able to bring town and scum into his group, all that verified is that he has that neighborhood with him. She knows what we know, which is what he told us his role was.

He claimed she was told by the mod that heury is town. If he lied in thread she wouldn't be helping anymore.

[moody7277]

@Sabrar: does you saying heury is mod-confirmed mean you fully agree that he is accurately passing along a message from bessie?

[heuristically_alone]

Hello hello.

I don't see any sense of prolonging today. Once everyone claims we should hammer EGW. If game doesn't end, cops can investigate Santy then we evaluate tomorrow ahippo and Santy.

What cops? If we Elim 1 we only have one cop left.

Why did you not devour Santy?

Why did you not claim 2shot yesterday when I explicitly asked you if you had fully claimed?

You're right we don't need cops.

I would've devoured Santy if I could.

I said I had nothing additional claim but never said I'd fully claimed. I hoped scum would waste my actions they had by targeting me.

In thread yesterday Bessie was told not to help me if I wasn't confirmed town to her. So wasting an elim on me is a ridiculous option as I'm mod confirmed town to Bessie and Bessie has confirmed I town to everyone.

[boomfrog]

Hello hello.

I don't see any sense of prolonging today. Once everyone claims we should hammer EGW. If game doesn't end, cops can investigate Santy then we evaluate tomorrow ahippo and Santy.

What cops? If we Elim 1 we only have one cop left.

You're right we don't need cops.

I mean it seems like you aren't thinking things through. Why did you expect to have cops after yeeting EGW?

[Sabrar]

@Sabrar: does you saying heury is mod-confirmed mean you fully agree that he is accurately passing along a message from bessie?

Correct.

[Sabrar]

madge might have invented the whole mark thing just to cause confusion. Do not trust any info coming from her. I'll do a mech analysis later but I'm still hoping to hear from phillip first.

[phillip1882]

Please claim what action you did last night and if you have any other feedback.

so i tried to target sabrar, but i was suppressed, so my action failed.

[phillip1882]

doesn't the mafia get a kill? i didn't se any message about who was eliminated.

[Sabrar]

so i tried to target sabrar, but i was suppressed, so my action failed.

Can you clarify what suppressed means? Did you receive a mark, or was just told that your action failed?

[Sabrar]

There was no kill during the night, there are multiple possibilities why.

[phillip1882]

Can you clarify what suppressed means? Did you receive a mark, or was just told that your action failed?

yes i received a mark, and was told my action failed.

[Sabrar]

Thank you, that is very interesting.

[Sabrar]

Here is where we stand:

1. There are 2 scum-teams of 2 players each.

2. Only 1 scum player is left alive. Any information/action/result that is confirmed by 2 living players is guaranteed to be true because both of them can't be lying.

3. Second scum team most likely does not have a kill, but they can 'mark' people. Inheriting the kill is unlikely as it was not used N3 and also doesn't align with provided flavor.

4. Flavor cops are most likely Town and produce accurate info. From a design pov flavor cops need to work together, we already flipped a player who could be immune to them, any more disadvantage and they become totally useless. Also if flavor cop is scum they must be a buddy to Bop, and as mentioned before this does not make a lot of sense.

5. heury is confirmed Town because he is mod-confirmed to bessie who is helping him.

6. There are 2 main scenarios:

- phillip is scum. The only mechanical confirmation about him is that he used a motivating ability N1. Nothing else.

- phillip is Town. In that case someone blocked him N3 and gave him a mark.

7. That someone can't be JC. As per the golden rule of action resolution my jail would have prevented him to act on phillip, plus both cops gave positive checks. Therefore he would need to be both Strongman AND Godfather, plus have a roleblock, plus have some tracking ability as his D2 was consistent with a N1 result on heury.

8. Boomfrog is very unlikely. He had a valid self-psychic result N1 and both cops gave positive checks. His N2 and N3 actions are not confirmed, though.

9. Santy is not confirmed at all. We only know that he visited Mak N1, no other mechanical confirmation is available.

Currently we have 1 marked player alive, assuming phillip is town. We don't know how the mark works, does scum need to mark all living players, 50%, 50%+1, is the mark just a synonym to an Arsonist priming or dousing a target, etc.

I'm working on a plan but wanted to present the summary for discussion in the meantime.

[boomfrog]

Sounds right. I'd assume arsonist analog and follows standard arsonist win condition.

[boomfrog]

Yeet Santy, double cop and jail Philip? JC tracks at his discretion (probably me).

[Sabrar]

Yeah, I'm thinking along similar lines.