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Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:32 am

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:19 am

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:00 am
Then it has to be me, Moody, and Bessie. Well now I just feel silly.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:10 am So, me tomorrow then?

This was JC conceding, correct?

JC, just to clarify, this is depression/impostor syndrome making you feel like everyone is against you, right? The rabbit says you're good, but I do want an explanation.

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:26 am My investigation failed so there's a roleblocker out there

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:52 am

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:26 am My investigation failed so there's a roleblocker out there

Who did you investigate?

wam wrote:My investigation failed so there's a roleblocker out there

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:26 am My investigation failed so there's a roleblocker out there

Theallieza wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:21 pm It looks like it is going to be bessie/JC/Santy.

Wam/Madge/Fred are all locktown.
There's an outside chance it's moody but I think moody would not have NKed Seven here. Moody has been trending townier anyway.
JC/Santy are all that's left.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:51 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:32 am

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:19 am


This was JC conceding, correct?

JC, just to clarify, this is depression/impostor syndrome making you feel like everyone is against you, right? The rabbit says you're good, but I do want an explanation.

Seriously didn't think Bessie was scum, figured she'd be elimmed, Wam would be NKed, I'd be elimmed today, and scum would win.

My comment about me, bessie, and moody was sarcasm, but hey that's the way the cookie crumbles.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:02 am

wam wrote:My investigation failed so there's a roleblocker out there

Well, that's why they could afford to kill Seven, no fear of the clear.

[quote="Madge"[ha ha ha what the fuckkk happened, triple FOS everyone who was going to vote Fred off instead of bessie, VINDICATION (captain holt vindication dot gif).

Theallieza wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:21 pm It looks like it is going to be bessie/JC/Santy.

Wam/Madge/Fred are all locktown.
There's an outside chance it's moody but I think moody would not have NKed Seven here. Moody has been trending townier anyway.
JC/Santy are all that's left.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:47 am Quick mostly-distracted thoughts:

I feel like JC is probably Town here. His play just feels so disconnected from everyone else it's really hard for me to believe he is actually paired with someone.

Santy is kind of a toss-up for me. I really like their content D3 and they come across as very authentic. OTOH, I am reasonably certain that they are a far better player than I am and I think there's a decent chance they could snow me easily. I still find Somi's play to be quite scummy. Though if Seven is Town I am somewhat less inclined to believe in scum!somi.

Which leaves the scum team as moody, bessie, and I guess Madge? I have higher confidence in Fred's townslip than Madge's and bessie is very unlikely to push Fred the way that she has as a teammate.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:33 pm

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:18 am

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:14 pm Sorry I’m typing in bed and didn’t flesh that thought out fully.

Santy and Moody are mafia in both worlds (Santy, Moody, JC) or (Santy, Moody, bessie). So we need to eliminate the odd one out (JC or bessie) to determine which is the correct worldview.

If its going to be between Bessie and I, go ahead and take me out. I'm pretty sure we're both town and she's a better player than me, so she'd have a better chance of proving a solve than I would.

For what it's worth, my role PM also says I'm VT since we're kind of mass claiming.

I disagree with this assessment. You have different strengths and weaknesses. Bessie is stronger early and mid game, you are stronger in end game. Mak disparages you for your vig shots in PYP, but my dude, we were playing against Swiss, Fonti, and Sabrar—one of the strongest scum teams possible. I've mentioned a couple of times now how you brought home the town victory in final 3 in the first game we played together. Bessie is A+ class player bordering S class, but her weakness lies in situations like that. She has difficulty reevaluating, so if scum plays in a manner that is consistent with her predefined view of how town should play, they will slip past. In the aforementioned F3, on the other hand, you were able to suss out the scummer that was highly town read up to that point.

In terms of proving a solve, as you put it, you come out ahead. Bessie doesn't make cases or theorize. You made an argument here yesterday that I found to be well thought out. The premise (that Seven is mafia) happened to be wrong, but the logic stemming from that premise was reasonable.

Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

Currently, I think you have the information necessary to solve much of the game. The advantage you have is that you know you are town, whereas the rest of us would have to flip you in order to know your alignment. If your conclusion is the same as mine for the above three questions, you're closer to the solve than any of us.

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:59 amtinfoil is bessie/wam/madge

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:03 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:02 amThank God Madge came in clutch I dont know if I was going to switch my vote on time lol

scummy pop in

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:04 amfrfr if bessie is wolf always go Santy toMorrow. also reread somi's posts they were v wolfy

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:57 am

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:56 amFOR FUCKS SAKE SEVEN WHO ARE YOU VOTINGFOR

I was going MOODY BUT THEA VOTED BESSIE

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:49 amFred's "town slip" is now void.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:41 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:27 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:56 amVote: Santy

I'm sorry Santy, but I can't seem to get down to a team where you're not in it :/

*Bonk*

Bad seven. You are even apoligizing wtf you know Im not a wolf here and are just scared of the possibility of me fooling you, I called you out on this where you are just worlbuilding and fitting the pieces as if I were a wolf but arent pointing to why you wolfread me or sus me because you cant find anything (or if you did, talk aboit ir so we can discuss it. Otherwise its super dismissive and unfair to me tbh)

I did actually review somi's post and could write an essay on his wolfiness.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:51 pmI think scum has 1-2 PRs. I do not think they are result-manipulating roles. I have an idea of what one might be, but it's best left unsaid at the moment.

Seven (heavily truncated) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:37 amMadge - town

I think Madge's play today regarding the guilty result on bessie is town-indicative. I am considering two scenarios, scum!Madge with town!bessie and scum!Madge with scum!bessie. In town!bessie scenario, I don't think it is likely for Madge to have come up with thoughts like these:

madge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:00 am@everyone: did anyone receive some sort of night action result on N1?

madge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:00 amPost truncated here by Fred, link intact.

Looking through the posts, I can't actually discount a scum!Madge/scum!bessie scenario. Scum!Madge would know that it was possible that I did have a genuine result on bessie and thus would be liable to have the speculations about Amnesia/JoAt/Tracker as she had. That being said, I think her speculation surrounding Wam's alignment and motivations likely stem from a town mindset. Her progression through her thoughts on Wam's claim are written in a way as if coming from a genuine stream of consciousness. This also resonates as genuine:

madge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:18 ambut I CAN'T

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:12 amCurrently, I am voting Santy as I believe he has the highest chance to be mafia. I'll have a final post by the end of tonight with my thoughts laid out since I won't be here tomorrow.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:56 amVote: Santy

I'm sorry Santy, but I can't seem to get down to a team where you're not in it :/

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:33 am sussed*

Madge Town Slip

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:44 pm

madge wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:27 amfor a setup, with 13 players i'd imagine we have a third party. given it's a mountainous game (is that the right term?), i'd expect 2-3 scum, but i am no expert scum balancer.

madge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 12:36 amNo, but thank you. I htought it was the opposite of role madness, where there's only a couple of power roles. (I could have looked that up too I guess but I didn't because as somi said you're all luccky to be playing with me

@Seven: This bit.

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:35 am

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:57 amWhere did you get the information that the game is low PR?

I'm sure you'll figure it out, everyone else has apparently lol

From the perspective of Madge in the first quote:

There are two types of games: Normal Games (which Madge referred to as Mountainous) and Role Madness games. In the former, there are a majority of vanilla players and a few PRs. In the latter, every player has a PR.

Because Madge is not a PR, she knew we weren't in Role Madness and, therefore, in a Normal Game. I initially didn't see this as really telling as Thea did because I didn't initially understand the dichotomous perspective. In my mind, games were a gradient between Role Madness (All PRs) and Mountainous (No PRs) with any number of PRs in between.

I do think it is possible Madge knew we were in a Normal Game based on there being goons on the mafia team. However, I think it's not as likely as her simply being town due to the way she has spoken about it.

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:23 pmBessie/Santy/Moody is the scum team.

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:39 pm Assume Somi scum. bessie's vote here was opportunistic (it's forced):

bessie (truncated) wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:26 amVote: Heury

As was this:

moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:49 amAs of now, heury is the only wagon I'm happy with.

Both were attempting to save somi. Bessie put heury at 4. Moody stated he wouldn't switch, keeping the wagon stable. They likely anticipated I would switch to her, my previously stated preferred elimination. Madge would be deciding vote who was following Mak who likely would have come on end of day supporting heury elim based on his prior appearance patterns and reads.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:53 pm
Walk me through here.
You thought Fred was town, and bessie was town. And you thought yeeting fred so that he could kill bessie was best course of action? Rather than just killing bessie directly with the elim?

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:52 pm

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:51 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:32 am

JC, just to clarify, this is depression/impostor syndrome making you feel like everyone is against you, right? The rabbit says you're good, but I do want an explanation.

Seriously didn't think Bessie was scum, figured she'd be elimmed, Wam would be NKed, I'd be elimmed today, and scum would win.

My comment about me, bessie, and moody was sarcasm, but hey that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I still am waiting for explanations on *why* did you have those reads. And were pushing Seven+me aka 2 town.

Do you have new reads?