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Bop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm "been denied" is dramatic but those spoiler tags have been mocking me

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 4:31 pm

Bop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm "been denied" is dramatic but those spoiler tags have been mocking me

12. This game may use post death mechanics, even if eliminated do not check Gojoe spoilers or green room until mod allows it

Here's to hoping you die and still can't look at spoilers

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:09 am @bessie: there was a Secret Santa game where I pretended to have a post-restriction D1 and you were furious about it. We then had private chat from D2. Can you tell me any specific details about it that heury wouldn't know?

Bop wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:45 am

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God, sorry to hear Sab. No worries at taking some time, seriously.


Okay, trying to get my current D1 reads figured out below. I will probably not use this framing again for my list.



Hearty Stew of Likely Town

Ahippo: I’m not saying role claiming a complicated, contingent on others use twice role after failing to get someone’s night action information when asking if that makes sense and acting relieved to not have secrets can’t be scummy and this can’t be a great play by scum(considering ahippo does have a mafia history, just not a recent one). But I’m saying I’d need a life changing amount of suspicious behavior to see it that way. I do wish he gave/had opinions on anyone that being the case.

Mak: Aggressive early play can go both ways, but I looked a tiny amount at some of the previous games on this forum to get some sort of read bc I kept flip flopping on my opinion. Their posts seem a lot more consistent with Town Mak than the single Scum Mak I could find……but scum mak was more busy in the game I found so it wasn’t as helpful as I wanted. I disagree on many of their takes (first two pages why me fry me being a big one as has already been discussed) but I do think they are legitimate takes at this time. Certainly not afraid to have enemies which is another point for being up here.



Refreshing soup of positive to neutral

Bessie: Her posts are full of specific insights and there’s a lot to gather. For now, seems open and asks specific questions of people, which gives us a lot more to read off of those answers. She is willing to have specific on the record opinions, and that's good this early. That said, if that ahippo vote stays too long as we approach deadline, just for the dislike of the claim that’s dropping her a lot for me. Depends on the next bark.

Boomfrog:
Similar read to Bessie, asks specific and direct questions and doesn’t seem to be afraid of making enemies day one.

Sabrar - I’m starting to like the cut of your jib, does call out specific things. Explicit sideline decision when ahippo began the path to claiming is a little weird.



Simmering neutral ph water (would like to see more before settling):

Teh Bubblez: As discussed before I don’t see their reaction to Mak as inherently scummy. Hasn’t given much to go off of beyond that.

Freddino: Alluded to role through avatar, posted abt take on potential multiball through role pm insights. Not much here yet.

Madge- I’ll need some time to think on where I land on her. While millers and scum both have a reason to claim miller early as it’s one of the two PR I feel scum have incentive to claim in a zanier game(alongside cop) I do think it’s way riskier to claim miller so probably more likely town here. Has been busy and seems to be famously anti day one so opting out of explicit reads entirely bc of the lack of substance. I’d assume this tracks regardless of alignment as that discussion was happening in the signups.

EGW- Recently started being active. Is asking direct questions and giving some takes at least, but too early for me to gleam anything definitive.



Waterier Broth in a Juice Pitcher of Neutral to Scummy:

Moody: Moody has been giving explicit opinions, but Cynical View raises an eyebrow for opening the door to a bit of both sidesing.

JC: Giving themselves a lot of room to go either way on the things they’ve spoken on similar to above.

Lazerguy: Generally being active and asking questions, but Fred vote right after Freddino engages is weak at best and I don’t like it. Also giving themselves an out to flip flop on the handshake interaction doesn’t sit well with me.

Wam: I struggled a bit here, but Wam has a lot more to say abt other games than this one and that reads as choosing not to engage and hoping to slide by.

Heuristically_alone: Has posted reads which is good, but to be honest his defense was far too jokey for me for both times they’ve been voted. I could live with that against my early vote, but against a later one as we get close to deadline??? Also I know it’s day one but they seem to not actually engage for a lot of other direct callouts. Barely engaged for a direct vote. Screams "I don't want to come off as not talking but I also don't want to talk myself into a hole" to me. I honestly stand by my vote.

Bop wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:23 pm

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These reads will very likely change, but quick thoughts right now.

Town
Boom: Flavor confirmed by cop. The reason we’ve gotten any of this claiming started and helped get the ball rolling on Wam. Great at trying to drag reasons out of people who don't leave them.

EGW: Claimed cop, very useful to rooting out scum with all flavor claims on the table. Frustrating reads and would scare me in a lylo scenario, but strikes me as town with their lack of care of how those reads come across.

Sab:Willing to backtrack when wrong, overall came around on the Wam vote, great mechanical write ups. Full claim is detailed as hell.

Phillip: Cleared from prior’s behavior, but that’s not the strongest kind of clear at this point.
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^{Pretty much anyone above this line I’m feeling good about. Obviously claims and actions could change this.}

Somi: asks good questions, good at clarifying, pretty much only in this neutral slot bc of getting by flavor claiming after the reveal of why it was happening.

_{Anyone below this line are my main suspects at this point.}
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JC: Ignored a lot of the wam stuff yesterday, voting for the claimed cop without an explainer. In a game with all flavor claimed and full claims incoming, this is an opinion that helps scum.

Heury: Fully the sk worry. This read has jumped around for me all game. Also going after the cop as opposed to anyone else here. Which if I'm right abt sk the reason for that is pretty obvious.

Santy: Wants to coast off of Wam vote, which could easily have been a bus (for instance. Had we decided to believe Wam’s false claim, they could still butt heads publicly in case one of them dies but would’ve basically both been cleared until then.) This also explains Santy’s insistence on only getting Wam’s potentially remaining teammates today-Santy is sure they wouldn’t be on that list, and has told us as such. I'm growing more sure on this. Also with their "I'm locktown" assumption they'd functionally be getting a second night kill through heury if we democratically point him.

EGW wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 6:44 am Well I targeted Mak and was going to hope he turned out to be a liar, and considered Santy as likely busser for Wam. Never mind on that though.

Bop wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:35 am Gunning for the one claimed cop is not helping my feelings here.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:29 am

Bop wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:06 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:35 pm b) I did say for now I wouldnt yeet considering multiball or indy hunt, we can force heury to target who we want, and depending on what flips tomorrow we will be sure or not if Malevonce mafia is still here or not.
If malevolence is not killing anymore, or heury doesnt kill who we say , we yeet them

This just seems foolish to me. If there is multiball at all, we've potentially made no progress on that front, and it only helps that person/faction to pretend they can't exist today(especially if we've cleared them based on madge/wam).

And in your strat with heury, couldn't a remaining Malevolence just not use their kill, or get role blocked, leaving you to think "oh, we're safe, lets go kill heury?" And in the other hypothetical where no Malevolence are left, we're be going off of almost fully outdated information in terms of clears and reads. And a hypothetical sk heury would love to kill who we say bc it wouldn't make a difference to them winning.

This is plain wrong.

First, we *have* made progress even if its multiball, potentially wiping out a faction is one hell of progress to me. And its only benefitial to that scum/indy only if they are cleared/unpaired from the other mafia, we still have PoE slots that are useful to sort through in BOTH multiball and non multiball scenarios, so until having further info/confirmation to me is just a no brainer to solve the slots that no matter the scenario can be scum.

If they dont use their kill, its good for us still. If they get RB'ed is good and have potential info on why it happened later when we see a kill again. And like, doesnt matter if SK!Heury loves that kill, the matter of fact is that it helps *us* more , we have them on a leash regardless and can solve.

I dont mind foolishly believing a potential SK!Heury here for a day, against just doing a very dumb move if heury is town vig here and yeeting them. To me its just playing optimal way and not assuming stuff about the setup when we have no confirmation

phillip1882 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:10 am umm i'm unclear, yesterday you said bop has been eliminated but today he escaped?
edit never mind i see it.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:54 am I jailed JC and I am not motivated.

EGW wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:24 pm Good morning. JC is not aligned with a calamity.