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Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:10 am @Santy can you explain your night action. I'd like for this to be done before anything else.

I used bodyguard on you. I softed kinda that I was protecting you yesterday and in my talk about too many protectives I think I implied somewhat in my rationales (Since Im just a all around protective)

Also I agree with Eam being probably town.
Dont think they just go for double bus , and the observer action on n1 seeing current flips from mafia (rolecop that probably copped Mak + just backup on traffic analyser) makes it unlikely that they watched the nk target (assuming Adum is telling the truth about their role).

Seven is also always town. Thea+Fred cleared by being masons. Mak is copped by bessie and also has been protown with their vote, the way moody voted them and pushed also unpairing af . Excluding myself that only leaves me....

That its either Adum or this is multiball? Wowee

Also I still dont understand why people in PoE keep dying LMAO

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:08 am The doc and parrot were me.

I doctored thea. Parrot I'm going to wait for other claims before claiming.

Can you claim it before seven claims their action?

Wam has a cop result on The being town, so the multiball theory doesnt holds much weight . Weh.

I think its probably Adum being indy the most likely conclusion. Havent read the claim fully in detail , but nk protection/BP + Double vote just seems out of line.

Maybe if this is multiball + Wam observed Adum while the other team killed them? But still in that world the only partner possible would be Seven .
Since if its multiball, the power of the scum team should be the same leve as what we've seen of somi/moody , so Mak/Thea/Wam discarded imo. And Seven I think is always town so /shrug

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:55 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:08 am The doc and parrot were me.

I doctored thea. Parrot I'm going to wait for other claims before claiming.

Can you claim it before seven claims their action?

I will.claim half of it as others may want to keep.what they did secret.

I parroted seven so basically I watched seven. They were visited by the role you claimed above and I can confirm that role.matches your claim.

They were visited by 1 other role.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:03 pm Wam has a cop result on The being town, so the multiball theory doesnt holds much weight . Weh.

I think its probably Adum being indy the most likely conclusion. Havent read the claim fully in detail , but nk protection/BP + Double vote just seems out of line.

Maybe if this is multiball + Wam observed Adum while the other team killed them? But still in that world the only partner possible would be Seven .
Since if its multiball, the power of the scum team should be the same leve as what we've seen of somi/moody , so Mak/Thea/Wam discarded imo. And Seven I think is always town so /shrug

Your missing what I think is the clear answer to the problem. Given the resuslts amd the amount of town investigative powers in the game, I'm 99% certain there is a godfather or similar.

I have some off the wall theories about what we could be looking at that are bouncing around my head that I'm going to try and detail this evening.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:05 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:03 pm Wam has a cop result on The being town, so the multiball theory doesnt holds much weight . Weh.

I think its probably Adum being indy the most likely conclusion. Havent read the claim fully in detail , but nk protection/BP + Double vote just seems out of line.

Maybe if this is multiball + Wam observed Adum while the other team killed them? But still in that world the only partner possible would be Seven .
Since if its multiball, the power of the scum team should be the same leve as what we've seen of somi/moody , so Mak/Thea/Wam discarded imo. And Seven I think is always town so /shrug

Your missing what I think is the clear answer to the problem. Given the resuslts amd the amount of town investigative powers in the game, I'm 99% certain there is a godfather or similar.

I mean, mason+godfather is discarded.

So Mak/Adum would be the only candidates for Godfather .

Adum would mean we didnt have a n1 for some unexplained reason, and Mak just from posting + moody interactions doesnt fit into a team imo

Why is mason+godfather discarded?

Godfather protects from investigation, it doesn't imply they'll read town in a masonry. That's a lie that can't be reasonably anticipated.

Hold on, let me work this out but I might have an idea.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:13 pm Why is mason+godfather discarded?

Isnt it like, super bastard? Mason is literally confirming a town.

If you are town mason but the other is mafia godfather then you literally cant trust the purpose of your role. To me is one of the most bastard stuff known to man lol

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:23 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:13 pm Why is mason+godfather discarded?

Isnt it like, super bastard? Mason is literally confirming a town.

If you are town mason but the other is mafia godfather then you literally cant trust the purpose of your role. To me is one of the most bastard stuff known to man lol

But this is where the crazy ideas start to come in. Bearing in mind we have never independently confirm the masons. Would this be balanced enough to run?

Game starts 8/4
To balance out the scum team the mods did
A) enormous pile of town PR
B) made 2 of the scum team lovers
C) stopped them shooting N1

So In the above Fred and thea are scum lovers with thea being a godfather.

So, we have 7 people left.

Seven,
Myself,
Mak,
Wam,
Santy,
Fred,
Thea

That means we have three yeets.

I think Mak and Seven are just obvious town from play. Wam can't be scum without Thea or Fredd flipping scum and we have a protector in the POE.

Unless last mafia has a roleblock (which, unless they're Wam, they would've used last night on Bessie and I'm strongly suspecting no strongman, or at least strongman left) we can park Santy on Seven and use Seven's doc on Mak.

Yeet me, scum is forced to kill Santy, Thea, or Fredd, or Wam. Any of those choices gives us enough yeets to flip one of the Masons and flip whoever their flip implies is scum. If Seven dies, just flip Santy, no questions asked.

I also think if the Masons are scum there's a more than 90% chance they're lovers. Frankly, I think the Masons being alive at this game state just implies they're scum and Fredd at least would've been Nk'd because Thea has been a popular protection target so NK dodging makes sense.

I THINK 8-4 with mafia lovers might be a plossible. The only thing I'm really concerned about is if Thea and Fredd are an Indy non-killing chrono gardener aligned team.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:30 pm So In the above Fred and thea are scum lovers with thea being a godfather.

I see you had the same idea I did and made my plan on the basis of.

In addition I REALLY want Wam's character claim now. I think Seven's would be useful for comparison too.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:47 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:30 pm So In the above Fred and thea are scum lovers with thea being a godfather.

I see you had the same idea I did and made my plan on the basis of.

Great.minds and all that! Thoughts on my speculation of no N1 kill to help balance?

There are other ideas in my head i want to try and reaspn out. I.e. going back.to the multiball idea and 8/2/2 or so.ethong wven crazier. but I want to read all the flavour and flips. As initially read is both moody and somi flipping as "mafia" may rule.it out but I'm not.100% on that.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:51 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:47 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:30 pm So In the above Fred and thea are scum lovers with thea being a godfather.

I see you had the same idea I did and made my plan on the basis of.

Great.minds and all that! Thoughts on my speculation of no N1 kill to help balance?

Only if I'm scum lol

I already said my BP is one shot and was expendes N1 as part of my long claim post. Actually that was part of the reason I suspected you.

There are other ideas in my head i want to try and reaspn out. I.e. going back.to the multiball idea and 8/2/2 or so.ethong wven crazier. but I want to read all the flavour and flips. As initially read is both moody and somi flipping as "mafia" may rule.it out but I'm not.100% on that.

Fredd and Thea being Indy (and quite likely lovers specifically) remains a concern for my theory.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:49 pm In addition I REALLY want Wam's character claim now. I think Seven's would be useful for comparison too.

The Doctor

Specifically Matt Smith

I crumbed it ages ago. I'm fairly certain all.the JOATs are different variants of the doctor.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:57 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:51 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:47 pm

I see you had the same idea I did and made my plan on the basis of.

Great.minds and all that! Thoughts on my speculation of no N1 kill to help balance?

Only if I'm scum lol

I already said my BP is one shot and was expendes N1 as part of my long claim post. Actually that was part of the reason I suspected you.

There are other ideas in my head i want to try and reaspn out. I.e. going back.to the multiball idea and 8/2/2 or so.ethong wven crazier. but I want to read all the flavour and flips. As initially read is both moody and somi flipping as "mafia" may rule.it out but I'm not.100% on that.

Fredd and Thea being Indy (and quite likely lovers specifically) remains a concern for my theory.

Duh got that muddled up.the N1 no kill only works.if your mafia godfather. Or lying for some other reason.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:00 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:57 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:51 pm

Great.minds and all that! Thoughts on my speculation of no N1 kill to help balance?

Only if I'm scum lol

I already said my BP is one shot and was expendes N1 as part of my long claim post. Actually that was part of the reason I suspected you.

There are other ideas in my head i want to try and reaspn out. I.e. going back.to the multiball idea and 8/2/2 or so.ethong wven crazier. but I want to read all the flavour and flips. As initially read is both moody and somi flipping as "mafia" may rule.it out but I'm not.100% on that.

Fredd and Thea being Indy (and quite likely lovers specifically) remains a concern for my theory.

Duh got that muddled up.the N1 no kill only works.if your mafia godfather. Or lying for some other reason.

I'm not Seven lol

I also crumbed that I didn't get doc protected a while back which implies I'm a one shot.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:58 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:49 pm In addition I REALLY want Wam's character claim now. I think Seven's would be useful for comparison too.

The Doctor

Specifically Matt Smith

I crumbed it ages ago. I'm fairly certain all.the JOATs are different variants of the doctor.

Gonna review JC's flip then, but we caught the WHO claim before, but that doesn't necessarily imply you're specifically one of the Doctor's regenerations so that's useful clarification.

Now I REALLY want Seven to nameclaim.

@everyone: I'd like thoughts on my game solve plan here: https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=81378#p81378

Also, if anyone is a town compatible Indy, now's the time to claim it

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:29 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:23 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:13 pm Why is mason+godfather discarded?

Isnt it like, super bastard? Mason is literally confirming a town.

If you are town mason but the other is mafia godfather then you literally cant trust the purpose of your role. To me is one of the most bastard stuff known to man lol

But this is where the crazy ideas start to come in. Bearing in mind we have never independently confirm the masons. Would this be balanced enough to run?

Game starts 8/4
To balance out the scum team the mods did
A) enormous pile of town PR
B) made 2 of the scum team lovers
C) stopped them shooting N1

4 scum in an 12 (previously 11) player game is wild balance-wise. Like, that's enough scum for a 17+ player game.

Um... so in this theory, why exactly would I/we have bussed both of our partners so hard? With a 4 person voting block we could have easily flipped Town!you in D2 and made it to LYLO D3. Or done the same in D3, for that matter. What's my strategy here?