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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:05 pm**

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Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:56 am Well fuck me I was completely wrong

this game needs a full reread jfc thankfully im not traveling this week so I can do a dive

Adum do you know if the neighborhood survives the death of the neighborizor? Did you have any chance to chat with seven last night? also did you gain any abilities?

Neighborizer doesn't resolve til the end of the night and I don't get to use it til night phase so I guess we'll see if it survives. But I didn't get to talk to Seven at all.

I want to hold my NA and gained abilities til everyone claims what they did last night.

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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm**

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Honestly perplexed by the seven kill, they were almost lynched twice AND their powers weren't that useful.

Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.

Right now, I'm thinking that either somi or moody is the last human and I'm thinking a mak/laser dissenter team aka the killers.

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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:14 pm**

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Actually, what did you and Seven talk about last night Laser?

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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:16 pm**

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Oh wait, moody is super unlikely to be human because of how EGW and Zeniba treated them, forgot about that.");

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:50 pm**

Tracked: LG, somi
Watched: bessie, Adum

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:00 am**

Woof.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm Honestly perplexed by the seven kill, they were almost lynched twice AND their powers weren't that useful.

Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.

I also think Seven was an interesting choice for a kill.
I believe we have at least two remaining scum.
I am not afraid of Seven.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:50 pm Tracked: LG, somi
Watched: bessie, Adum

My night actions and/or results do not contradict moody’s claim.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:04 am**

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:00 am Woof.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm Honestly perplexed by the seven kill, they were almost lynched twice AND their powers weren't that useful.

Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.
I also think Seven was an interesting choice for a kill.
I believe we have at least two remaining scum.
I am not afraid of Seven.

Interesting that you suggested "afraid", I was more thinking in terms of who it benefits from seven dying.

I think we might need more concrete information from you soon, cause if there's three scum we need to lynch the rest of the scum in a row.

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Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:22 am**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:04 am Interesting that you suggested "afraid", I was more thinking in terms of who it benefits from seven dying.

I’m just being smug.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:36 am
bessie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:35 am I’m not afraid of you.
I hope to change that by the end of this.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:04 am I think we might need more concrete information from you soon, cause if there's three scum we need to lynch the rest of the scum in a row.

I have reason to believe there is at least one scum in [Makhaira, LaserGuy, JC].

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:27 am**

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bessie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:22 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:04 am Interesting that you suggested "afraid", I was more thinking in terms of who it benefits from seven dying.
I’m just being smug.
Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:36 am
bessie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:35 am I’m not afraid of you.
I hope to change that by the end of this.

Oh lol

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:04 am I think we might need more concrete information from you soon, cause if there's three scum we need to lynch the rest of the scum in a row.
I have reason to believe there is at least one scum in [Makhaira, LaserGuy, JC].

Mind expanding on that?

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Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:22 am**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:35 pm
I'd suggest double checking with the mod, but it's possible the simultaneous resolution meant that it wouldn't count til this night phase. That would be a useful detail.

Yep, once, and only if I forgo my other abilities. It's very low on my priorities list for obvious reasons

I checked with our human overlords and yes, neighbouriser doesn't work immediately the night it targets a player so if Seven and I target the same person on the same night I see no chat.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.

So you're thinking we started with 3 humans and 3 different falvours of indie?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:27 am Mind expanding on that?

I'm guessing she has the same kind of result she had on Gluelock, Moody and me, but I'd like to know more about that too

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:37 pm**

She worded what she said about you, Moody, and Gluelock differently though.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:13 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:05 pm System.out.println("

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:56 am Well fuck me I was completely wrong

this game needs a full reread jfc thankfully im not traveling this week so I can do a dive

Adum do you know if the neighborhood survives the death of the neighborizor? Did you have any chance to chat with seven last night? also did you gain any abilities?
Neighborizer doesn't resolve til the end of the night and I don't get to use it til night phase so I guess we'll see if it survives. But I didn't get to talk to Seven at all.

I want to hold my NA and gained abilities til everyone claims what they did last night.

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Ok good to know

My gut is telling me to give laser a hard look today, cant really explain it

I agree with the idea that moody is almost def not a human given treatment from zeniba/EGW, dont see them turbo bussing like that

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:14 pm**

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:22 am I have reason to believe there is at least one scum in [Makhaira, LaserGuy, JC].

can you post your other tested pool again please for ease of visibility. If your abilitybis is to be trusted we can probably do some simple probability assessments based on your pools and any overlap they share

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:15 pm**

Still havent had time to full reread, thankfully deadline is the weekend and I should def he done with that by friday

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:15 pm**

I didnt get any results last night btw so seems I was not targeted at all

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:30 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm System.out.println("

Honestly perplexed by the seven kill, they were almost lynched twice AND their powers weren't that useful.

Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.

3 different factions meaning you think we're in a 7/3/1/1/1 type scenario? Or 7/3/2/1? Or something else?

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:38 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:14 pm System.out.println("

Actually, what did you and Seven talk about last night Laser?

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Not much. Looks something like this:

Seven - Surprised that Glue flipped Town.
Laser - They were pretty townie for most of the game, but yeah, it was a terrible mistake.
Seven - What night action are you going to do tonight?
Laser - Not planning on claiming it.
Seven - You can tell me, I'm confirmed Town from Glue's N1
Laser - That only says you aren't a killer, doesn't mean you have to be Town.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:44 pm**

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:00 am Woof.

I also think Seven was an interesting choice for a kill.
I believe we have at least two remaining scum.
I am not afraid of Seven.

You should be. Seven ate Nine.

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And why did Seven eat Nine? Because you're supposed to be three squared meals a day

How does Gluelock's flip affect the result you were (sort of) claiming last Day?

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:46 pm**

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:13 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:05 pm System.out.println("

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:56 am Well fuck me I was completely wrong

this game needs a full reread jfc thankfully im not traveling this week so I can do a dive

Adum do you know if the neighborhood survives the death of the neighborizor? Did you have any chance to chat with seven last night? also did you gain any abilities?
Neighborizer doesn't resolve til the end of the night and I don't get to use it til night phase so I guess we'll see if it survives. But I didn't get to talk to Seven at all.

I want to hold my NA and gained abilities til everyone claims what they did last night.

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Ok good to know

My gut is telling me to give laser a hard look today, cant really explain it

Please try to explain it. We need a lot more out of you today.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:51 pm**

From where I'm sitting it looks like we have:

bessie - Human
One or both of somi/Mak - Killing scum

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm**

The logic of the game seems to be pointing to humans having strong, obviously townie powers [cop, doc]
Actual town seems to have more middleweight-to-weak powers [bodyguard, gunsmith, neighborizer]
Killer's powers may be outliers in some other way.

Of claimed roles we have:
JoAT (Laser)
Absorber (Adum)
Chat cop (somi)
Multi-tracker/watcher (moody)
Self watcher (Mak)
Some sort of comparison cop? (bessie)
???? (JC)

There's a lot of similar types of roles:
4 cops of various types: Zeniba, bessie, somi, Glue
2 tracker types: moody, me
2 self-identifier types: Adum, Mak
2 protective types: BoomFrog, EGW
1 neighborizer: Seven
1 JC
1 heury: heury

Wouldn't surprise me to find one scum in each of the first three groups. So it might be moody/bessie/Mak? Maybe I'm wrong about bessie and EGW's white knighting of her was just nothing and it's moody/somi/Mak?

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:44 pm**

Wagons so far:

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D1

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Zeniba - 6 - Boomfrog, Seven, Adum, Moody, LaserGuy, Gluelock
Not voting: JC

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi, Moody
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
JC_Daddy - 2 - Seven, Boomfrog
Not voting: JC

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Not voting: JC, BoomFrog

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 2 - Gluelock, LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Adum - 1 - Adum
Not voting: JC, Seven

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Boomfrog, Heury, Somi (L-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Bessie - 1 - LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody
EGW- 1 - Gluelock
Not voting: JC, Seven

D2
heury - 6 - Adum, LaserGuy, Makhaira, moody, Seven, somitomi
Adum - 1 - heury
LaserGuy - 1 - EGW
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Not voting: JC, Gluelock

D3
Seven - 3 - Mak, JC, Bessie
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Somi - 1 - Moody
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 1 - Seven

Seven - 2 - Mak, JC,
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 4 - Seven, Adum, Bessie, Moody

Hmm... moody's voting behaviour is interesting. Outside of an early vanity wagon on heury, he's pretty much parked himself on the lead wagon for every vote of significance. D1 elimination wagon very unlikely to be pure, pointing to scum in [Adum, moody]. Last human likely is on the Seven wagon, pointing to [bessie, somi].

Btw, @Adum, I think you are supposed to give bessie an apology dance.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:13 pm**

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LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:30 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:51 pm System.out.println("

Honestly perplexed by the seven kill, they were almost lynched twice AND their powers weren't that useful.

Either we're dealing with a situation that scum thought all the powers that were stronger were scum of the same faction or protected in some form (as I said I'm of the opinion that 3 of the remaining players are scum of different factions), or the killer was concerned about seven specifically. If that were, that probably would be Mak or Bessie, possibly laser, seven did withdraw from them, but it's possible they expected Seven to return to them next game day.
3 different factions meaning you think we're in a 7/3/1/1/1 type scenario? Or 7/3/2/1? Or something else?

Worded that awkwardly, "but not all the same faction" would've been more accurate, I think it's 7/3/2/1.

I'm considering it's 8/3/1/1, but if human mafia doesn't have kills and the actual killer has to die in order for them to gain kills, they should be informed about the nature of the faction (SK or a Mafia faction) and EGW was waaaay too committed about me and Seven beijg scum together, I think he was trying to scumhunt and I read it as him legitimately thinking he found the opposing team.

And I think at this point we're way past disputing if the humans have the kills btw. Their powers make no sense for a faction that doesn't have to fear NKs, and there's only been one kill a night which has hit one of them.

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Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:47 pm**

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LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:44 pm Wagons so far:

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D1

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Zeniba - 6 - Boomfrog, Seven, Adum, Moody, LaserGuy, Gluelock
Not voting: JC

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi, Moody
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
JC_Daddy - 2 - Seven, Boomfrog
Not voting: JC

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Not voting: JC, BoomFrog

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 2 - Gluelock, LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Adum - 1 - Adum
Not voting: JC, Seven

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Boomfrog, Heury, Somi (L-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Bessie - 1 - LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody
EGW- 1 - Gluelock
Not voting: JC, Seven

D2
heury - 6 - Adum, LaserGuy, Makhaira, moody, Seven, somitomi
Adum - 1 - heury
LaserGuy - 1 - EGW
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Not voting: JC, Gluelock

D3
Seven - 3 - Mak, JC, Bessie
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Somi - 1 - Moody
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 1 - Seven

Seven - 2 - Mak, JC,
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 4 - Seven, Adum, Bessie, Moody

Hmm... moody's voting behaviour is interesting. Outside of an early vanity wagon on heury, he's pretty much parked himself on the lead wagon for every vote of significance. D1 elimination wagon very unlikely to be pure, pointing to scum in [Adum, moody]. Last human likely is on the Seven wagon, pointing to [bessie, somi].

Btw, @Adum, I think you are supposed to give bessie an apology dance.

Nope, I was right on Seven. But if Bessie wants they can do an apology dance for me and boom :p

That's essentially a similar critique of Moody's play that I made last day phase.

I don't put much stock in wagonomics without understanding intent behind behavior, but if you're gonna present them you should include Mak's pseudo vote for zeniba and yourself for transparency. Also, you earlier asserted in a three man scumteam, one was probably off the other was probably on the wagon, what changed your thought process?

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Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:02 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:47 pm System.out.println("

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:44 pm Wagons so far:

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D1

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Zeniba - 6 - Boomfrog, Seven, Adum, Moody, LaserGuy, Gluelock
Not voting: JC

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi, Moody
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
JC_Daddy - 2 - Seven, Boomfrog
Not voting: JC

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 3 - Gluelock, LaserGuy, Adum
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Not voting: JC, BoomFrog

Seven - 4 - Bessie, EGW, Heury, Somi (E-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
EGW - 2 - Gluelock, LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody.
JC_Daddy - 1 - Seven
Adum - 1 - Adum
Not voting: JC, Seven

Seven - 5 - Bessie, EGW, Boomfrog, Heury, Somi (L-2)
Moody - 2 - Makhaira, Zeniba
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Bessie - 1 - LaserGuy
Heury - 1 - moody
EGW- 1 - Gluelock
Not voting: JC, Seven

D2
heury - 6 - Adum, LaserGuy, Makhaira, moody, Seven, somitomi
Adum - 1 - heury
LaserGuy - 1 - EGW
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Not voting: JC, Gluelock

D3
Seven - 3 - Mak, JC, Bessie
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Laserguy - 1 - Adum
Somi - 1 - Moody
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 1 - Seven

Seven - 2 - Mak, JC,
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Gluelock
Moody - 1 - Somi
Gluelock - 4 - Seven, Adum, Bessie, Moody

Hmm... moody's voting behaviour is interesting. Outside of an early vanity wagon on heury, he's pretty much parked himself on the lead wagon for every vote of significance. D1 elimination wagon very unlikely to be pure, pointing to scum in [Adum, moody]. Last human likely is on the Seven wagon, pointing to [bessie, somi].

Btw, @Adum, I think you are supposed to give bessie an apology dance.
Nope, I was right on Seven. But if Bessie wants they can do an apology dance for me and boom :p

That's essentially a similar critique of Moody's play that I made last day phase.

I don't put much stock in wagonomics without understanding intent behind behavior, but if you're gonna present them you should include Mak's pseudo vote for zeniba and yourself for transparency. Also, you earlier asserted in a three man scumteam, one was probably off the other was probably on the wagon, what changed your thought process?

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When did Mak pseudo vote for me?

I think if humans do not have a kill, then bussing is much less likely for them as it is exponentially worse for them to lose a member, especially on D1, and I think on balance they will be more adverse to bussing than baseline. If humans are informed of the other scum, they should presumably also have some legit scumreads that they could be pursuing over their teammates.

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