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Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:21 pm Does heury kill really take priority? Thats busted and also inconvebient cuz them shooting me guaranteed my protection isnt going to happen smh

What protection?

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:24 am

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:20 am I imagine the purpose of been not able to outprioritize is to ensure that death mason activates on all my targets. With the exception of a potential more special kill, which maybe scum have a 1 shot override everything

Can you ask the mod if you devouring the player who is carrying out the mafia elem would stop it?

This info would really help, because if it does then we know Madge didn't do the kill and I didn't do the kill because I was jailed...

Bop probably did the kill.

I'm asking. Also now that I'm thinking about it, it seemed pointless to have night chat when mafia. But it makes sense of there are 2 mafia teams cuz then they could decide to help me hunt the opposing mafia team. Still very wifom any info is get from scum either way.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:27 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:21 pm Does heury kill really take priority? Thats busted and also inconvebient cuz them shooting me guaranteed my protection isnt going to happen smh

What protection?

IIRC Santy is claiming bodyguard

I cannot stop the Mafia elim as all kills happen at the same time. The analogy is that of 2 guns being fired at the same time, but my bullet flies a little faster.

I know that he's claiming bodyguard, I'm trying to figure out why it's guaranteed to fail? Because he's shot first?

I'm wondering if in the rare case scum, heury, and Santy all pick the same target both Santy and the target would die.

Mostly continuing to post so I don't get modkilled and bc I like to talk-I'm aware I'm not really "part of the conversation" at this point

Sabrar wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 6:19 pm I get that, but the only reason this game exists is that people think differently. From your pov it might be skill issue, but maybe they have lost in the past for believing a similar argument and are suspicious of you because you keep insisting that you simply have to be town.

Right! Like this exactly. It's a much more drastic version of "including yourself as town in your reads" which I don't think is AI. But escalating that to creating your own behavioral locktown explanation is like one of the biggest red flags to me.

somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:26 am Man, am I an idiot, I should've realised you also knew what the flavour alignments meant by the time you explained it in thread and possibly even before you claimed yours. Especially when you kept pushing in my direction for supposedly being the only one who claimed with that knowledge.

Once we had the revelation of Berseria on D2 I had a bunch more flavor to inhale, (flavor research, as should be obvious by now, is one of my favorite parts of themed games and used to be necessary! When I used to play as back in the early 2010s “having a fake claim” wasn’t a thing here and you were stuck having to sink or swim. Still was necessary to do in this game bc I didn’t get that perk, hence why I didn't know what sab meant by "having fake claims" back in day two during that whole debacle) Once boomfrog brought up mass flavor claiming it just made sense looking at Velvet vs Heldalf as the two Lords and how they just couldn’t be the same faction, or even two evil factions. That was one of my favorite things to find out abt Berseria-how they flip the Shepherd and Lord titles on their head. So I got lucky lol.

Not gonna weigh in on night actions bc it probably won't matter to me due to almost certainly being dead. Even if I somehow survive I doubt my say would hold weight, but I want it on the record. If I do survive into the night, I think the best, most strategically sound move for everyone is that all the protectives should target me so I can thief their abilities for myself. Trust the process.

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:13 am If I do survive into the night, I think the best, most strategically sound move for everyone is that all the protectives should target me so I can thief their abilities for myself. Trust the process.

Not gonna happen

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:17 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:21 pm Does heury kill really take priority? Thats busted and also inconvebient cuz them shooting me guaranteed my protection isnt going to happen smh

It outprioritizes standard kills, not protections.

Gotcha, I think then you have priority over any other standard kill if you both target the same slot to kill, not in the sense that you go before any other ability, so makes sense tbh. All is good

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:14 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:27 pm Me and JC are sitting ducks for the phase, whoever Sabrar jails is cleared if there is a nk, or damned if not

Incorrect, scum could withhold to gamble on a missyeet. This is a very common scenario in an endgame.

Its still a win for us, scum granting us a no death night and the rest of the roles getting info? Sounds like a huge win for us tbh

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:21 am I like Sabrar's plan, and frankly I'm feeling unmotivated to come up with anything better. Maybe let's say, the motivate should target between Somi, EGW and Sabrar. That's enough variance to make guessing hard but still ensures it goes to a useful target.

I could make a case for why Santy is the next most likely scum if there's any left but the long and short of it is he's a try hard and I think this is in his scum range. And bodyguard is a weak power and strange when we also have a jailer and JOAT bodyguard shot.

If Bop flips scum or either mafia I think I'd take out Santy next in all cases, so my vote is:

Heury eats Santy

Why is it strange? Wouldnt it be strange to *not* have a bodyguard? All your other Joat roles are present in the game Frog lol

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:05 am I know that he's claiming bodyguard, I'm trying to figure out why it's guaranteed to fail? Because he's shot first?

If heury shot had priority, then I would be dead first and not able to use my action . But the priority is not in the way I thought it was implied so Im going to be able to bodyguard ehe

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:10 am I'm wondering if in the rare case scum, heury, and Santy all pick the same target both Santy and the target would die.

Im hoping that if Im able to protect the target of the nk , I would be the only death in the night tbh :hmmyes:

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:37 am *noted*

For the record I dlnt have any mech pointing to you acting on me, just was what I assumed and made it seem like I was sure to make you admit it in the case you wanted to hide it haha~

What did you mean by this?

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:43 am I'm asking. Also now that I'm thinking about it, it seemed pointless to have night chat when mafia. But it makes sense of there are 2 mafia teams cuz then they could decide to help me hunt the opposing mafia team. Still very wifom any info is get from scum either way.

Do you have madge in there chatting away as well? If madge still has access to the mafia night chat she can relay anything important. Idk how that might be relevant anymore though.

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:00 am I cannot stop the Mafia elim as all kills happen at the same time. The analogy is that of 2 guns being fired at the same time, but my bullet flies a little faster.

That's what I figured.

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:13 am Mostly continuing to post so I don't get modkilled and bc I like to talk-I'm aware I'm not really "part of the conversation" at this point
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I think the best, most strategically sound move for everyone is that all the protectives should target me so I can thief their abilities for myself. Trust the process.

Lol, I had a good time playing with you, and you played really well. You were on my short list toDay though, that's why I was feeling you and Santy out. You've had a VERY townie tone, but you just haven't actually done much to actually find scum.

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:13 amWhen I used to play as back in the early 2010s “having a fake claim” wasn’t a thing here and you were stuck having to sink or swim. Still was necessary to do in this game bc I didn’t get that perk, hence why I didn't know what sab meant by "having fake claims" back in day two during that whole debacle)

Sorry for not believing you, when I communicated with the mods they phrased it like "all non-town have fake claims". So indies should also have a fake claim, not just scum.

I misunderstood heury's kill outprioritizing others, makes sense this way. Then in my proposed plan Santy can still guard me so I can ensure a jail N4.

I'll be back late this evening.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:22 pm You think a game with 3 deaths per night make sense Sabrar?

Quick phone-post. This is absolutely inconsistent with your previous analysis. You said that if Bop flips Mafia B then heury would be cleared. But that would surely mean 3 kills per night. If you don't believe ín that being possible then you would think heury must be Bop's partner.

phillip1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:59 pm hey guys. newbie joining in place of ahippo.
i'm not really sure what more to post, but will try to comment every day.

Hey Phillip,
Please do comment, I appreciate you filled in so we didn't need a modkill, but you really can post anything. Just say what you have read. Please post anything.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:42 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:37 am *noted*

For the record I dlnt have any mech pointing to you acting on me, just was what I assumed and made it seem like I was sure to make you admit it in the case you wanted to hide it haha~

What did you mean by this?

Quick at work posting-

I meant that I took a gamble making it look like I had some sort of mech knowledge that Sabrar targeted me when I didnt at all.

It was mores to force scum!sabrar to admit they targeted me in cases they did and wanted to keep shut about it (I was assuming they were Roleblocker, didnt consider them as possible Jailer)

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:45 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:22 pm You think a game with 3 deaths per night make sense Sabrar?

Quick phone-post. This is absolutely inconsistent with your previous analysis. You said that if Bop flips Mafia B then heury would be cleared. But that would surely mean 3 kills per night. If you don't believe ín that being possible then you would think heury must be Bop's partner.

I do think that if there is other mafia/scum , its unlikely that they are able to kill imo, again 3 deaths per night is too much.

But that second mafia not having a factional kill or like, inheriting it if the other is gone could be a possibility in my mind.

Like, specially considering how each role of death had a part that let people keep talking (Mak's role making the corrupted by malevolence mafia be stumps, and heury kill masoning their targets. Another third kill just seems weird to fit in, and too bloodlusty or killing power heavy in a setup in where I feel wasnt intended for people to drop like flies)

I believe it but man is this sad. Can you target someone two nights in a row btw?

yes. or at least i wasn't told otherwise.
but i can only use my power one more time.