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Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 pm @Santy: I want to eliminate non-Wam scum today because I want to use his loud abilities tonight. Additionally, if Adum is indeed 3P, then it may be that he is trying to off the JOATs.

What use do they have? Like, Mak does have them loud for today to confirm what they do but thats about it? You think it can be clearing or damning? Could only see it as damning in a few scenarios but thats about it?

Bessie role is far better to have one more night, specially if town (which I think they are). Moody aswell since it can give us a sort of check on someone . So its like if town they guve us useful mech info, or have to make some read compromise as scum and lying idk. And moody im like at 90% that even if scum they didnt kill JC

He has a parrot, roleblock, and doc. It’s not about clearing him, it’s about using his abilities.

Have you asked yet to confirm the veracity of Wam's answer. It has value for figuring out whether or not he's paired with the killer.

Furthermore, I don't think @Mak ever answered if he can motivate factional kills.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:39 am

Did you ask if your motivation works on factional and SK kills?

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:34 pm

Quoting nothing to ping you @wam

Please list all of your remaining powers and your proposal for how they will be used tonight and rationale for your picks

Also please inform us if my motivating allows you to use any given power you have twice, or if you can only use it to do two separate powers from those available to you on the same night

Didn't ask adum I will now

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:07 pm user_id=64]
What use does their abilities have if they are scum?

And can you see my point that if assuming town then bessie or moody abilities have much more benefit than those?

Doc protects a townie. Parrot can watch me while I watch someone else, or it can clear bessie if bessie is sane (which I tried to do last night), or it can mimic your hidden odd night ability.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:32 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:34 pm

Quoting nothing to ping you @wam

Please list all of your remaining powers and your proposal for how they will be used tonight and rationale for your picks

Also please inform us if my motivating allows you to use any given power you have twice, or if you can only use it to do two separate powers from those available to you on the same night

I have to use two separate powers. I'm shattered so will think of uses in the morning.

Left are

Rb, parrot, doc

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:32 pm Didn't ask adum I will now

Please do, if it doesn't... I hate to admit it but seven's plan may be just *gulp* better.

lmao you guys are killing me today

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:09 pm You cant be a liability in yeet or lose as long as you are always trying to solve and push for our win if town.

You are a liability if you selfvote and makes us waste a valuable yeet on yourself just as an attempt for your read to be more valued

No Mak is right. Town has lost a lot due to the wrong people getting to yeet or lose. And I don't think I am the right person.

If my rationale is ignored it's kind of hard to help solve. I literally just caught Thea lying about my claims then lying about why I had an issue with it and saying I was "upset". This is the same type of subtle manipulations that pinged me last Halloween, but I didn't take it seriously enough.

So far, one person has commented on it and nobody has taken it seriously.

There's no reasonable chance of it happening right now, and I think I may have read game state the wrong way for it anyway, but I think you're wrong on the value of making a sacrifice play.

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:50 am

Question, what's your sanity gonna be this night phase? N3 I mean.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:59 pm lmao you guys are killing me today

We're specifically not uwu

Bessie, I think you cop either Wam or Adum tonight. The first is useful for determining multiball, and the second is just flat-out hilarious.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:55 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:32 pm Didn't ask adum I will now

Please do, if it doesn't... I hate to admit it but seven's plan may be just *gulp* better.

Im dumb and forgot that the mafia factional NK is explicity excluded from being affected by my ability

It is silent on indy or other non-faction kill killing roles and the modes will not elaborate further for me

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:13 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:55 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:32 pm Didn't ask adum I will now

Please do, if it doesn't... I hate to admit it but seven's plan may be just *gulp* better.

Im dumb and forgot that the mafia factional NK is explicity excluded from being affected by my ability

It is silent on indy or other non-faction kill killing roles and the modes will not elaborate further for me

*Sigh* I really think the "we don't answer hypotheticals" rule really hurts the puzzle solving aspect.

So it's a risk. That said, unless it's an Indy team of some sort doing the killing I can't see them taking advantage of the double kill as an Indy. Even if we proclaim doom next game day, it still has more utility to try to fight it out.

So ya, I think based on that, I'm wrong and Seven's plan is better.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:57 am

*Ping*

Do you have anything to contribute?

On the you versus Thea thing, I've played with bessie long enough to think you being cagey about your role is not AI, but I can totally see Thea's point about wanting you to lay cards on the table at this stage in the game.

Town
Adum
Thea
Fred
bessie

Santy

Seven

wam
Mak
Scum

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:11 am On the you versus Thea thing, I've played with bessie long enough to think you being cagey about your role is not AI, but I can totally see Thea's point about wanting you to lay cards on the table at this stage in the game.

Town
Adum
Thea
Fred
bessie

Santy

Seven

wam
Mak
Scum

Why did Mak suddenly become your strongest scum read when you were parked on Wam all of D2?

I was "parked on wam" because he was the likelier of my votables to actually be elimed seeing as everyone else looked to have forgiven Mak for coming out guns blazing against Adum (hindsight may make that seem like a bigger deal). I have both Mak and wam at about a -1, and so equally votable.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:11 am On the you versus Thea thing, I've played with bessie long enough to think you being cagey about your role is not AI, but I can totally see Thea's point about wanting you to lay cards on the table at this stage in the game.

That was not in fact what me versus Thea was about.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:54 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:11 am On the you versus Thea thing, I've played with bessie long enough to think you being cagey about your role is not AI, but I can totally see Thea's point about wanting you to lay cards on the table at this stage in the game.

That was not in fact what me versus Thea was about.

It wasn't Thea asking you to be clearer about your role to help the solve versus you not feeling any further reveals would be useful?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:58 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:54 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:11 am On the you versus Thea thing, I've played with bessie long enough to think you being cagey about your role is not AI, but I can totally see Thea's point about wanting you to lay cards on the table at this stage in the game.

That was not in fact what me versus Thea was about.

It wasn't Thea asking you to be clearer about your role to help the solve versus you not feeling any further reveals would be useful?

No, that was over Thea misstating my claim and reacting in a shady way when corrected.

You're conflating it with other disagreements.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:05 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:58 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:54 am

That was not in fact what me versus Thea was about.

It wasn't Thea asking you to be clearer about your role to help the solve versus you not feeling any further reveals would be useful?

No, that was over Thea misstating my claim and reacting in a shady way when corrected.

You're conflating it with other disagreements.

I admit that's entirely possible. Tuesday's catch-up was not the most clear to me.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:53 am I was "parked on wam" because he was the likelier of my votables to actually be elimed seeing as everyone else looked to have forgiven Mak for coming out guns blazing against Adum (hindsight may make that seem like a bigger deal). I have both Mak and wam at about a -1, and so equally votable.

How come you don't think Mak's interpretation of his role & results account for him coming out guns blazing?

On a separate note, do you believe that bessie doesn't distance? You didn't refute my criticism of your read.

Daily bark!

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 am Also @bessie I didn't explain because that was the breadth and depth of my logic and analysis

I think I like this response, it’s something I would say. But seriously Fred, you should try to do some analysis. You can’t grow as a player if you don’t play.

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:48 am 3) publishing cop is the role, madge thought it's a separate role in the wiki but it's not as far as I can see.

This seems wrong to me. Like, Madge discussing a role or giving out this information to the person that doesn’t have the role. It seems like a breach of Mod duty that I wouldn’t expect her to make. And I know Sabrar wouldn’t.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:20 pm

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:50 am

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:33 am As much as I appreciate how amusing it can be to irritate Mak (sorry bro :p) I think it's useful to know in this scenario and would appreciate it.

Ok, yes it is compulsive, so I can’t withhold on the useless nights. That’s why I had to choose Adum, in case I wasn’t here to explain.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:12 am If anyone is claiming that they have clears or guilties on anyone now is the time to post your evidence and explain it to us all like we are 5

Unless my N1 result was somehow false or misdirected, Adum is town (not indie), because I get town or non-town.

Please explain precisely how you being a compulsive cop forced you to target adum not once, but twice in a row

Please explain preciselu why you are concluding that adum is town based on your N1 result when your public N1 result was that adum was "non-town"

I’ve already explained this so I’m taking this as further proof that you aren’t actually reading my content. You are just trying to distract me to keep me from pushing you on your connection with somitomi.

N1 I was insane, so my public result of “non-town” on Adam is the opposite of what it should be, which is “town”.
N2 I was paranoid and I was going to get a “non-town” result on anyone. Since I am compulsive, I had to pick someone. Since my investigation resolves before the kill, my result was going to be published whether or not I was night killed. Since I hadn’t claimed, people would probably assume the result was insane. I didn’t want to target scum and clear them, so I picked Adum again.

N3 I will be sane, so scum will have to roleblock me to stop my investigation, NK won’t work. What would stop me is if I’m yeeted. Interesting that you are pushing so hard for me to be eliminated today.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:38 pm Could you just vote me please? You'll learn a lot from my yeet, if I chicken out you'll know it was a self-pres Gambit and that I'm scum anyway, and if I do end up flipping scum you'll know I was trying to protect moody.

Adum will you quit talking about being yeeted? I have a town result on you so I can’t let that happen.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:48 pm

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:50 am

Question, what's your sanity gonna be this night phase? N3 I mean.

See above. Hmm, we’ll see what excuse Wam can come up with for roleblocking me.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:54 pm Bessie, I think you cop either Wam or Adum tonight. The first is useful for determining multiball, and the second is just flat-out hilarious.

I don’t think it would be that funny. But copping Wam might be interesting for you and I, and for Thea. Because if wam is scum, that would call his town result of Thea into question.


Thank you everyone for the more manageable post count today I might even get a chance to reread.

Pre-post edit, my mod-confirmed role is "Publishing Cop".

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:09 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:53 am I was "parked on wam" because he was the likelier of my votables to actually be elimed seeing as everyone else looked to have forgiven Mak for coming out guns blazing against Adum (hindsight may make that seem like a bigger deal). I have both Mak and wam at about a -1, and so equally votable.

How come you don't think Mak's interpretation of his role & results account for him coming out guns blazing?

I figure Mak's stance at the opening of D2 was because he saw Adum as non-town in the published(?) results and figured we had an easy yeet. His role as loudener(?) made it so everyone saw it instead of the PR who used the power.

On a separate note, do you believe that bessie doesn't distance? You didn't refute my criticism of your read.

Of course bessie can distance, it would be an insult to her prowess to say otherwise. She was likely doing that in Dancers with Madge to the extent their joint meta allows. The difference between distancing and bussing would seem to be a tactical vs philosophical line for her.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:18 am I figure Mak's stance at the opening of D2 was because he saw Adum as non-town in the published(?) results and figured we had an easy yeet. His role as loudener(?) made it so everyone saw it instead of the PR who used the power.

1)The PR still sees the results, as has been established.

2) If you scum read Mak for pushing Adum, why do you hypothesize that I am scum for stopping the elimination? Is it your view that whether a person defended or pushed Adum, it would make them scum in either case?

3) Why do you not believe it is feasible that town!Mak saw a no kill and not-town result and wanted to elim Adum before scum could suss out PR info?

Of course bessie can distance, it would be an insult to her prowess to say otherwise. She was likely doing that in Dancers with Madge to the extent their joint meta allows. The difference between distancing and bussing would seem to be a tactical vs philosophical line for her.

4) So then why are you town reading bessie for her not bussing? She didn't vote Somi here.

5) Are you paying less attention to this game than usual. And if so why?