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Actually that's kind of the framework for a disagreement. Just let me be SALTY in PEACE.

The Snide Sniper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:58 pm So I have hardly anything to go off of thus far, but this in particular stuck out to me:

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:33 am I'm active and I have some experience, so I can play decently as town, but my scum game is mostly non-existent.

Is anyone actually able to verify this? I think it might help in untangling the whole bessie/osie deal?

Osie and I have been scum together, and ive played against scum!Osie before.

Hes p capable of like, posting and keeping up momentum, and I think his tactical game should be pretty respectable as scum. But his towngame is sharper and has a lot more nuance.

xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:39 pm
Yoi asked me something but i forgot because i am slightly dizzy (i have flu early symptoms and I boiled some red wine with cinnamon and drank a big hot cup of wine)

Feel better soon (and don't have covid)

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:19 am Well I would like to see you post some analysis today, so how about expanding on a null read?

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My nullreads are like, sniper and heury. I don't really feel motivated to into them.

What is with "you want to see me post some analysis"? Literally all I've been doing is posting my takes on the game as it moves along lol

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:19 am

the worst wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:26 am

bessie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:00 pmInteresting that Osie asked about my comment on Madge’s confirmation post, but he was not the least bit curious as to why I FoS’d him in the same post , and gave no reasons. He has engaged with me, but not as to why I find him suspicious. Though he has prodded for information as to why I find Madge suspicious.

Could you expand a bit on why that struck you as alignment indicative

I don’t know that ignoring when someone FoSs you is totally alignment indicative, but I do feel it is suspicious. I am a proponent of that when you vote, you should give a reason, and I find it odd that someone would accept a out-of-nowhere FoS (not quite a vote) without wanting to know why. I felt at the time that Osie could be scum, and that he didn’t question me on my FoS because he didn’t necessarily want to discuss what I may have found scummy about him. So the suspicion I had for Osie at that time has since been magnified by his reaction

I kind of have a backwards opinion on this?; i think scum are p likely to feel jarred by being called out on being scum (reactionary guilty conscience mindset) where I think town are generally more motivated to just ignore stuff that doesn't really help them?

This is probably backwards for newer players who err towards the whole "how dare u scumread me" vibe but as soon as someone has enough experience playing scum, I think they're significantly more likely to 1) be drawn to react to someone calling them scum due to subconscious guilt + 2) see a way to try pick someone apart - scum looove feeling like they're right.


I guess I'm wondering if there's anything else to what you were getting at? I dont think we agree at all about the way osie is ramping up. I think he's gotten more and more perplexed without showing any real sign of guilt which I'd associste with a town mindset before a scum one :/

the worst wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:27 pm Osie softclaiming with all the softness of a bag of razors is the content I came here to see. <3

vote: madge
Wmu is also a great wagon choice.

the worst wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:37 pm Everything I have ever said is a pocketing attempt. I also endorse wagons which are not on me.

Just to be clear about these posts - they're half jokes. They're also both true.

Everyone is a great wagon early d1, even the most obvtown of all obvtown is a great wagon choice early d1. Wagons rise and fall and people react and so the game is played. WMU is also specifically a player who I am keen to see in the spotlight d1 because I think if she goes a few phases without being excited by the game she's a lot harder to read.

The second one was more of a joke. But still, wagons on me mean y'all expect me to defend myself and that's effort :(

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:50 am @The worst: why are you being intentionally disengaged? Do you plan to engage more in later game days?

It's not deliberate, I'm just not all that invested rn.
Some out of game stuff I won't elaborate on here.

good lawd
if someone gets through the osie wall I'd appreciate cliffnotes

I'm gonna politely suggest osie & bessie take a lil break from each other

what the fuck, i wrote a whole post at work today and it didn't post??? i thought it did. ffs

i am really drained and not up to writing a post and just COMPLETELY DISHEARTENED becaus i worked hard on it

tl;dr i trust boomfrog the most out of everyone

i m SO MAD

that said i am so ready to yeet osie so i don't have to read those long osts T_T

The worst I see you want to hide behind playstyle, noted.

What would be the dammage if you would answer? Would you be pocketed? Would you give scum possibility to be active for one question? Thinking that at game start scum are only 1/3 from players, the possibility that you receive questions from town is double than receive them from scum. You didn't have any read for me so why waste the opportunity to sort me somehow?
What is important is what the other player, me in this case, is doing with your answers. And you didn't give any answer.

Town has 2 important things to do. One is to show themselves towny and the other is to make reads to solve the game.
You didn't do any of these.

Do you have a different opinion on town play? Explain it to me.

madge wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:44 am that said i am so ready to yeet osie so i don't have to read those long osts T_T

No, we don't chop Osie because he writes too much

I know I was grumpy lol

Are topic reply noti not working?

Bed now. Sorry guys.

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Madge wrote:what the fuck, i wrote a whole post at work today and it didn't post??? i thought it did. ffs

As if D1 wasn't already bad enough for you.

Right now I've got bessie and BF as my definite towncore, and WMU provisionally so. Other than that, I'm trying to peer through mud.

Vote: osie

xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:04 pm The worst I see you want to hide behind playstyle, noted.

What would be the dammage if you would answer? Would you be pocketed? Would you give scum possibility to be active for one question? Thinking that at game start scum are only 1/3 from players, the possibility that you receive questions from town is double than receive them from scum. You didn't have any read for me so why waste the opportunity to sort me somehow?
What is important is what the other player, me in this case, is doing with your answers. And you didn't give any answer.

Town has 2 important things to do. One is to show themselves towny and the other is to make reads to solve the game.
You didn't do any of these.

Do you have a different opinion on town play? Explain it to me.

This is blatant posturing, lol. I'm not answering bad faith questions.

I find it hard to believe you actually have such a hard time seeing that other people play differently to you

all scum are in [Bessie, wmu, moody]. bet.

like its p clear who's leading this game and the entire conversation so far has been about playstyles and whatever bessie is pushing osie for. this isnt a town-lead gamestate.

I'm very much noting moody hedging until one side of osie vs. bessie until one side looks better than voting

ah what the hell
vote: moody7277 think this hits regardless of bessie's alignment.

the worst wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:30 pm

xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:04 pm The worst I see you want to hide behind playstyle, noted.

What would be the dammage if you would answer? Would you be pocketed? Would you give scum possibility to be active for one question? Thinking that at game start scum are only 1/3 from players, the possibility that you receive questions from town is double than receive them from scum. You didn't have any read for me so why waste the opportunity to sort me somehow?
What is important is what the other player, me in this case, is doing with your answers. And you didn't give any answer.

Town has 2 important things to do. One is to show themselves towny and the other is to make reads to solve the game.
You didn't do any of these.

Do you have a different opinion on town play? Explain it to me.

This is blatant posturing, lol. I'm not answering bad faith questions.

I find it hard to believe you actually have such a hard time seeing that other people play differently to you

Where on earth you see bad faith in the fact I asked you a question and in the fact i was showing how you avoided the answer?

I asked for your view over the game. You react like I ofended you.
Why don't you answer at any of my questions?

You know what? This is boring.

the worst wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:54 am

The Snide Sniper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:58 pm So I have hardly anything to go off of thus far, but this in particular stuck out to me:

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:33 am I'm active and I have some experience, so I can play decently as town, but my scum game is mostly non-existent.

Is anyone actually able to verify this? I think it might help in untangling the whole bessie/osie deal?

Osie and I have been scum together, and ive played against scum!Osie before.

Hes p capable of like, posting and keeping up momentum, and I think his tactical game should be pretty respectable as scum. But his towngame is sharper and has a lot more nuance.

Okay, with this and osie's posts in mind I think I'm leaning towards bessie being the scum but I still don't think there's really enough for a solid elim yet. Not without actual evidence from investigative roles.

Vote: no elim

unvote

i unvoted in my mythical Lost Post so let's maybe do that

also i found my topic reply notifications, i'd accidentally marked one spam!

The Snide Sniper wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:49 am Okay, with this and osie's posts in mind I think I'm leaning towards bessie being the scum but I still don't think there's really enough for a solid elim yet. Not without actual evidence from investigative roles.

Vote: no elim

I understand where you are coming from, it's tempting to rely on (mostly) reliable results from investigative roles. But even with the high power levels of this game, the game balance is set so that we will lose if we don't take calculated risks.

Also, there is an incredibly high amount of information to gain from looking at how people shape up for the serious votes. We will never figure out who is working together if we don't vote to eliminate people every game day.

You should vote for someone. Even just a random vote from a townie dilutes scum's ability to manipulate the vote. Trust your gut and vote. You learn more by doing.

the worst wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:32 pm all scum are in [Bessie, wmu, moody]. bet.

If you are town that's a pretty fair bet. But I'll take it. Everyone is always wrong D1.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:51 pm Right now I've got bessie and BF as my definite towncore, and WMU provisionally so. Other than that, I'm trying to peer through mud.

Vote: osie

Really? Please explain what the difference would be for Bessie if she was scum in this situation? And what is the scummy part of Osie's response?