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Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:41 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:22 pm I am not "upset", I am suspicious. You're better than this Thea and your scumslips when they do come are subtle manipulations.

The issues are:

1. That you presented your analysis of my role as my claim for the role.

You are intentionally trying to obfuscate your role. I don't understand why you are surprised when people come to conclusions about it. Yes, you didn't claim exactly what I said, but I "read between the lines" to fill in the gaps that you weren't willing to do.

This is the last I will say on the subject because I don't think this discussion is productive and is cluttering up the thread.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:50 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pmAdum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.

It's not a coincidence your rationale for copping me was basically "I had a town read on you, but scum Adum is terrifying, so the game's much easier if I cop you".

You are in lala theory land, you're working backwards to justify me being scum and you will kill us in yeet or lose.

So take my deal, after I flip yeet Wam, if Wam is scum yeet Fredd or Thea, otherwise or after move on to moody then Santy or Mak. Try to pair that elim list down with roles.

Oh and an admission I'm better than you :p. Unless I'm wrong about you and you're scum, in which case I'll admit you're better.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:52 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pm

Oh ya, and please ask Wam's question to verify if you haven't already. Thanks.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:01 pm**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:13 pm Votals:
moody - 4 - Seven., Thea., Fred., wam.
Makhaira - 2 - moody., bessie.
bessie - 1 - Makhaira.
Adum - 1 - Adum.
wam - 1 - Santygrass.

Not voting: nobody

9 players alive and 6 to hammer

I think the mods are mocking you @Seven.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:09 pm**

Lmao!

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:10 pm**

@Wam what would be your ordered read list?

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:13 pm**

Theallieza wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:41 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:22 pm I am not "upset", I am suspicious. You're better than this Thea and your scumslips when they do come are subtle manipulations.

The issues are:

1. That you presented your analysis of my role as my claim for the role.
You are intentionally trying to obfuscate your role. I don't understand why you are surprised when people come to conclusions about it. Yes, you didn't claim exactly what I said, but I "read between the lines" to fill in the gaps that you weren't willing to do.

This is the last I will say on the subject because I don't think this discussion is productive and is cluttering up the thread.

The fact that you're saying that I'm upset over people coming to conclusions over it just makes this worse.

All it would've taken is replacing "claim" with "I think". You could've said "pardon, I misunderstood" initially instead of repeatedly misstating my arguments and calling me "upset". Lying about what I'm saying is the issue, not speculation.

I could let this go from a less sophisticated player, but not you. Especially because I picked up similar in Halloween but didn't follow through.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:38 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:09 pm

Could you just vote me please? You'll learn a lot from my yeet, if I chicken out you'll know it was a self-pres Gambit and that I'm scum anyway, and if I do end up flipping scum you'll know I was trying to protect moody.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:39 am

Same to you Mak, if you think this is an ATE, call my bluff. And yes, I fully admit to being a selfish player in my own way, but what you said about yeet or lose coalitions so town doesn't blow it in the final stretch, I'm not part of that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:41 pm**

Lol Adum I’m not voting you today. This is also @Fred.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:51 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:50 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pmAdum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.
It's not a coincidence your rationale for copping me was basically "I had a town read on you, but scum Adum is terrifying, so the game's much easier if I cop you".

You are in lala theory land, you're working backwards to justify me being scum and you will kill us in yeet or lose.

So take my deal, after I flip yeet Wam, if Wam is scum yeet Fredd or Thea, otherwise or after move on to moody then Santy or Mak. Try to pair that elim list down with roles.

Oh and an admission I'm better than you :p. Unless I'm wrong about you and you're scum, in which case I'll admit you're better.

We are not yeeting you today . Please stop this tantrum .

You cant say you are better at town that someone while also playing in such a way against your team. If you are town, it doesnt matter if you are right or not, you are almost throwing playing this way.

I have been voting Wam all phase. Instead of just crying and pushing your own yeet so later we can yeet wam, just case and push Wam. If another slot is yeeted you can say I told you so and push Wam tomorrow, which is a thing you cant do if you are dead. Your town flip wont make your suspect more or less scum, because its just a read

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:58 pm**

Its infuriating seeing someone try to play this way. Its like the total opposite of trying to work together with the rest

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:02 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:10 pm @Wam what would be your ordered read list?

Town core
Thea - cop result
Fred - mason partner of cop result
Seven - don't see scum seven claiming there
Adum - enough results

In POE
Mak - think play is towny
Santy - nothing pinged for me but here based on poe
Bessie - explained earlier
Moody - explained earlier.

Ps I know I owe bessie answers will try and do before I fall asleep

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:51 pm

This is the most sensible post in the entire game.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:18 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:02 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:10 pm @Wam what would be your ordered read list?
In POE

Bessie - explained earlier

You scum slipped then, my friend:

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:30 pmI think your right for the wrong reasons again. I think as per above moody and somi are paired.

You wouldn't know I was right for the wrong reasons unless you knew bessie was town.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 pm**

@Santy: I want to eliminate non-Wam scum today because I want to use his loud abilities tonight. Additionally, if Adum is indeed 3P, then it may be that he is trying to off the JOATs.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:31 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:18 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:02 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:10 pm @Wam what would be your ordered read list?
In POE

Bessie - explained earlier
You scum slipped then, my friend:

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:30 pmI think your right for the wrong reasons again. I think as per above moody and somi are paired.
You wouldn't know I was right for the wrong reasons unless you knew bessie was town.

I don't know your wrong I think your wrong. And the bit your wrong about imo is not bessie. It's that your assuming multiball and I don't think we are in mulitball.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:34 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:18 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:02 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:10 pm @Wam what would be your ordered read list?
In POE

Bessie - explained earlier
You scum slipped then, my friend:

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:30 pmI think your right for the wrong reasons again. I think as per above moody and somi are paired.
You wouldn't know I was right for the wrong reasons unless you knew bessie was town.

Yeah hang on you have a logical failure in your posts.

I scum slipped because I know bessie is town but all your theories are based on multiball. So in a multiball scum wam scenario how do I know bessie is town?

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 pm @Santy: I want to eliminate non-Wam scum today because I want to use his loud abilities tonight. Additionally, if Adum is indeed 3P, then it may be that he is trying to off the JOATs.

What use do they have? Like, Mak does have them loud for today to confirm what they do but thats about it? You think it can be clearing or damning? Could only see it as damning in a few scenarios but thats about it?

Bessie role is far better to have one more night, specially if town (which I think they are). Moody aswell since it can give us a sort of check on someone . So its like if town they guve us useful mech info, or have to make some read compromise as scum and lying idk. And moody im like at 90% that even if scum they didnt kill JC

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:53 pm**

My last very weird theory is that there is a world where Adum and Wam are paired as scum, with Adum having a sort of passive observer of every role that acted on them, providing the fakeclaim to Wam.

But like, I still strongly townread Adum and Im only doing this trying to make sense of why Adum is just not collaborating and hurting town this much with how they are playing smh smh. And like, the simple answer is thats Adum's ego in play or something, but its where my mind goes when thinking "okay what If Adum isnt playing badly what would be the rationale to play this way"

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:57 pm**

Maybe JC dies because they acted on someone?? Even from an indy pov its hard to imagine why they targeted JC in specific. My safety measure has been "ignore it, assume something weird happens with the mafia factional and see the answer post-game"

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:58 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 pm @Santy: I want to eliminate non-Wam scum today because I want to use his loud abilities tonight. Additionally, if Adum is indeed 3P, then it may be that he is trying to off the JOATs.
What use do they have? Like, Mak does have them loud for today to confirm what they do but thats about it? You think it can be clearing or damning? Could only see it as damning in a few scenarios but thats about it?

Bessie role is far better to have one more night, specially if town (which I think they are). Moody aswell since it can give us a sort of check on someone . So its like if town they guve us useful mech info, or have to make some read compromise as scum and lying idk. And moody im like at 90% that even if scum they didnt kill JC

He has a parrot, roleblock, and doc. It’s not about clearing him, it’s about using his abilities.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:00 pm**

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:51 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:50 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pmAdum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.
It's not a coincidence your rationale for copping me was basically "I had a town read on you, but scum Adum is terrifying, so the game's much easier if I cop you".

You are in lala theory land, you're working backwards to justify me being scum and you will kill us in yeet or lose.

So take my deal, after I flip yeet Wam, if Wam is scum yeet Fredd or Thea, otherwise or after move on to moody then Santy or Mak. Try to pair that elim list down with roles.

Oh and an admission I'm better than you :p. Unless I'm wrong about you and you're scum, in which case I'll admit you're better.
We are not yeeting you today . Please stop this tantrum .

You cant say you are better at town that someone while also playing in such a way against your team. If you are town, it doesnt matter if you are right or not, you are almost throwing playing this way.

I have been voting Wam all phase. Instead of just crying and pushing your own yeet so later we can yeet wam, just case and push Wam. If another slot is yeeted you can say I told you so and push Wam tomorrow, which is a thing you cant do if you are dead. Your town flip wont make your suspect more or less scum, because its just a read

I was being specific to reads and was also (mostly) kidding. But I'm firmly of the opinion that as of right now I'm a liability in yeet or lose and whoever's killing has every incentive to set up the scenario. So it's best I be resolved early.

I do this either due to wonky mechanics, when I think I'm gonna be a yeet or lose liability, or when I'm trying to make a specific exchange I don't think I can get otherwise.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:05 pm**

But whatever

unvote

I'll slide in as a spiritual vote on moody because the play I'm trying to make just clearly isn't happening and we aren't killing Wam clearly either.

Which really just shows how much of a Cassandra I am.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:06 pm**

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:34 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:18 pm
Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:02 pm
In POE

Bessie - explained earlier
You scum slipped then, my friend:

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:30 pmI think your right for the wrong reasons again. I think as per above moody and somi are paired.
You wouldn't know I was right for the wrong reasons unless you knew bessie was town.
Yeah hang on you have a logical failure in your posts.

I scum slipped because I know bessie is town but all your theories are based on multiball. So in a multiball scum wam scenario how do I know bessie is town?

It doesn’t require multi-ball, but it doesn’t exclude it either. You said you think I’m right for the wrong reasons again, which means you thought I was right for the wrong reasons the first time (i.e. that somi was mafia because he knew bessie’s role). You would only think my reasoning is wrong if you thought bessie is town. You have Mak in the PoE too which is even more damming because my alternative theory was somi-mak. You wouldn’t know my reason was wrong without knowing their alignments.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:07 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:58 pm
Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 pm
Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:19 pm @Santy: I want to eliminate non-Wam scum today because I want to use his loud abilities tonight. Additionally, if Adum is indeed 3P, then it may be that he is trying to off the JOATs.
What use do they have? Like, Mak does have them loud for today to confirm what they do but thats about it? You think it can be clearing or damning? Could only see it as damning in a few scenarios but thats about it?

Bessie role is far better to have one more night, specially if town (which I think they are). Moody aswell since it can give us a sort of check on someone . So its like if town they guve us useful mech info, or have to make some read compromise as scum and lying idk. And moody im like at 90% that even if scum they didnt kill JC
He has a parrot, roleblock, and doc. It’s not about clearing him, it’s about using his abilities.

What use does their abilities have if they are scum?

And can you see my point that if assuming town then bessie or moody abilities have much more benefit than those?

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:09 pm**

You cant be a liability in yeet or lose as long as you are always trying to solve and push for our win if town.

You are a liability if you selfvote and makes us waste a valuable yeet on yourself just as an attempt for your read to be more valued

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