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Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:39 am**

Agree to disagree dawg but all your reactions this game have been outsized and you're picking weird fights over nothingburgers with strong towncore candidates which makes me think you're less focused on solving and more focused on something unique to your POV which feels informed or otherwise motivated by a wincon related idiosyncracy. you should be building a town core here but you're not really you have a very hedgehoggish disposition this game

Im perhaps being imprecise with AtE but my point is more you seem to care more about your individual slot's position in the game more than advancing the ball for town in a more democratic sense

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:50 am**

Thank you for the suggestions for Hoku, I will definitely be trying them! I ordered his vegetarian kibble which will be delivered before breakfast time tomorrow (Amazon had a 4-8 am option) and I scraped together some rice and vegetables for his dinner tonight.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:31 pm On the role thing, bessie can just ask.

I’m lost what can I ask?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:33 am While that's fair, I will note that while I think we have a bit of a difference of opinion on what that consistutes and the implications, I am of the understanding that Sabrar and I share a view that mafia games are ultimately a puzzle, and understanding the rules are a big part of what makes puzzles interesting.

Hmm, I will think about this, but my current thought is that “publishing cop” is the role, and the rest is a modifier, like “loud” is a modifier. And I think you are totally right about Sabrar.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:33 am As much as I appreciate how amusing it can be to irritate Mak (sorry bro :p) I think it's useful to know in this scenario and would appreciate it.

Ok, yes it is compulsive, so I can’t withhold on the useless nights. That’s why I had to choose Adum, in case I wasn’t here to explain.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:12 am If anyone is claiming that they have clears or guilties on anyone now is the time to post your evidence and explain it to us all like we are 5

Unless my N1 result was somehow false or misdirected, Adum is town (not indie), because I get town or non-town.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:12 am If anyone has a theory that they think proves someone lied about a night action, claimed power, result, etc now is the time to explain it to us all like we are 5

I haven’t had time for a reread after somi’s flip but I will work on this tomorrow.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:53 am**

@bessie whether the "Publisher Cop" is your role name or if "Cop" is your role name and "Publisher" is a modifier.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:53 am**

Ask the mods I mean.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:11 am**

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:39 am Agree to disagree dawg but all your reactions this game have been outsized and you're picking weird fights over nothingburgers with strong towncore candidates which makes me think you're less focused on solving and more focused on something unique to your POV which feels informed or otherwise motivated by a wincon related idiosyncracy. you should be building a town core here but you're not really you have a very hedgehoggish disposition this game

Im perhaps being imprecise with AtE but my point is more you seem to care more about your individual slot's position in the game more than advancing the ball for town in a more democratic sense

Nah, I have strong Cassandra tendencies, the arguments people have come up against me aren't really falsifiable and coming from people I don't think are scum (at at least didn't, for Thea, but that exchange has me doubting).

If I wait until the Yeet wagon is at my door or alternatively it's yeet or lose and my picks and thoughts have been ignored (in spite of people talking about how much they respect my abilities) then I have nothing to bargain with anymore. The fact that you're calling it nothingburgers just further points out why I'd want to play it this way, I know I'm not articulate at nuanced points.

So, I'll bargain.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:21 am**

Ok, that's fair, I'd appreciate you asking Bessie, even though I genuinely don't understand how it's possible to interpret it as part of the role name rather than a modifier on the role.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:27 am**

Well, technically the entire thing is the role name but what part is the "core" role's name that a role observe would see and what part is ancillary modifiers.

Tbh, I feel that this type of talk is exactly why answering hypothetical are a good thing from a puzzle aspect.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:33 am**

Anyways, if it comes down to moody or Wam, my choice is and continues to be Wam.

I'm kind of in a POE spot for moody because the only significant thing that pinged me is his response to Mak which seemed legit but it could've just been "you're another scum faction/Indy" reaction. Their rationale for Bessie, as pointed out before is bad but also doesn't seem out of character for moody who literally short circuited on their Bessie read last Halloween.

I've already thoroughly explained how I'm willing to bargain with my life.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:47 am**

Adum, at this point, nobody else is voting for you. I believe it would be helpful to put your vote on someone else.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:48 am**

Also @bessie I didn't explain because that was the breadth and depth of my logic and analysis

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:48 am**

So I reached out to the mods. Answer from madge

1) roles doen as (modifier)(role) i get the role section of the results. seven already went this way showing their mindmeld.

2) JC was (loud) (joat) cop is (modifier) (publishing cop).

3) publishing cop is the role, madge thought it's a separate role in the wiki but it's not as far as I can see.

4) players with the same power (seven) can ask hypotheticals and will get the answer. So Seven can you please ask what your watcher power would get for JCs role.

Hope that clears it up.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:03 pm**

Unvote

Vote: Moody

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pm**

Adum is a bulletproof* godfather. He and moody are on one team. Wam and somi are on the other. He’s possibly lying about the bulletproof and there simply wasn’t a kill N1. This explains why Wam was simultaneously watching the “kill” target. It’s possible Santy is in this somewhere since he has pretty much hard core been defending scum all game. No offense if you’re town Santy, but it’s been rather extreme at this point.

Adum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:39 pm**

Seven, I've been trying really hard to get Thea off of Adum, and I don't have the beans to try with you. Let's see how Moody flips before going off half-cocked.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:25 pm**

Apologies, I have been sorta skimming so not really up to date or focused on what has been talked much (will have to reread later.

Strongarm modifier goes through both roleblocks and protection usually? I have been thinking that if moody scum and carried the kill with strongarm (ignoring Seven roleblock) , then JC is again an almost never target of a strongarm kill? But maybe Im wrong on how it interacts with protections

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:27 pm**

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pm Adum is a bulletproof* godfather. He and moody are on one team. Wam and somi are on the other. He’s possibly lying about the bulletproof and there simply wasn’t a kill N1. This explains why Wam was simultaneously watching the “kill” target. It’s possible Santy is in this somewhere since he has pretty much hard core been defending scum all game. No offense if you’re town Santy, but it’s been rather extreme at this point.

Adum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.

I mean, look at the slotsbalive and im shielding and is pretty much almost everyone except Wam (and I shielded them somewhat D1 haha). PoE is just that tight to me rn

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:30 pm**

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moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 12:17 am somi is the international man of mystery as usual

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:16 pm
somi-- asks Santy about multiball, concurs with Seven on wincon phrasing, asks Thea about post restriction, distrust of Seven (and so it begins), likes Adum. +1

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:26 am This is sort of stream of consciousness.

somitomi wrote:It's also a good excuse to be kinda crypticly vague all the time
I take it that means that unlike Santy, you think it is indicative?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:17 pm somi

D1
post 1: early game stuff and asks Santy about multiball
post 2: concurs with wording of town wincon, asks Thea about her self-restriction
post 3: response to Seven's flavor/setup spec
post 4: response about Fred's pfp, based on previous indication it is significant
post 5: Thea's method makes interpretation difficult
post 6: disagrees with Bessie about changing pfp, defers to wam about answer to worst's fearing Bessie
post 7: response to Santy's discussion of analyzing Fred's pfp
post 8: poking worst about fear of Bessie
post 9: Thea could be hiding behind restriction, votes Fred, repeats question to worst about Bessie
post 10: RL stuff
post 11: switches vote to worst
post 12: answers Mak about voting worst
post 13: answer to JC about reasoning on Fred's pfp
post 14: votals, reply to worst saying it was a joke

Took a few posts to get going, most direct interaction was with worst re fear of Bessie.

D2
post 15: no claim or chat
post 16: surprised Bessie has so many FoSes, asks Seven about not including (at the time) implicated Adum
post 17: RL stuff
post 18: Thea channeling BF, roll with it, on board with result on Adum, likes reply from Seven about result, town reads Mak

Still not seeing much deep probing, but that may be a style thing. Final grade +0.5

Only one of these moody didn't put in a spoiler tag...

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:29 pm Right now I have Mak and wam as votables. Would feel more comfortable about somi if he put up a T>S list.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:57 pm
Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:46 pm @moody, since you are here, why do you prefer Wam over somi?
wam I had as slightly scummy due to his thinking the beef between bessie and Seven end of D1 was TvS and scumreading bessie due to it. Their fights have become so classic, they're NAI at this point, and I think wam was trying to get rid of an influential player. Also thinking his questioning activity early on might have been demonstrative as per someone's theory about it.

somi's been more neutral to me, nothing particular sticks out as scummy enough to prefer him over wam or definitely Mak, or even JC really.

So above is all the times moody mentioned somi. Feels about the same as he's mentioned most other people. But moody has been very uncomittal about somi and alignment the whole way through.

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somitomi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:48 pm medium speed post
moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:07 am The whole self-imposed post restriction is attention grabbing, which I would think is contra-indicated for scum. Gun to my head, I'd say it's Thea's positive reaction to bessie's reads list. Then again, +0.5 is the least possible town lean in my system.
It's also a good excuse to be kinda crypticly vague all the time?

somitomi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 pm
bessie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:59 am
somitomi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:47 pm I mean, yeah, I know this is pizazz and everything but at that point I haven't seen anything to cast doubt on that loud result. As we now know, Seven was speficially trying to allude to the conflicting result he apparently has, but I didn't pick up on that. I'm not good with crumbs.
Then why didn’t you vote for Adum!?
Because I didn't want to be the idiot who accidentally quickhammers before everyone had a chance to chime in.
bessie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:59 am
somitomi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:47 pmFinally, I was just about to ask you why the loud result is more likely to have been tampered with than yours.

Nonetheless, I do have the feeling Adum's reaction is more likely to come from town than scum, but I'm not at all certain if that makes you town as well.
Interesting! Please explain how you accept Adum as town, but not Seven for derailing Adum’s elimination!
When it comes to Seven I can't entirely silence the suspicious bastard in me wondering if he did this for the everlasting town-cred.
Makhaira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:32 pm See moody thinking I'm a play here is crazy to me adum like you have to be kidding me like how can a townie think this
Why not vote moody then?

A glimpse into the enigmaticidiotic workings of the somi mind follows, please keep your hands inside the vehicle.

town core in no particular order
- Adum, Mak (tone as discussed already)
- Fred, Thea (I'd probably scumread Fred in isolation, but I don't think there's a way mafia!Thea would do something as audacious and risky as claiming masons D1)
high-probability town
- Seven (clearing Adum)
scares me
- Santy (super open posting that's hella townie to me, but from what I recall they did just about the same as my replacement, so I have all the paranoia)
PoE
- JC
- moody
- wam
- bessie
Yeah, look at me calling all these kettles black, but the PoE group didn't leave much of an impression on me so the differences are rather marginal. JC feels a little more townish than the rest but I can't justify this vague impression. I'll go back to reread these people a bit, but for the moment it seems like picking any would likely hit scum and we're one NK ahead so the order isn't critical.
...
Yes, I hear the little alarm bell saying some kind of nuke will go off N2 to completely turn me on my head.

These are the only mention or interactions with moody, somi made all game or at least the only ones i found. This strikes me as a suspiciously low amount of interaction especially compared to moodys the other way and how somi has interacted with everyone else.

vote moody

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 pm Adum is a bulletproof* godfather. He and moody are on one team. Wam and somi are on the other. He’s possibly lying about the bulletproof and there simply wasn’t a kill N1. This explains why Wam was simultaneously watching the “kill” target. It’s possible Santy is in this somewhere since he has pretty much hard core been defending scum all game. No offense if you’re town Santy, but it’s been rather extreme at this point.

Adum, the reason why Thea and I are trying to figure out the different ways you can be scum isn’t that we are in lala theorycrafting land, it’s that you’re really just quite suspicious, and it doesn’t line up with the “town” result. I’ll case in full all the things I find suspicious later.

I think your right for the wrong reasons again. I think as per above moody and somi are paired.

Ps this was written in stages so usual grammar error apologies.

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:31 pm**

E-2 if I'm right.

votals please

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:13 pm**

Votals:
moody - 4 - Seven., Thea., Fred., wam.
Makhaira - 2 - moody., bessie.
bessie - 1 - Makhaira.
Adum - 1 - Adum.
wam - 1 - Santygrass.

Not voting: nobody

9 players alive and 6 to hammer

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:20 pm**

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:50 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:33 am As much as I appreciate how amusing it can be to irritate Mak (sorry bro :p) I think it's useful to know in this scenario and would appreciate it.
Ok, yes it is compulsive, so I can’t withhold on the useless nights. That’s why I had to choose Adum, in case I wasn’t here to explain.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:12 am If anyone is claiming that they have clears or guilties on anyone now is the time to post your evidence and explain it to us all like we are 5
Unless my N1 result was somehow false or misdirected, Adum is town (not indie), because I get town or non-town.

Please explain precisely how you being a compulsive cop forced you to target adum not once, but twice in a row

Please explain preciselu why you are concluding that adum is town based on your N1 result when your public N1 result was that adum was "non-town"

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:21 pm**

Vote: Moody

E-1, please don't hammer until bessie answers my above two questions

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:24 pm**

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:21 pm Vote: Moody

E-1, please don't hammer until bessie answers my above two questions

If you dont want hammer to happen then maybe unvote and vote back later when they reply

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:25 pm**

I will be very angry if a hammer happens , there's still things I want to do

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:30 pm**

unvote

To prevent hammer

Posted: **Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:30 pm**

Ty , I appreciate it

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