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JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:48 am Why do you think she's not?

I have better reasons to clear other people (Wam , Seven, Thea, Fred) , and their play today isnt clearing to me, reads being stale and directed at who I think are two towns. From Wam case I dont think I saw something tonally obvtown aswell so yeh.
If you have important insights in regards to bessie now is your time to slap some sense into thread

No important insights, I just see you avoiding actually putting down a vote on her. Wagons were between her and Seven, but instead of putting your vote on who you felt was sunnier between the two you took me up to create a counter wagon.

I know I'm town and when Bessie flips town, which I feel she will, people are going to look at who voted for her.

You can't all be on that wagon and Seven wasn’t an option for you.

EBWOP...

scummier, not sunnier. Stupid swipe

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:00 am No important insights, I just see you avoiding actually putting down a vote on her. Wagons were between her and Seven, but instead of putting your vote on who you felt was sunnier between the two you took me up to create a counter wagon.

I know I'm town and when Bessie flips town, which I feel she will, people are going to look at who voted for her.

You can't all be on that wagon and Seven wasn’t an option for you.

I mean you can also be a wagon, only 1 vote difference between you and Seven lol.
Putting my vote on bessie did kinda nothing. I think day is far more ineresting with you and bessie as competing wagons (or bessie and moody, but my vote alone on moody wasnt going to do much)

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:00 am No important insights, I just see you avoiding actually putting down a vote on her. Wagons were between her and Seven, but instead of putting your vote on who you felt was sunnier between the two you took me up to create a counter wagon.

I know I'm town and when Bessie flips town, which I feel she will, people are going to look at who voted for her.

You can't all be on that wagon and Seven wasn’t an option for you.

And yet you still dance around this smh, you never explain your reads, rather you are stuck up in a view of the game.

Voting yourself from your perspective is advocating for a sure town flip, whereas bessie is a "you feel" they will flip town. To vote yourself first I dont get it if you dont have a good reason to call bessie town here

ugh I don't have the time or the spoons to do a proper read/analysis which sucks because it's EoD and I kinda need to

Hopefully Mak will have a take I can agree with

I think moody/somi are the PoE I'm most comfy with, I'm so uncomfortable about the bessie wagon starting because Seven claimed a result they didn't have and then everyone's still going along with it? Like aren't we meant to update based on new information?

But like - just because it's irrational doesn't mean it's wrong. I get the idea of testing the team based on that post Somi made back in the day. I guess I'm confused about what that means for us if we get it wrong vs right.

If we get it wrong we end up in MELo, but then we're basically guaranteed to hit the others.

what do we learn from each?

Santy flips town: says nothing about moody/JC's alignment
Santy flips scum: the comment clears Moody/JC at least as well as any documented townslips do

JC/moody flips town: says nothing about santy's alignment
JC/moody flips scum: makes santy more likely to be town

bessie flips town: Seven was lying about having a result (we knew this)
bessie flips scum: Seven is a great mafia player (we knew this)

like - am I missing something? bessie seems like the most useless flip of all of them.

what are the proposed teams? santy/JC/moody and then one with bessie and/or Fred - who is bessie's scumteam in this?

for me our priority should be on the most likely scummer as I think all this team guessing is navel gazing, once we yeet scum we can find connections, wagons etc and that'll be something

A vote for bessie at this point would put her at L-1, and I would think we'd save that for closer to time (I know Madge, "The horror, the horror").

Also, it's not Seven's "result" that a lot of this is based on, it's wam's.

yeah, but wam doesn't say anything about bessie. the clears keep the towncore towncored, but bessie is just as outside the towncore as anyone? i'm wondering why she seems to be the default instead of santy/jc/moody who are equally outside the towncore, just without Seven's finger of death

(turns out 15 of the 17 documents weren't relevant to me so i just need to get a checklist and go through a couple of drawings, so i'm not in panic mode anymore, which is great, it's like the whole universe is conspiring against me to have no reason not to be at this damn deadline. i'm gonna go get a hot chocolate)

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:11 am
I think moody/somi are the PoE I'm most comfy with, I'm so uncomfortable about the bessie wagon starting because Seven claimed a result they didn't have and then everyone's still going along with it? Like aren't we meant to update based on new information?

Can you elaborate on this? Why me/moody are comfy in PoE? And not bessie/Jc/Fred ? (Asking for the people not cop checked or cop since I think you are weighing that the most from your reads iirc)

moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:18 am A vote for bessie at this point would put her at L-1, and I would think we'd save that for closer to time (I know Madge, "The horror, the horror").

Also, it's not Seven's "result" that a lot of this is based on, it's wam's.

Can I take this as that your vote is spiritually on bessie then?
Just want to confirm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:24 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:18 am A vote for bessie at this point would put her at L-1, and I would think we'd save that for closer to time (I know Madge, "The horror, the horror").

Also, it's not Seven's "result" that a lot of this is based on, it's wam's.

Can I take this as that your vote is spiritually on bessie then?
Just want to confirm

Spiritually until about EOD minus thirty minutes or so.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:09 am

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:00 am No important insights, I just see you avoiding actually putting down a vote on her. Wagons were between her and Seven, but instead of putting your vote on who you felt was sunnier between the two you took me up to create a counter wagon.

I know I'm town and when Bessie flips town, which I feel she will, people are going to look at who voted for her.

You can't all be on that wagon and Seven wasn’t an option for you.

And yet you still dance around this smh, you never explain your reads, rather you are stuck up in a view of the game.

Voting yourself from your perspective is advocating for a sure town flip, whereas bessie is a "you feel" they will flip town. To vote yourself first I dont get it if you dont have a good reason to call bessie town here

It's a pretty strong feeling.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:22 am

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:11 am
I think moody/somi are the PoE I'm most comfy with, I'm so uncomfortable about the bessie wagon starting because Seven claimed a result they didn't have and then everyone's still going along with it? Like aren't we meant to update based on new information?

Can you elaborate on this? Why me/moody are comfy in PoE? And not bessie/Jc/Fred ? (Asking for the people not cop checked or cop since I think you are weighing that the most from your reads iirc)

honestly it's mostly because you and moody were alts to a town wagon and that's kinda objective even if it sucks. bessie i normally townread no matter what she does and then putting her in the scum box thanks to the fake result has made me just NOPE everything. fred i think is just playing like newbie town and couldn't fake that as scum. JC is also pretty comfy but i don't think scum would self-vote like that (i know scum does and has)

so my pyramid is like that

thea (cop stuff + WIFOM reasons)
wam/seven (cop stuff)
Fred (vibes, but confident vibes)

[giant gap]

bessie (??????????????? could literally be anywhere in the list)
JC (vibes)
moody (general scummy behaviour throughout, alt on town wagon) = santy (past day's vote - alt on town wagon)

like i said we have 3 or 4 scum (3 seems most likely) and with 4 people in my scum pool i'm good with whatever.

ah, now i understand after writing up my pyramid.

santy if scum isn't on a team with JC and moody (based on that one post), therefore bessie would have to be scum.

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:48 am ah, now i understand after writing up my pyramid.

santy if scum isn't on a team with JC and moody (based on that one post), therefore bessie would have to be scum.

The answer is that Im not scum at all :hmmyes:

Santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:55 am

madge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:48 am ah, now i understand after writing up my pyramid.

santy if scum isn't on a team with JC and moody (based on that one post), therefore bessie would have to be scum.

The answer is that Im not scum at all :hmmyes:

Then it has to be me, Moody, and Bessie. Well now I just feel silly.

Madge, can I get a response from you re: taking an actual stance?

I was literally just about to post asking moody if he and i should just hammer bessie and get this over with

Ok awesome

So, me tomorrow then?

I'm going to request that you not hammer until 15 to deadline. I have a post scheduled for 30 to deadline that merits discussion.

You what?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:10 am I'm going to request that you not hammer until 15 to deadline. I have a post scheduled for 30 to deadline that merits discussion.

Is there a reason on why you cant post it now?

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:10 am I'm going to request that you not hammer until 15 to deadline. I have a post scheduled for 30 to deadline that merits discussion.

What exactly is fixing your schedule for posting?

I don't know how to unschedule it