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Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:08 am
by bessie
If we eliminate outside of my elim pool (Seven), I would prefer Gluelock or somitomi.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:18 am
by JC_DADDY25
AdumbroDeus wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:01 am System.out.println("

Vote: JC

");
Bad vote, my lunch takes you where you're trying to avoid.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:22 am
by JC_DADDY25
I'm under no obligation to out my role, and never said I would. Honestly, it really takes the fun out of the game, so if that's what yall wanna do go ahead and vote me out now.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:23 am
by JC_DADDY25
Here, I'll help.

vote: JC

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:26 am
by Seven
Vote: JC

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:32 am
by JC_DADDY25
unvote

Vote: Seven

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:40 am
by Seven
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:23 am Here, I'll help.

vote: JC
Didn’t hold very long :lol:

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:43 am
by AdumbroDeus
System.out.println("

I'm not sure if this is wine, noobscum extreme defensiveness, or they're just genuinely an unpleasant person to play around.");

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:43 am
by JC_DADDY25
I don't trust your partner

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:44 am
by JC_DADDY25
AdumbroDeus wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:43 am System.out.println("

I'm not sure if this is wine, noobscum extreme defensiveness, or they're just genuinely an unpleasant person to play around.");
The last one, for sure.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:45 am
by JC_DADDY25
You're planning to make the game boring, sorry if I'm not looking forward to that.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:46 am
by Seven
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:45 am You're planning to make the game boring, sorry if I'm not looking forward to that.
you just came from a mountainous game :lol:

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:47 am
by Seven
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:43 am I don't trust your partner
Why does that matter if your goal is to be elimmed

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 am
by moody7277
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:45 am You're planning to make the game boring, sorry if I'm not looking forward to that.
You're assuming everyone is going to be truthful about their claim. We still have to figure out if any powers they claim make sense, whether they were used in a way consistent with their reads at the time, and of course there is the possibility of duplicate claims. So see, still loads of fun ahead.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 am
by bessie
@Seven Why George? Why not Boom?

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 am
by AdumbroDeus
System.out.println("
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:22 am I'm under no obligation to out my role, and never said I would. Honestly, it really takes the fun out of the game, so if that's what yall wanna do go ahead and vote me out now.
If you're town, your role exists to help other townies puzzle out whose scum. That's what the game is about and a good mod makes the game with that in mind. They're not a replacement for the social aspect, they work with it. As a result, town needs to be able to enforce mass claims happening.

It you genuinely refuse to ever claim then you're incapable of playing to your wincon outside of vanilla games and should just play vanilla games.

");

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:49 am
by JC_DADDY25
Yes, but I joined a mountainous game. It didn't end up like that because people were getting lazy.

Not to mention, you're looking forward to it too much and I don't think you're town.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:51 am
by AdumbroDeus
system.out.println("

Moody said it better than I did, the puzzle aspect (and for scum trying to manipulate that puzzle in their favor) enhances the social aspect.

Part of why I much prefer PR games over vanilla.

");

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:52 am
by JC_DADDY25
AdumbroDeus wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 am System.out.println("
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:22 am I'm under no obligation to out my role, and never said I would. Honestly, it really takes the fun out of the game, so if that's what yall wanna do go ahead and vote me out now.
If you're town, your role exists to help other townies puzzle out whose scum. That's what the game is about and a good mod makes the game with that in mind. They're not a replacement for the social aspect, they work with it. As a result, town needs to be able to enforce mass claims happening.

It you genuinely refuse to ever claim then you're incapable of playing to your wincon outside of vanilla games and should just play vanilla games.

");
So you're saying Bessie should stick to vanilla games?

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 am
by JC_DADDY25
I'm more than capable of paying to my Wincom, you do it the way you want and I'll do it the way I want.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 am
by AdumbroDeus
System.out.println("
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:52 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 am System.out.println("
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:22 am I'm under no obligation to out my role, and never said I would. Honestly, it really takes the fun out of the game, so if that's what yall wanna do go ahead and vote me out now.
If you're town, your role exists to help other townies puzzle out whose scum. That's what the game is about and a good mod makes the game with that in mind. They're not a replacement for the social aspect, they work with it. As a result, town needs to be able to enforce mass claims happening.

It you genuinely refuse to ever claim then you're incapable of playing to your wincon outside of vanilla games and should just play vanilla games.

");
So you're saying Bessie should stick to vanilla games?
if Bessie was genuinely unwilling to ever claim, my answer would be yes. 100%

Bessie showed she was willing to find a compromise way to claim her roles and results in sorcerer's mafia, because it was necessary to fulfill her wincon in spite of preferring to play like you.

I greatly respect her for that.

(For clarity, this is only my second game with Bessie or on this forum period.");

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 am
by bessie
I love the puzzle aspect of the game when there are lots of power roles. But I'm also against early claiming because I think it takes some of the fun out of the game.

I am against townies claiming to avoid the elim because I believe that if a townie is scummy enough to be voted off, then maybe the best thing that person can do to help town is to let themselves be eliminated so that town's efforts can be freed to hunt scum.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:58 am
by JC_DADDY25
bessie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 am I love the puzzle aspect of the game when there are lots of power roles. But I'm also against early claiming because I think it takes some of the fun out of the game.

I am against townies claiming to avoid the elim because I believe that if a townie is scummy enough to be voted off, then maybe the best thing that person can do to help town is to let themselves be eliminated so that town's efforts can be freed to hunt scum.
I agree with this.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 am
by Gluelock
bessie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:22 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:12 am
Seven wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:00 am There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around
It wasn't, and I'm surprised you're blowing it off the way you are.
Yes interesting how Seven is answering for/defending Gluelock. Its like when he hijacked my question to somitomi.

Providing their own recollection of the event is hardly defending or hijacking. I think its interesting that one of your first posts is addressing this rather than the bigger conversation about mass claiming. JC's contribution to the exchange feels paired but they're not both town.

Re: HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 am
by Gluelock
moody7277 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:29 am
bessie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:22 am I saw it after I posted and I thought it was a response to something I said and it wasn't clear, but I guess it was in response to you?
That's what I was figuring; Seven even fake taking Gluelock seriously says they don't even take their own claim seriously. I'm not totally expecting BF level gambits, but to push it off as "jj" seems trite. At this point, counterclaims are one of the main tools we're judging alignment with.
Yeah so are we agreeing to the mass claim order put forth or no? A silly, easily disproved counterclaim shouldn't be taken this seriously. its not a good look.