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Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 6:44 am**

Well I targeted Mak and was going to hope he turned out to be a liar, and considered Santy as likely busser for Wam. Never mind on that though.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:01 am**

I don't have a night result that provides an immediate solution. Do people want me to claim right now, or do we wait for others, e.g. heury. Also do we suppose that the malevolence mafia is entirely gone?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:23 am**

I knew early D2 I wanted to full claim beginning of D3. Sabrar, wanna take a guess why I type up my next post? I'm fairly certain you know. I see no evidence of a second mafia team at this point.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:28 am**

My guesses were pretty wrong this whole game. I assume you're going to claim Vig and having been redirected N1?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:38 am**

Yeah, I don't know why you would think I know.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:43 am**

What?

I could have sworn they'd buy it.

Did someone look at me, and see someone so ineffectual, so insignificant, that they could end me without catching the eye of a greater god?

A greater god than Maotelus himself?

Time will tell, I suppose...

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:46 am**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:38 am Yeah, I don't know why you would think I know.

It was stated that Therions are the devourers and then I claimed being Therion.

I am Velvet the Devourer (Death Masoning Vigilante). I targeted bessie N1 and Madge N2.

The only result Bessie got last night was being targeted by myself. She is aligned with the Shepard and not the Lord of Calamity
Her town reads are heury, somi, Phillip, JC, Bop
There's some scummy content but EGW but he could be indy and Boomfrog is scummy but he likes to play scummy.
She seems to be leaning on Sabrar as town since he's in too good of a mood this game, but he didn't quite make the final town read cut.

I personally think Sabrar is town due to Wam trying to accuse Sabrar of outting himself for killing Bessie. I don't think it's a scum-scum interaction.

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:31 am
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Egw

I also think sabrar shot bessie and told on themselves in this post.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:23 pm - bessie is a Doc-dodge or a team that is specifically afraid of her catching them in late-game (with a side-potential again of scum aiming for the other scum).
As the person I'm the game who I think would be most worried about town Bessie as scum is scum sabrar

I think remaining mafia are within EGW, BoomFrog and Santy.

VOTE: EGW

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:56 am**

Yeah I saw your Therion claim but seemingly noone paid any attention when I put it in thread, so I didn't bother with it.

Just to be perfectly clear: if you shoot a townie then you can chat with them (hence the Mason part). And technically this could be bullshit and you just making up reads for bessie. Why did you decide to shoot bessie and madge?

@mods: is it allowed to ask questions about past games that probably only bessie could answer to verify the death masonry? I assume not.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:59 am**

Is it part of your role that the kill is published? If not, why did you presume that you would need to claim D3?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:03 am**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:56 am@mods: is it allowed to ask questions about past games that probably only bessie could answer to verify the death masonry? I assume not.

yes, but answer must be paraphrased and cannot break cryptography or any other rules.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:09 am**

Nice.

@bessie: there was a Secret Santa game where I pretended to have a post-restriction D1 and you were furious about it. We then had private chat from D2. Can you tell me any specific details about it that heury wouldn't know?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:10 am**

The fact that no one said anything such as you who were on at the time let me know that those who had paid attention probably realized I could be the vig so keeping silent was a town tell. Yes, anyone I devour I have night chat with them. So Bessie and I chatted for the first time during N2. And I'll be able to chat with Madge as well, but I don't see any reason to. Claiming now because I think it's important town realizes the devour was a vig kill. And assuming you all believe me, then I can share Bessie's insight as well before I get killed. I targeted Bessie because I wanted to pick someone who was tough to read and hopefully get lucky on scum, but if they're town then they are still dedicated enough to give reads to share on the main thread. I targeted Madge because I was fairly certain she wasn't town. She claimed Mason early and had coasted the rest of the game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:18 am**

I believe that.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:19 am**

Here is one of Bessie's observations. She pointed out this from EGW being straight up wrong

EGW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:45 pm
bessie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:07 amSabrar – I feel Sabrar is off but am willing to chalk it up to his RL issues. I don’t want to do a deep dive on his content today.
This was Bessie's read on Sabrar, Mak.

Because she expanded on her Sabrar read before that post

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bessie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:50 am
Sabrar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:02 am @bessie:
bessie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:07 amSabrar – I feel Sabrar is off but am willing to chalk it up to his RL issues.
You know I don't like these types of reads because there is nothing tangible behind it. Could you point to specific instances where you think I'm off?
Ok. I will try to explain what I have been pondering.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:58 am Thank you all. Readlist and vote are planned for Saturday, I don't mind being pinged in the meantime if you have questions but I won't be checking in as often.
This feels different to me, something about it or the way you said it. My brain knows that you have things on your mind, with the unexpected death of your colleague, which is why I didn’t want analyze you D1 the way I usually would but even my logical brain can’t always completely control how I feel.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:57 pm Disclaimer: my reads make sense from my own pov, others have different experiences and/or expectations. Especially true when I am talking about what I expect from other players, I am probably equally bad or worse at anticipating what they are likely to do as they are when evaluating me.
I don’t remember you ever putting this kind of disclaimer on your content. You are usually confident that even if your conclusions are not correct, that the reasoning that led you to those conclusions is logical and will make sense to others.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:57 pm Makhaira: healthy paranoia and progression on multiple issues. Not too familiar with Mak's scum-game and don't have time now to dive into it, so it will have to do for now.
I also think this is odd because I think you’ve played with Mak when he’s been scum. Unless you forgot that Mak is FrozenFlame and I don’t think you forget stuff.

She can't believe EGW would make that mistake and then wonders if Sabrar will point it out and then yes finds the post of Sabrar pointing it out and EGW never replies back. EGW -1

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:28 am**

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:59 am Is it part of your role that the kill is published? If not, why did you presume that you would need to claim D3?

Could you also answer this one?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:31 am**

@Sabrar is there any reason you targeted me and did what you did?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:32 am**

Yes, I've included that in my full claim which is ready to be published whenever necessary.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:35 am**

I don't think I have useful information either

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:01 am I don't have a night result that provides an immediate solution. Do people want me to claim right now, or do we wait for others, e.g. heury. Also do we suppose that the malevolence mafia is entirely gone?

Never hurts to check

@mod: Would the flip reveal if/when a faction is eliminated?

Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:59 am Is it part of your role that the kill is published? If not, why did you presume that you would need to claim D3?

Yes, I have the same questions

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:46 am It was stated that Therions are the devourers and then I claimed being Therion.

Well that went entirely over my head if I'm honest

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:37 am**

*noted*

For the record I dlnt have any mech pointing to you acting on me, just was what I assumed and made it seem like I was sure to make you admit it in the case you wanted to hide it haha~

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:37 am**

Heury should be confirmed non-mafia with tha claim, beautiful kill on madge as well

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:38 am**

somitomi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:35 am @mod: Would the flip reveal if/when a faction is eliminated?

nope, sorry!

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:38 am**

EGW wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 6:44 am Well I targeted Mak and was going to hope he turned out to be a liar, and considered Santy as likely busser for Wam. Never mind on that though.

:wowee:

Just

:wowee:

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:40 am**

There is no way there is two mafia factions + vigilantebtw. In case of multiball heury is prob a member of the other mafia , but I believe the vigilante claim. Since they claimed Therion I knew they were probably Velvet and could be the devourer (it was something Bop talked about early into D2 as well) , so imo it fits really well

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:42 am**

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:46 am
Sabrar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:38 am Yeah, I don't know why you would think I know.
It was stated that Therions are the devourers and then I claimed being Therion.

I am Velvet the Devourer (Death Masoning Vigilante). I targeted bessie N1 and Madge N2.

The only result Bessie got last night was being targeted by myself. She is aligned with the Shepard and not the Lord of Calamity
Her town reads are heury, somi, Phillip, JC, Bop
There's some scummy content but EGW but he could be indy and Boomfrog is scummy but he likes to play scummy.
She seems to be leaning on Sabrar as town since he's in too good of a mood this game, but he didn't quite make the final town read cut.

I personally think Sabrar is town due to Wam trying to accuse Sabrar of outting himself for killing Bessie. I don't think it's a scum-scum interaction.

Wam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:31 am
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Egw

I also think sabrar shot bessie and told on themselves in this post.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:23 pm - bessie is a Doc-dodge or a team that is specifically afraid of her catching them in late-game (with a side-potential again of scum aiming for the other scum).
As the person I'm the game who I think would be most worried about town Bessie as scum is scum sabrar

I think remaining mafia are within EGW, BoomFrog and Santy.

VOTE: EGW

Why do you think I bus Wam so hard yesterday if Im mafia?
But Sabrar is unpaired because of a simple accusation that, as I showcased yesterday, had a really weird progression and quick to unvote for shallow reasons?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:43 am**

And Boomfrog like, proposed the idea that got Wam outed aswell

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