Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[Santygrass]

protectives should NOT be on Sabrar . Because Sabrar is either scum, or a potential misyeet target, they never kill them. I think mafia targets for tonight are either me (?) , Bop or maybe Frog if they try to doc dodge

[Santygrass]

You think if Moody is no longer able to chat with the person they are chatting with, that makes that person any less of a threat to scum?

Yes . And most relevant point is still the same. It doesnt help us solve

I think Moody and who he's talking with having a line of communication to bounce ideas off of helps them solve, which helps us to solve in the long run. Moody is able to give us important information without putting the person getting it in any risk. I don't understand how you don't see that as beneficial to us winning the game.

Yes , its benefitial. Moody revealing now wether or not they have it doesnt change anything.

Like, we will know about it the next day and mafia doesnt have that information during the night. Its benefitial to not say it now

[EGW]

Santy and Mak, y'all should discuss the Sabrar read.

[EGW]

As in together.

[Makhaira]

protectives should NOT be on Sabrar . Because Sabrar is either scum, or a potential misyeet target, they never kill them. I think mafia targets for tonight are either me (?) , Bop or maybe Frog if they try to doc dodge

I understand where you're coming from but this is an overreach tbh, too much of an all in, but it's not complete batshit

the proper hedge is to force scum's hand if it is town!sab and not give them multiple options. if they want to play chicken re: RBing, if they use it elsewhere its a massive risk

[Makhaira]

I dont want to discuss my sabrar read in detail rn but I will very much say he is far from locktown

more info will help us sort sab, especially if he lives and full claims tonight's actions

[Santygrass]

protectives should NOT be on Sabrar . Because Sabrar is either scum, or a potential misyeet target, they never kill them. I think mafia targets for tonight are either me (?) , Bop or maybe Frog if they try to doc dodge

I understand where you're coming from but this is an overreach tbh, too much of an all in, but it's not complete batshit

the proper hedge is to force scum's hand if it is town!sab and not give them multiple options. if they want to play chicken re: RBing, if they use it elsewhere its a massive risk

There is no real reason why scum would care more about Sabrar acting twice, its not that relevant. Specially if their action really is dangerous (vig f.e.), killing them doesnt really stop them from acting twice. Its not an all in, its like pure logic, you are over valuing night actions of [One phase only] , dayplay is far more important, protecting a cleared player is the correct move here

[EGW]

I agree with Santy regarding dayplay.

[Santygrass]

I dont want to discuss my sabrar read in detail rn but I will very much say he is far from locktown

more info will help us sort sab, especially if he lives and full claims tonight's actions

Exactly. Like Mak, is it really that bad if scum chooses to kill Sab? The slot Im proposing to push and have just cased as very likely mafia?? I think sab dying help us solve more than them remaining alive. Using protectives there is a waste

[boomfrog]

You think if Moody is no longer able to chat with the person they are chatting with, that makes that person any less of a threat to scum?

Yes . And most relevant point is still the same. It doesnt help us solve

I think Moody and who he's talking with having a line of communication to bounce ideas off of helps them solve, which helps us to solve in the long run. Moody is able to give us important information without putting the person getting it in any risk. I don't understand how you don't see that as beneficial to us winning the game.

I am so confused why you spend so much effort arguing about super minor tangents like this, but almost never point out things that might be alignment indicative. Can you help me understand your approach to the game? Because from my perspective it feels like you are trying to coast by and if you are town you are making yourself a huge liability late game.

[Santygrass]

If I were a protective I 100000% would prefer for Bop alive rather than Sabrar. Bop dying because I chose to "save" Sabrar to have more information to solve them is just plain silly

[EGW]

Boom, are you not already familiar with JC's playstyle?

[Makhaira]

why are you saying sab could be a vig he said he targeted me and Im alive

I think its clear hes signaling some kind of investigative, I dont think he would target me N1 otherwise as town tbh

he needs to survive to publish results, regardless of NAR. he's probably not a buffer, we already have one claimed

there is a clear class of roles that he must be if its town!sab and I dont want to say more because it gives the game away to scum and hes about to be doubled so if he's town and plays this right it could put us WAY ahead. you are discounting this because you are locked in that hes scum. Im not saying youre crazy but I think you are a bit overconfident

but I can respect the POV difference and will not say Im objectively right, I just think my play is safer. yours is more of a double down if that makes sense, mines a hedge

[boomfrog]

Answer is that Edna is a fakeclaim , they clearly dont have that wincon.
I am Eizen and town, you can check what my character does in Tales of Berseria ~

But you're claiming to be from both, and it would not be smart to disregard what you become in Tales of Zestiria.

Fair ig (?)
But that is what the wiki says about my character, a mindless dragon is not like, a very interesting flavor ngl. But this is moot when Wam flip will clear a lot about this regardless

If you weren't putting so much effort into a final read before this yeet I'd be convinced you are a elemmer for Edna on even days and wam is just bad at reading his role PM and is mistaken about you being confirmed town.

[Makhaira]

to help you understand santy I also think you are overconfident on bop, we have no experience with bop, bop could absolutely be fonti level deep worf here, slot has not urgency. prolific and a lot of good analysis but lacks a hunters edge if that tracks

so basically I see the POE a little diff, so I think the clear weights are a bit differently distributed

[Santygrass]

No, clears by dayplay are 10000000 more important than allegeds and speculations about informatives. Specially if we cant trust Sabrar being town to begin with.
Its a huge win for us if Sabrar is killed and we have 3 kinda cleared strong towns in me/Bop/Frog tomorrow. My play is objectively safer, your play is only better in certain scenarios, that I think are very unlikely to begin with (that is, Sabrar being town, and having a strong investigative, in a setup with already two other flavor cops and a tracker (moody's neighbor), dont think Sabrar double action even if investigative is going to be as strong)

[Makhaira]

EBWOP: bop could absolutely be fonti level deepwolf here, slot has no urgency

[Makhaira]

yeah we just disagree about strength of dayplay clears, reasonable minds etc etc

[Santygrass]

to help you understand santy I also think you are overconfident on bop, we have no experience with bop, bop could absolutely be fonti level deep worf here, slot has not urgency. prolific and a lot of good analysis but lacks a hunters edge if that tracks

so basically I see the POE a little diff, so I think the clear weights are a bit differently distributed

Have you read my post and the post I pointed as clearing? He was the only other slot that has been sussing Wam since early in the day aswell , as the flavor knowledge being a very good look for not being paired with Wam

[Makhaira]

I agree on wam scumflip bop looks fantastic, but we dont have that flip yet

[Makhaira]

this is an agree to disagree thing I would not be mad if phillip listens to you at all I just think theres an argument for what Im saying

[Makhaira]

someone please just hammer

[boomfrog]

Boom, are you not already familiar with JC's playstyle?

I vaguely remember him being general low hanging fruit but I don't remember the details and don't remember it being this bad. Can you explain what you expect from town!JC and what you think would be different for scum!JC?

[heuristically_alone]

VOTE: Wam

[boomfrog]

I could hammer if no one objects. I don't see a ton of value extending this much further. I'm going to eat dinner then check back.