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Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:06 pm I think with this + your post of somi calling bessie paranoid as a sort of 'soft' that implicates them being scum and not having daychat you are like.... Burning the kitchen really bad Seven . Reaching too much and focusing on mech stuff with no basis . I hope you recalibrate soon

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:09 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:06 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:04 pm

No, it still doesnt. Because it wouldnt be bastard regardless /shrug

From Adum’s perspective it would. He’d be expecting a town result and thought there was someone faking an investigation on him.

Faking no. It would be an investigation that goes through their godfather camouflage or whatever is called here. Is always the more natural conclusion.

They would be bothered by a possible very op cop, not the game being bastard

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:04 pm I will say that Adum saying that 8-1-3 is plausible , and using that to defend themselves is... A very bad look though. That balance doesnt make sense in the slightlest and at least I think they should be aware of that

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:09 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:06 pm I think with this + your post of somi calling bessie paranoid as a sort of 'soft' that implicates them being scum and not having daychat you are like.... Burning the kitchen really bad Seven . Reaching too much and focusing on mech stuff with no basis . I hope you recalibrate soon

You’ve been telling me to recalibrate since D1 and I’ve been on the right side of things. Perhaps this advice better applies to you?

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:15 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:09 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:06 pm I think with this + your post of somi calling bessie paranoid as a sort of 'soft' that implicates them being scum and not having daychat you are like.... Burning the kitchen really bad Seven . Reaching too much and focusing on mech stuff with no basis . I hope you recalibrate soon

You’ve been telling me to recalibrate since D1 and I’ve been on the right side of things. Perhaps this advice better applies to you?

I value you, I just value me more.


As in : Only right on somi?

(Which I think is plausible that softed being mafia to you but we will not talk about this now)

When logic isnt logicc'ing Im going to call it out /shrug. I think I have a good track record on my games for you to value it regardless .

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:12 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:04 pm I will say that Adum saying that 8-1-3 is plausible , and using that to defend themselves is... A very bad look though. That balance doesnt make sense in the slightlest and at least I think they should be aware of that

Genuinely por qué?

I only see two mafia and one Indy making sense if the Indy is specifically an SK. Non-killing indies on the other hand, like survivor, marker, unjester (which happened last Halloween), still make sense.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:33 pm

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:36 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:25 pm Scum has night chat only. Bessie doesn’t know the order of her sanities. She’s informed at the start of day what it was the previous night. Somi was communicating with her in that feeling paranoid post.

I'd be surprised if scum has night chat only while we have both day and night chat. Like it's possible but seems needlessly crippling.

Regardless, somi saying the paranoid thing is too coincidental for me to let it pass.

somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:15 pm You know those moments when you use the wrong equation and your math is wrong but you somehow get the right result? This is one of those moments

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:17 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:12 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:04 pm I will say that Adum saying that 8-1-3 is plausible , and using that to defend themselves is... A very bad look though. That balance doesnt make sense in the slightlest and at least I think they should be aware of that

Genuinely por qué?

I only see two mafia and one Indy making sense if the Indy is specifically an SK. Non-killing indies on the other hand, like survivor, marker, unjester (which happened last Halloween), still make sense.

And SK was the indy being discussed.

Usual balance is 1 scum for 3 town.
8 - 3 - 1 would be 1 scum for 2 town.

Very basic to see that is not balanced at all. Maybe if the indy is neutral and non harmful to town, and even still I would say is very scumsided

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:10 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:09 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:06 pm
From Adum’s perspective it would. He’d be expecting a town result and thought there was someone faking an investigation on him.

Faking no. It would be an investigation that goes through their godfather camouflage or whatever is called here. Is always the more natural conclusion.

They would be bothered by a possible very op cop, not the game being bastard

Nah

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:10 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:56 pm

Again, why did you motivate Wam?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:34 pm
@Mak, do you have any modifiers to your rolename besides Motivator? (Loud, etc.)

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:33 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:10 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:56 pm

Again, why did you motivate Wam?

Thought I addressed this already sorry if I forgot, I targeted wam because he was the leading wagon before somi swing and red flip, I think he is relatively townie by play, but I do think his role seems suspiciously powerful and has plenty of potential utility for an antitown slot. His JOAT powers not being loud by default in contrast to the other JOATs made me suspicious. I wanted to motivate him and make him loud so we can get some extra value out of his claimed powers and direct them as we see fit because his abilities will be loudened and thus made public so if he steps out of line with our directions we will be told so and can elim him. Basically I'm trying to hold his seemingly overpowered role and powers accountable to town consensus

somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:56 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:51 pm

I'm a Role Cop, each night I can learn someone's role (but not their alignment). N1 I targeted Mak because I didn't catch his crumb

I knew you were role cop which is why I included it in the known/anticipated role list. I don’t believe you though on why you targeted Mak. What is his role?

Motivating Loudener, but also how did you know my role?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:39 pm I would urge people to exercise restraint in clearing slots as being unable to kill based on claims of roleblocking. I would not be even remotely surprised if scum had a strongman and I'm surprised so many people are considering ninja without similarly considering strongman potential. Also not all mods consider factional abilities, such as an NK, to be roleblockable. Sometimes mods consider roleblocking to only apply to individual abilities. Also if we have an SK in game there is almost 0% chance the SK isn't atleast ninja or strongman. But given how few kills we have seen this game I don't think we are dealing with 2 killing roles/factions. If anything I'm getting vibes we may be dealing with a non-killing scum faction with special parity rules a la Jungle Republic. Like a 2-3 size non killing antitown faction and a 1-2 size killing antitown faction

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:39 pm I would urge people to exercise restraint in clearing slots as being unable to kill based on claims of roleblocking. I would not be even remotely surprised if scum had a strongman and I'm surprised so many people are considering ninja without similarly considering strongman potential. Also not all mods consider factional abilities, such as an NK, to be roleblockable. Sometimes mods consider roleblocking to only apply to individual abilities. Also if we have an SK in game there is almost 0% chance the SK isn't atleast ninja or strongman. But given how few kills we have seen this game I don't think we are dealing with 2 killing roles/factions. If anything I'm getting vibes we may be dealing with a non-killing scum faction with special parity rules a la Jungle Republic. Like a 2-3 size non killing antitown faction and a 1-2 size killing antitown faction

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:37 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:33 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:10 pm

Again, why did you motivate Wam?

Thought I addressed this already sorry if I forgot, I targeted wam because he was the leading wagon before somi swing and red flip, I think he is relatively townie by play, but I do think his role seems suspiciously powerful and has plenty of potential utility for an antitown slot. His JOAT powers not being loud by default in contrast to the other JOATs made me suspicious. I wanted to motivate him and make him loud so we can get some extra value out of his claimed powers and direct them as we see fit because his abilities will be loudened and thus made public so if he steps out of line with our directions we will be told so and can elim him. Basically I'm trying to hold his seemingly overpowered role and powers accountable to town consensus

Ok that does make sense.

What I'm concerned about is it's possible that could allow them to do a double factional kill.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:52 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:39 pm I would urge people to exercise restraint in clearing slots as being unable to kill based on claims of roleblocking. I would not be even remotely surprised if scum had a strongman and I'm surprised so many people are considering ninja without similarly considering strongman potential. Also not all mods consider factional abilities, such as an NK, to be roleblockable. Sometimes mods consider roleblocking to only apply to individual abilities. Also if we have an SK in game there is almost 0% chance the SK isn't atleast ninja or strongman. But given how few kills we have seen this game I don't think we are dealing with 2 killing roles/factions. If anything I'm getting vibes we may be dealing with a non-killing scum faction with special parity rules a la Jungle Republic. Like a 2-3 size non killing antitown faction and a 1-2 size killing antitown faction

Fair point, I actually thought roleblocker overrode strongman but checking the wiki it looks like I'm wrong.

That said, whose carrying the power? Both Bessie and (by POE) Moody have confirmed powers. This fits more with either being a full-time strongman or a JOAT with a one shot in their toolbox.

Do you think "mafia" is killing or non-killing in this scenario?