Wam - town
Seven - town
Thea - town
If Wam were a scum VT cop, it would be unideal for him to claim toDay as he would be expected to die during the night. I am therefore comfortable assuming toDay then that Wam is Town.
A Vanilla Cop is a weaker Role Cop that receives a Vanilla result on Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons, and a non-vanilla result on all PR roles. An argument could made that a Godfather should be read as vanilla; however, I believe the logical interpretation of the role is that it would be read as non-vanilla. Typically a Godfather is a role that receives a favorable result regarding the player's
alignment no its
role. For example, a normal role cop should read a Godfather as a 'Godfather'.
Vanilla is a role, not an alignment.
Wam is a
Vanilla Town Cop. It checks both the
role and
alignment of a player. This is stronger than a Vanilla Cop because he is able to distinguish between Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons. The key thing about this is that it is an 'AND' check. In order to receive a 'Vanilla Town' result, the player's
role must be read as Vanilla and their
alignment must be read as Town. As with a Vanilla Cop, therefore, a Godfather would not provide a "Vanilla Town" result as it would fail the first half of the check. Therefore, unless someone has another role in mind that would have manipulated Wam's results, they can likely be trusted. Therefore, both Thea and Seven are Town. Edit: bessie has proposed redirector or bus driver. See my response
here. Additional point: A redirector would be incongruous with EGW's role, and so unlikely to exist in this setup. Edit: Wam has confirmed that the results are not redirected or bus driven
here.
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Madge - town
I think Madge's play today regarding the guilty result on bessie is town-indicative. I am considering two scenarios, scum!Madge with town!bessie and scum!Madge with scum!bessie. In town!bessie scenario, I don't think it is likely for Madge to have come up with thoughts like these:
madge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:00 am
@everyone: did anyone receive some sort of night action result on N1?
[snip]
Speculation: wam could be scum rolecop (is it bad that I love the little image in my head of scum!wam freaking out about a copped vanilla townie has a guilty result)
madge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:00 am
Seven-Bessie-Wam in one section:
- I don't think it makes sense for town!Seven to gambit killing bessie, she didn't scumread her that much did she? Like I could see a universe in which I see someone as so scummy that I fake a result so people will listen to me and vote them, but this is not what Seven had for bessie. The closest I could see is if Seven had some other night result (e.g. saw bessie visit EGW) and wants to avoid claiming her real power.
- Wam as town would do what he did
- Wam, as scum protecting bessie, would not risk claiming Thea is VT when Thea could easily contradict that (nb: maybe scum does have this actual power, or a rolecop, and knows Thea is VT). However, it would have the same issue: if Seven flips town, then Wam flips scum, and Bessie will also be killed. This makes two scum for one town, which seems excessive. That said - wam is claiming that Seven is vanilla town, so isn't actually trying to get Seven voted out, just trying to save Bessie. So I should probably re-analyse that.
Speculation: perhaps there's a cop who sends results (there was one in B99), and Seven received a result.
Speculation: wam could be scum rolecop (is it bad that I love the little image in my head of scum!wam freaking out about a copped vanilla townie has a guilty result)
I'm trying to figure out the mechanically optimal vote out. I agree we want the elim with best odds. My brain is feeling very soupy now and I need to get some work done, but I hope to come back in 4-5 hours.
Looking through the posts, I can't actually discount a scum!Madge/scum!bessie scenario. Scum!Madge would know that it was possible that I did have a genuine result on bessie and thus would be liable to have the speculations about Amnesia/JoAt/Tracker as she had. That being said, I think her speculation surrounding Wam's alignment and motivations likely stem from a town mindset. Her progression through her thoughts on Wam's claim are written in a way as if coming from a genuine stream of consciousness. This also resonates as genuine:
madge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:18 ambut I CAN'T
Fred - town
Fred's first game playing mafia was
Millerizer Mafia, a game with an open setup and unique 3rd party-role. Fred's second game was
Sorcerer's 11, a game with an open set-up and unique roles. Fred's 3rd game was
Pick Your Poison, a semi-open setup with unique mechanics. Prior to this, he also entered AI mafia but replaced out at the beginning. I bring these up to put this post into context:
Freddino18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:23 am
madge wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:27 amdo mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.
The rules are a general ruleset with allowances for daychat but we don't even have a confirmation that there are actual scum.The rules are the vaguest on actual mechanics that I have ever seen. It's either that this game is entirely vanilla, or Adum is hiding a big stinker (wth is the name for one of those games?) (also I always phone it in until I do my in-depth analysis)
All Fred has seen up until now are
open setups, generally with unique mechanics laid out. This is unconventional from how most players have entered the mafia scene, through Newbie games with Normal setups (mostly VT with a couple of PRs). He has yet to experience a closed setup, leading to his confusion at the start about whether there is even scum in the game. Additionally, due to this lack of experience with a closed setup, I do not believe that scum!Fred would have had the insight necessary to fake a line like this: "It's either that this game is entirely vanilla, or Adum is hiding a big stinker (wth is the name for one of those games?)"
That leaves these four:
Moody - ?
Somi/Santy - ?
JC - ?
Bessie - ?
I believe we probably have a ML so we could just eliminate all 4. I do want to try and make a hit today though.
I do not think the team is not Somanti/Moody/JC because of somi's post here:
moody7277 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:34 am
somitomi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:28 am
EBWOP:
I think JC has actually posted more than Heury, but maybe I'm nitpicking. Still, seems like a slightly odd distinction
(I should not be trying to post from work)
Just did a quick count, and it's JC 11, heury 5. What I noticed most about heury's posts were the fluffiness, although it looks like his last one included reads.
It is unlikely that scum!somi would bring attention to a possible partner tell between his partners.
Therefore, it can be concluded that bessie is at least one of the scum.
Vote: bessie