I'll do kay read with my general list later tonight.
KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:59 pm
If Bessie ever flips scum, isn’t it just heury? Why would scum not just take that out? That seems crazy that someone would have so much hubris to not take the sure out to instead stick around and try to puppet the game thread without ever getting caught before finding another time to get voted. Thats why this makes no sense as a s/s play. Bessie is town and if Bessie ever flips scum we just win imo and I don’t think that’s a real possibility. There’s a t/t possibility and a Heury scum, Bessie town possibly but I see almost zero chance that Heury is town while Bessie is scum.
I don't want to harp on this too much either, I've got a few posts on it, see
for my main logic. I think another factor people are overlooking, is Heury's vote is locked. Scum Bessie wouldn't need to act immediately, because as long as she acts before another pair vote each other she is fine. If you logged into the game as scum, saw you had an easy out on the table, you could go for the riskier play, and if it seems like two other people are going to pair up, you can then just take the easy out then.
Again, this is just something I want people to consider if the scenario of scum bessie flips without town heury, not my scumreading of bessie.
Thank you for responding Heury, regarding good vote candidate, yah thats my bad, I should have clarified that I am against Bessie voting for you in return, but it is Bessie's choice.
Also on the vote idea, mildly against it, I think its a good principle, but there are certain people I wouldn't want to be elimmed together, and other considerations I think could get lost? I'm down to use it as a way of tracking peoples thoughts though.
Since I told EGW I would give my heury read after Heury responded, I'll post my current thoughts and update it in my end of day list.
To steal Mak's format
I still lean Heury >rand town regarding the early vote, I think its something that would need to be coordinated with a scum partner as scum, and wouldn't have happened as fast as it did + my pregame analysis. I don't want to see Heury flip today, I think most people disagree with me on the read, and I don't think it would give as much information as Heury's vote target.
I see his messages and interactions very different than the game I just played with him where he was scum. Particularly, Heury being bummed about the Bessie in the game confusion fits really well with his townie reasoning for voting bessie in the first place. I think his reads are... a mix of some stuff I agree with, and a good amount of stuff I disagree with. His justification for my question about Greedy and Moody I liked, it just accepted the double standard and didn't try to double down.
Ultimately, even if Heury hadn't voted Bessie, I would not be willing to vote today, this is a slot I would like to see how it progresses over time.
Fuck it, quick reads list, not really ordered
Somi - my current favorite slot in the game, generally seems to be reading all posts, I get a good sense of paranoia, while they have committed to some reads, and I like that they pushed back on me, rather than pocketing. I think here:
somitomi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:41 pm
I'm inclined to agree and given that I don't think bessie is the kind of player to pull a high risk ploy like this as misdirection, this puts me rather firmly in a bessie is town universe.
Is my favorite counter argument, because its clear Somi has read and understood thoughts on both sides of the aisle, and instead of just hiding in logic, makes a judgement call on how they think Bessie in specific would play.
Kay - I didn't like a lot of Kay's middle posts, specifically i felt their interaction post Bessie felt off, and I didn't like how they handled EGW and I discussing jokes, felt like they were kind of subtley egging on some confrontation with
these posts.. I liked when Kay started interacting with Mak and EGW, specifically
on Greedy, and [url=
viewtopic.php?p=92845#p92845] this post felt very helpful in clarifying the situation,[/url ]opposite energy of Kay's earlier posts, in it seems they have stepped up to being more helpful. Ultimately, not a slot I'm willing to vote today, Kay strikes me as a very good player on both sides, but for now im feeling mild town lean.
Heury - see Heury read above
Bessie - Likely town due to Heury's actions, my other thoughts should be clear.
Bop - Neutral feeling to me. Think I liked them more earlier, but most posts I've seen from them recently have been clarifications on things, and engaging me on flip priorities, I don't think their arguments are scummy, just want to see some more reads. Strongest stance seems to be disliking Heury and Greedy, but seemed to parot other peoples takes and then hedge slightly. Like me too, lol, but I want to see some more still very early ofc.
Mak - Neutral to slight town. I like their view of the game, and that they've acted on it. What pinged me as scum for them in the last game was unwillingness to share info, and that they were very against vig shooting early, which I think favored maf by restricting info and keeping them alive. Still early on, and Mak is scary and no one should trust them.
EGW- talked a lot with this slot, so gonna try and keep this brief. I want to see more town reads and pushing who they think is town, but I can see their POV on me/heury slightly, even if I think we have been misinterpreting each others words slightly, their arguments against me have mainly been directed at parts of my thoughts that I have been torn on/struggled in coming to my views. Will def need to do a full read of after the first flips, I would like to keep this slot around.
Greedy - initially pinged belligerent town, I agree with Kay and Mak on their backtracking of their plan somewhat. I don't like that their only post since then was saying they town read Kay without providing reasoning.
Moody - only post since my last read of them was incredibly evasive, currently my lowest read.
