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Seven wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:34 am For the record, a Godfather would not show up as "Vanilla Town" to a Vanilla Town cop. (Unless wam received clarification that it would). It is an illogical interpretation of the role and I believe Adum would see it as such.

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:55 amWhy is that? Also, are you able to be convinced with reason, or is your heart set on it?

Is that a no then?

What would it show up as, for the record, and why do you feel that way?

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:22 am

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:24 am Interesting! For the record, George's ability was a N1 ability only. He wasn't able to use it anymore.

How are you so sure?

He told us?

Wam
Thea
Bessie
Moody
Madge
Fred
Seven
Santy

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:29 am

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:22 am

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:24 am Interesting! For the record, George's ability was a N1 ability only. He wasn't able to use it anymore.

How are you so sure?

He told us?

If I had a protection role and had to out myself I'd say it was one shot as well, but I do appreciate the clarification as to why you feel that way Seven.

It's also awesome how you can answer something that you weren't asked about, but struggle to answer the stuff you are.

Sorry friends im way behind, WoW race to world first started this week and Ive basically been working and grinding that for early progression

Ok so clearly this game exploded today with claims so I need some help getting an index to have on hand as I read the rest of the game, Im at page 48

Summary of my understanding of the situation at that point is the following:

Seven is claiming guilty on Bessie

Bessie denies the result and votes Seven, but says she thinks Seven is gambiting (this term is a bit loaded and has certain implications to bessies PoV)

Wam then claims that Seven is actually VT as VT cop (presumably gets a boolean result that target is either 0 - Not VT or 1- VT, wam please confirm this for me succinctly if my understanding is correct). Claims results are N1 target Seven result VT (1); N2 target Thea result VT (1)

I think this claim if I understand it correctly implies a certain negative induction solve, will expand late after full catchup if I dont see anything contradictory

Basically I need to know if any more claims have come out that contradict these two claims. It seems some sort of mass claim is in progress? Someone please index the public claims for me if possible

I think these claims, if all are maintained by the claimants and not reneged on in anyway, imply only a few possible solves. Thankfully we have atleast one more day to execute. I will 100% be around at deadline

So basically Seven and Wam please confirm for me that you are maintaining everything claimed in your original posts, and specifically Seven I think you need to elaborate on the claimed mechanic of your clear if you haven't already. If you arent going to tell me I need an exceptionally good reason

ok Ill mostly cut to the chase assuming all the above claims are maintained

in what world is this phase not a decision about who goes first, Bessie or Seven? If Seven is town that claim is a giga throw to fake and we deserve to lose on that level of bad play, and if Seven is scum we knock a free scum out and a good one at that in lylo to set up for a very winnable endgame with a scum!Seven flip. I can see scum!Seven having faith in mates, or if we have reason to believe theres an extra kill floating around, but based on the claims Im seeing this game feels very low power and mountainous which I have no issue believing Adum wouldve opted for (not trying to pull the meta card here but being real I've probably player in more games with adum than any of yall historically so its gonna take some convincing for any one of you to convince me this is actually super secret gimmick lylo and this 50/50 ought be deviated from

way I see it this is an order of operations discussion and nothing more

unless Wam or Seven have significantly altered their claims which I need to know ASAP

Seven are you still claiming a PR and that Wam is lying when he calls you VT?

Seven lied about having a result on Bessie.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:04 am

madge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:55 am @Seven: Don't weasel unless it's to actually clarify beyond what my questions anticipate. Is this result you have on bessie a) an actual bona fide in-game investigation result of some sort, or b) is it your way of claiming your Very Accurate Read? If a), is the investigation unambiguous (e.g. 'bessie is scum' or 'bessie and heury are incompatible alignments') or is it ambiguous (e.g. 'bessie was the only one who visited EGW last night', given scum could have a ninja?)

b, I don't have a bona fide in-game investigation result. I came to the conclusion that bessie is scum during N2.

Confirmed here.

moody is weirdly non-committal and like pre making excuses for inactivity at a crucial time ugh

JCs activity surge makes my blood run cold

freddino is exceptionally good at fake self deprecation if hes scum

but yeah I still need to know why this isn't seven/bessie wagons only

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:17 am Seven lied about having a result on Bessie.

Very helpful thank you! So Seven is confirming they are in fact VT and Wams result is correct? Has Thea also confirmed this?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:20 am

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:17 am Seven lied about having a result on Bessie.

Very helpful thank you! So Seven is confirming they are in fact VT and Wams result is correct? Has Thea also confirmed this?

Yes.

Flipped
Mak - Town Psychic
George - N1 Compulsive Tree Stumper

Claimed
Thea - VT
Fred - did not claim
Wam - VT-cop
Seven - VT
Moody - VT
Somi/Santy - VT
JC - VT
Bessie - did not claim
Madge - did not claim

Seven what is the exact solve Wam lying about his claim implies (there is only one correct answer)

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:19 am moody is weirdly non-committal and like pre making excuses for inactivity at a crucial time ugh

JCs activity surge makes my blood run cold

freddino is exceptionally good at fake self deprecation if hes scum

but yeah I still need to know why this isn't seven/bessie wagons only

Oh, the deprecation is real, scum or not.

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:28 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:19 am moody is weirdly non-committal and like pre making excuses for inactivity at a crucial time ugh

JCs activity surge makes my blood run cold

freddino is exceptionally good at fake self deprecation if hes scum

but yeah I still need to know why this isn't seven/bessie wagons only

Oh, the deprecation is real, scum or not.

you cannot deprecate your reads as scum, they are "reads"

I think I get what you mean though

oh I thought you were talking about literally all the rest of the self-deprecation.

Yeah I don't know what that means in this context. Me calling myself a lazy, forgetful idiot is what I mean.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:24 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:20 am

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:17 am Seven lied about having a result on Bessie.

Very helpful thank you! So Seven is confirming they are in fact VT and Wams result is correct? Has Thea also confirmed this?

Yes.

the fact that you were literally just here and are not answering my extremely key and simple question is bothering me lol

also are you literally willing to stake the entire game on your read of bessie being scum if you're even holding to that position?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:59 pm Super tinfoil: I have seen Wam's role as a scum role more often than town, so Wam is definitely not cleared.

important take here

oh my god mak you're back i'm sorry for ever doubting you

what the h*ck do i do here??????

Trust Derek Baum

Clean your kitchen with the NEW Kitchen Gun!

Has anyone here ever played with scum!Santy before? or even at all regardless of alignment?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:28 am Seven what is the exact solve Wam lying about his claim implies (there is only one correct answer)

There isn't. The only player it would implicate is Thea. The third would be up in the air.

Seven claiming a result on bessie would be unecessary if Wam was just going to contradict them, so Wam/Seven are unpaired. Wam claiming at that point would implicate scum bessie. Since he knew Seven was a VT and couldn't have had a result on bessie, he could save bessie from an elimination on false grounds. However, the more straightforward way to do this would simply be to claim a VT result on bessie. It is highly unlikely scum!wam is paired with scum!bessie for this reason. Scum!Wam would, however, likely have at least one of his results be on a scummate, pairing him with Thea.

madge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:37 am oh my god mak you're back i'm sorry for ever doubting you

what the h*ck do i do here??????

just asking some questions here maam