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Another possibility is that this isnt a conventional mafia that has a nightkill during the night or is doing other stuff. But if thats the case, JC kill should've come from town.

So for us to reach there is of utmost importance that if its the case the responsible for murdering JC if town claims.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:23 pm Like, a check on bessie/moody/me was infinitely better?? And I dont buy it coming from Wam perspective?

But maybe Im just stiff / biased with my scumread earlier idk. But blanket just think there should be a mafia between Wam/bessie always

Or i got paranoid that I was wrong on the masons and figured that confirming the towncore was better than clearing up the poe. As finding out your/moody/bessies alignment helps make the POE more efficient doesn't change the result of the game.

If seven, adum, thea, Fred are town we win. I was assuming 1 would die which would leave

3 town core
Me
2 mafia (at a guess not multi ball based on somi flip)
3 others

Go through the elims we have 3 mis elims with that solid town core and 5 candidates feels good to me.

Copping yoy and getting town 100% clears 1 player. Coppi g thea and getting town clears 2 players.

Copping you and getting not town dooms you but with the poe above we get there anyway.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:16 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:51 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:46 pmLoud JOAT.

Interesting.

So, why would Wam's role watcher catch Bessie's publishing modifier, but not the other modifier, but also not catch your loud modifier?

I’m not sure. I don’t think it points to wam or bessie lying. JC didn’t flip as Loud JOAT. Also I think JC watched you N1 and he had the same result as Wam. He said something along the lines of town reading wam because Wam was accurate about ‘Publishing Cop”.

Given we have two publishing voyeur actions, I don't think JC was loud.

I read that as JC assuming it was a proper name instead of realizing it was a standard modifier. It's the same assumption which I made before I double checked the wiki.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:25 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:18 pm I guess the JC kill had to be mafia. Possible reasons are hard dangerous PR read, redirected, or just they felt they didn't have better targets.

That last one weirds me, they obviously have a reason not to go after me, but why not seven or the claimed masons? Why not the claimed cop? Why not Santy?

Maybe they have Indy reads and are trying to dodge BP?

I think it is one of the following:

1. They were avoiding a Doc protect. Wam, JC (presumably), and I all have a Doc. There’s lots of protective power this game. Additionally I informed Wam not to target me, bessie, or Mak because I had a trap in place. So scum may have been inclined to avoid triggering said trap.

2. That JC was JOAT was deducible from scum!moody’s point of view.

3. Scum were aiming for the traffic analyst and had a 50:50 shot between moody and JC. They are more afraid of TA than cop because they have a Godfather.

The only thing I have an objection to here is number 2, JOAT just seems low on the list of roles to target in this kind of setup. But going after the backup is possible.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:01 pm Wagons today super highly point to Wam just being scum. I want to throw all that mech talk out of the window and call it bad bad bad. But also, not used to meta here and maybe you are legit solving something and Im skill issuing idk. But the solving after claim talk just were a bunch of nothing to me and all the social aspect forgotten.

Shame

Do you still believe this with somi flipping scum?

Given we have two publishing voyeur actions, I don't think JC was loud.

What results are you referring to as being publishing voyeur? I think it was just JC’s actions.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:32 pm And Mak was copped by somi, so strongly town as well.

As explained earlier, we don't actually know if Somi targeted Mak, if Mak was his partner Somi could've gotten the role directly from Mak and lied about their target.

Something I’ve been speculating about is scum simply not having killed N1.

bessie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:15 am

The worst has been voted out. They were Dr Louise Banks, Traffic Analyst, aligned with Town.

bessie and ducky.png


Ok. Everyone sucks except me.


FOS everyone that voted for the worst.


FOS Fred for all the reasons I have previously stated.


FOS Thea for popping in to save Fred, but not returning to confirm that you have mod verified information that he is town.


I have nothing that I feel like claiming at this time.

@bessie why did uou not claim your cop result here?

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:42 pm

Given we have two publishing voyeur actions, I don't think JC was loud.

What results are you referring to as being publishing voyeur? I think it was just JC’s actions.

I forgot Santy's targetting was loud.

But somebody published Mak's targeting, their targeting wasn't loud last game day. However, it's distinct from last game day's announcement.

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:43 pm Something I’ve been speculating about is scum simply not having killed N1.

I think you're wrong.

Thoughts on no elim and doing this:

Wam protects Seven and Watches Moody.
Seven randomly choose between watching bessie and protecting Adum.
Moody investigates Adum.
Bessie investigates Mak.

And by distinct, I mean last game day was role, not name

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:51 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:42 pm

Given we have two publishing voyeur actions, I don't think JC was loud.

What results are you referring to as being publishing voyeur? I think it was just JC’s actions.

I forgot Santy's targetting was loud.

But somebody published Mak's targeting, their targeting wasn't loud last game day. However, it's distinct from last game day's announcement.

That was Fred.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:39 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:01 pm Wagons today super highly point to Wam just being scum. I want to throw all that mech talk out of the window and call it bad bad bad. But also, not used to meta here and maybe you are legit solving something and Im skill issuing idk. But the solving after claim talk just were a bunch of nothing to me and all the social aspect forgotten.

Shame

Do you still believe this with somi flipping scum?

Less strongly.

Also want to question how likely or if it is something seen/made before that scum has priority targets flavor wise to kill? I was speculating about the Joat being Doctor who related, and if JC was The Doctor maybe that was a priority target for mafia to kill? I think it could be deduced by scum that JC was probably Joat by reaction/confidence to Wam's claim with a bit of hindsight

Oh Wam already used his Watch. Parrot would work in its then.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:37 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:23 pm Like, a check on bessie/moody/me was infinitely better?? And I dont buy it coming from Wam perspective?

But maybe Im just stiff / biased with my scumread earlier idk. But blanket just think there should be a mafia between Wam/bessie always

Or i got paranoid that I was wrong on the masons and figured that confirming the towncore was better than clearing up the poe. As finding out your/moody/bessies alignment helps make the POE more efficient doesn't change the result of the game.

If seven, adum, thea, Fred are town we win. I was assuming 1 would die which would leave

3 town core
Me
2 mafia (at a guess not multi ball based on somi flip)
3 others

Go through the elims we have 3 mis elims with that solid town core and 5 candidates feels good to me.

Copping yoy and getting town 100% clears 1 player. Coppi g thea and getting town clears 2 players.

Copping you and getting not town dooms you but with the poe above we get there anyway.

I do agree that it makes sense from an objective point of view. But I feel like with your reads before and specially if you were assuming one death there (like, thea was a possible nightkill target) copping there seems weird.

Like, you have just as enough reason to towncore Seven as you dif with thea and fred. Yet you are towncoring Seven with confidence in your solve despite not having mechanical info. Today Thea/Fred werent going to be the yeets / targets to vote anyway , yet between the PoE were people that was likely sussed and helped us solve more, I do think there was more value 100% .

No point in discussing it much now, just elaborating on why I think is more likely that you do it from a scum world from my pov

N1

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:45 am Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night [Seven]

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night [JC]

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup [Moody]

[Adum] is [non-Town] [bessie]

N2

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:36 am Makhaira targeted wam last night [Fred - Watcher]

Adum was protected last night [Santy - Even Doc]

Jack of all Trades used Parrot on bessie last night [Seven]

Jack of all Trades used Roleblock on moody last night [Seven]

Adum is non-Town [bessie]

bessie is non-Town [Seven - Parrot]

Jack of all Trades targeted moody last night [JC]

Santy targeted Adum last night [Thea - Tracker]

JC has been killed. They were The Doctor, Jack of all Trades, aligned with Town [Unknown]

@Adum

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:43 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:32 pm And Mak was copped by somi, so strongly town as well.

As explained earlier, we don't actually know if Somi targeted Mak, if Mak was his partner Somi could've gotten the role directly from Mak and lied about their target.

That is true! Just more of a complex scum play and rather risky. For example if somi does that and mak was watched or them tracked, then not only they are caught as lying scum, it also heavily implies Mak as scum, so its not worth lying and I think its unlikely for scum to try to pull off. Specially on short notice (the claim of somi was asked near EoD)

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:53 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:51 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:42 pm What results are you referring to as being publishing voyeur? I think it was just JC’s actions.

I forgot Santy's targetting was loud.

But somebody published Mak's targeting, their targeting wasn't loud last game day. However, it's distinct from last game day's announcement.

That was Fred.

You're right, I'm being dumb.

Also another reason to feel about Mak is that I think their somi progression was good ? + Your social read on them the past day was town with confidence, and so it was thea read on them. So I have the heavily unpairing copping + socially town and I think Mak is just almost always tow here and not something Im going to revisit soon

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:03 pm Also another reason to feel about Mak is that I think their somi progression was good ? + Your social read on them the past day was town with confidence, and so it was thea read on them. So I have the heavily unpairing copping + socially town and I think Mak is just almost always tow here and not something Im going to revisit soon

This was directed to Adum (hence, the part about your social read, speaking about how they noted Mak's behaviour that rubbed me and moody the wrong way as firmly town!mak indicative)

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:00 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:43 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:32 pm And Mak was copped by somi, so strongly town as well.

As explained earlier, we don't actually know if Somi targeted Mak, if Mak was his partner Somi could've gotten the role directly from Mak and lied about their target.

That is true! Just more of a complex scum play and rather risky. For example if somi does that and mak was watched or them tracked, then not only they are caught as lying scum, it also heavily implies Mak as scum, so its not worth lying and I think its unlikely for scum to try to pull off. Specially on short notice (the claim of somi was asked near EoD)

Santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:03 pm Also another reason to feel about Mak is that I think their somi progression was good ? + Your social read on them the past day was town with confidence, and so it was thea read on them. So I have the heavily unpairing copping + socially town and I think Mak is just almost always tow here and not something Im going to revisit soon

You're right, it is more risky there potential reasons, eg he chose a target that's very hard to justify from town Somi POV or he's worried about semi-clearing somebody and thinks Mak can exploit the semi-clear.


As far as Mak himself, given his stated views on no eliming, the no elim Gambit bothered me and randomly bringing up he's confirmed town, minus multi-ball, from somi targeting and subsequent defensiveness don't sit right with me. His social play does match up more with town-Mak hence the townlean I had, but I don't think it's out of his his scumrange.

I will fully admit that part of it is potentially being scared of him pocketing me again like last Halloween.

Regardless, this more me correcting, rather than asserting he's scum. Another piece of the puzzle that cuts against scum is his play at the beginning of D2 makes a lot more sense since his role revelation.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:09 am

Why'd you motivate Wam?

My only concern with Mak is his posting after the deadline. It seems like something scum!mak would do and that town!mak would not do.

gog today is going to be exhausting. I want to go back to bed. Fack