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Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:22 am

madge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:04 am got plenty of love to go around, are you gonna answer my question? check yes or no

Yes.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:27 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:45 am The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:48 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:26 am

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:23 am Is it that you made up a reason after being asked and didn't think it through fully?

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

See kids this is why you shouldn't gambit so much as scum. No one trusts you when you're town.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:41 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:48 am

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:26 am

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

See kids this is why you shouldn't gambit so much as scum. No one trusts you when you're town.

Do you usually gambit too?

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:33 pm Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:03 pm Wam : Pretty confident on Wam being town. Their entrance to the game was one of the townier post that striked me when reading up, just from a perspective approach, I dont see scum having those reads / nuance that were spicy and not doing much with them. And the more I think about it the repeated names are always more likely to come from a town that had a process and switched reads rather than a scum that legit can fake a perspective or doesnt proofread their own list and have 2 mistakes and is not able to fake and care about how their reads are being perceived (which is something always more important to scum rather than town). So yeah Wam is my most confident town and I'll fight for them if needed

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:55 am

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:43 am @Madge @Wam I don't have anything further I wish to claim (yes, I'm aware this just makes it further look like I'm gambiting). But Wam, you of all people know that I'm good.

Your also lying and whilst I don't always agree with it a lot of people have a elim all liers policy.

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:33 pm That's L-2, please hold

I'm waiting for an answer from the mod then I will post wams game winning solution. Or.some approximation of that.

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:10 pm Ebwop I have the answer I wanted from the mod so.im good to.go.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:34 pm Anyways i feel vindicated with Wam as my most confident town lets go

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:12 pm @Fred I’ve been thinking about it and I think it’s essential that we have your claim.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:54 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:03 pm Wam : Pretty confident on Wam being town. Their entrance to the game was one of the townier post that striked me when reading up, just from a perspective approach, I dont see scum having those reads / nuance that were spicy and not doing much with them. And the more I think about it the repeated names are always more likely to come from a town that had a process and switched reads rather than a scum that legit can fake a perspective or doesnt proofread their own list and have 2 mistakes and is not able to fake and care about how their reads are being perceived (which is something always more important to scum rather than town). So yeah Wam is my most confident town and I'll fight for them if needed

I'm having difficulty believing this pre Wam claim read.

I think it's more likely that you picked up that Wam was a PR from these posts on the pages prior:

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:55 am

Seven wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:43 am @Madge @Wam I don't have anything further I wish to claim (yes, I'm aware this just makes it further look like I'm gambiting). But Wam, you of all people know that I'm good.

Your also lying and whilst I don't always agree with it a lot of people have a elim all liers policy.

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:33 pm That's L-2, please hold

I'm waiting for an answer from the mod then I will post wams game winning solution. Or.some approximation of that.

Wam wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:10 pm Ebwop I have the answer I wanted from the mod so.im good to.go.

But you are constructing your read as if you didn't anticipate that and were basing the read on his content throughout the game:

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:34 pm Anyways i feel vindicated with Wam as my most confident town lets go

Seven wrote:1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:10 am

Seven wrote:1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

1. I already had wam as lean town before his claim, and who he says he investigated makes sense game-wise with him town (you due to read issues, Thea because they're influential), so I figure the claim puts him at +5
2. I don't think the game is complicated enough to have result manipulation roles. That type of power to me sounds like on the edge of bastardy. That being said, I think GF might be a possibility, but I'm going to do a naive look at it for question 4 and leave the other possibility for Cynical View.
3. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm am not good at picking up on these, so my opinion of them is going to be crap. I think the one by Madge not knowing if scum have daychat is more likely to be real. Fred's general confusion about rules seems to be more newer player than AI.

4. Here's what I have for PoE:
2. Wam - town
3. Bessie - ?
6. Madge - town
7. Seven - town
8. Theallieza - town
9. Santygrass- ?
10. Freddino18 - ?
11. moody7277 - town
12. JC_DADDY25 - ?

I'm also getting a creeping horror that Bessie might be scum, more than just the 3/4 chance that my PoE would suggest.

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:10 amI'm also getting a creeping horror that Bessie might be scum, more than just the 3/4 chance that my PoE would suggest.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:35 pm

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:27 am

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:45 am The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

Why did you only reply to this JC btw?

I think I have been kinda shadily poking at you and Im surprised that both:
* You havent adressed me
* Still maintain your vote on Seven despite what Wam claimed (and also ignored my ping suggesting that you should change your vote)

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:46 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:33 pm Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

@JC can you answer these when you have the chance?
@Moody could you also answer these and lay out what your PoE is post Wam's claim?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:47 am JC

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post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Here's where I left off last time with a rating of -0.5.

D1 rush
post 12: sad about Bessie's disappointment
post 13: wanted to ask wam about his reads post
post 14: correction to my interpretation about post 3, about who Fred wanted pinged
post 15: Glue votable
post 16: available for deadline
post 17: sus of Madge's lack of posting availability
post 18: promise of vote before deadline
post 19: votes heury
post 20: switches to Glue
post 21: doesn't like alternate wagon to Glue

D2
post 22: Wants to proxy for Mak, Seven votable
post 23: asking about cited post
post 24: Seven read independent of Glue flip
post 25: response to Fred about post 24

Normally I wouldn't be piqued by the metaphor, but with the flavor of this game...

post 26: response to Seven about Fred, says no connection with Glue, Seven still scummy
post 27: fluff
post 28: future meta spec
post 29: upset with Fred's lack of posting reads
post 30: Fred should post notes
post 31: wants bottom 3 from Seven
post 32: votes somi
post 33: somi vote based on Seven's bottom 3
post 34: somi subbing out
post 35: suggests Madge should vote

Still seems kind of go with the flow, and also a lot of focus on Fred.

D3
post 36: votes Seven
post 37: "because he's scum"
post 38: response to Santy wanting further explanation, says no point
post 39: j'accuse at Seven for NKing EGW
post 40: dismissive of Seven's claim
post 41: asks Madge about vig
post 42: solve is {Seven, Santy, Madge}
post 43: fluff
post 44: no gojoe
post 45: poke at Fred for wanting a sub
post 46: volunteers for Seven's solve, claims VT

bit of a gap here

post 47: Fred sus for not going through with D1 promise of reads
post 48: happy with vote
post 49: wam is town, results are wrong, townslips not real

Cynical view is saying JC and Fred are connected. I'm not entirely unconvinced of that, he's focused on Fred quite a lot while completely ignoring Thea and mentioning Madge only once. Rating -1, which means he's not the town among my 4 unknowns.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:26 am Moody how does your rating system work?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:47 am JC

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post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Here's where I left off last time with a rating of -0.5.

D1 rush
post 12: sad about Bessie's disappointment
post 13: wanted to ask wam about his reads post
post 14: correction to my interpretation about post 3, about who Fred wanted pinged
post 15: Glue votable
post 16: available for deadline
post 17: sus of Madge's lack of posting availability
post 18: promise of vote before deadline
post 19: votes heury
post 20: switches to Glue
post 21: doesn't like alternate wagon to Glue

D2
post 22: Wants to proxy for Mak, Seven votable
post 23: asking about cited post
post 24: Seven read independent of Glue flip
post 25: response to Fred about post 24

Normally I wouldn't be piqued by the metaphor, but with the flavor of this game...

post 26: response to Seven about Fred, says no connection with Glue, Seven still scummy
post 27: fluff
post 28: future meta spec
post 29: upset with Fred's lack of posting reads
post 30: Fred should post notes
post 31: wants bottom 3 from Seven
post 32: votes somi
post 33: somi vote based on Seven's bottom 3
post 34: somi subbing out
post 35: suggests Madge should vote

Still seems kind of go with the flow, and also a lot of focus on Fred.

D3
post 36: votes Seven
post 37: "because he's scum"
post 38: response to Santy wanting further explanation, says no point
post 39: j'accuse at Seven for NKing EGW
post 40: dismissive of Seven's claim
post 41: asks Madge about vig
post 42: solve is {Seven, Santy, Madge}
post 43: fluff
post 44: no gojoe
post 45: poke at Fred for wanting a sub
post 46: volunteers for Seven's solve, claims VT

bit of a gap here

post 47: Fred sus for not going through with D1 promise of reads
post 48: happy with vote
post 49: wam is town, results are wrong, townslips not real

Cynical view is saying JC and Fred are connected. I'm not entirely unconvinced of that, he's focused on Fred quite a lot while completely ignoring Thea and mentioning Madge only once. Rating -1, which means he's not the town among my 4 unknowns.